The Dark Knight Silence of the Lambs = Joker's Escape??

[Gotham]

Not me, my uncle was a police sergeant. Joker simply would not remain in police custody without processing, it's standard procedure. One of the first things they do is take your picture. Makeup OFF. Anything else rings false, and would hurt the movie.

Of course, Nolan and crew have an advantage over the guy who started this thread: Paid advisors who correct such mistakes.

So he was correct in the assumption you are an officer? Maybe not the exact position, but you have firm knowledge of the proper procedure.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Not me, my uncle was a police sergeant. Joker simply would not remain in police custody without processing, it's standard procedure. One of the first things they do is take your picture. Makeup OFF. Anything else rings false, and would hurt the movie.

Of course, Nolan and crew have an advantage over the guy who started this thread: Paid advisors who correct such mistakes.

but yet we have photographic evidence that the Joker does in fact have his makeup on when in police custody and is being "interrogated" by Batman.

of course this could be before they "process" him but one would think that is the first thing they do when they bring him into the police station. fingerprint him and take a mugshot.

then again it is a movie.

 

[JStorm]

It's comic book day; can't we all just get along.

 

[nedflanders]

Not me, my uncle was a police sergeant. Joker simply would not remain in police custody without processing, it's standard procedure. One of the first things they do is take your picture. Makeup OFF. Anything else rings false, and would hurt the movie.

Of course, Nolan and crew have an advantage over the guy who started this thread: Paid advisors who correct such mistakes.

Um..

Comic book movie.

Procedure in your particular geographic region isn't a big issue. nononono It's NOT! Hush...It really isn't.

This thread is sux anyway.

A story line that simple and stupid wouldn't even make it into a comic or cartoon let alone a huge movie.

PS: It's cliche not cliched. No such thing as cliched. Only cliche.

 

[Citadel30]

Back to a subject previously mentioned... I think that there have been clues already laid out that may point towards there being more than one "joker" in this movie.

remember guys- i am just brainstorming here- for purely amusement so dont take it to heart...

- at comic con, the "joker" was already apprehended and was presumed dead, killed by the mob- was this just a publicity stunt or will this be tied to the movie in some way?

- also at comic con, the theme was to be one of jokers gang by wearing makeup just like him, raising a flag IMO that maybe in the movie, his gang will try to wear makeup to "hide" him from batman and the cops

- if joker does get arrested and doesnt escape- imagine how Batman would react when someone, say the mayor for instance, gets killed by "joker" when he thought that joker was in prison.

does anyone else have any ideas on this?

 

[JStorm]

Back to a subject previously mentioned... I think that there have been clues already laid out that may point towards there being more than one "joker" in this movie.

remember guys- i am just brainstorming here- for purely amusement so dont take it to heart...

- at comic con, the "joker" was already apprehended and was presumed dead, killed by the mob- was this just a publicity stunt or will this be tied to the movie in some way?

- also at comic con, the theme was to be one of jokers gang by wearing makeup just like him, raising a flag IMO that maybe in the movie, his gang will try to wear makeup to "hide" him from batman and the cops

- if joker does get arrested and doesnt escape- imagine how Batman would react when someone, say the mayor for instance, gets killed by "joker" when he thought that joker was in prison.

does anyone else have any ideas on this?

I try not to over think any issue, because I ruined, for me, BB by over thinking issues and.. well.. reading the script.

But that is not important. What is important.. is.. I like where your heads at.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

PS: It's cliche not cliched. No such thing as cliched. Only cliche.

Wrong

clichéd is a derivative of cliché

cliché
noun clichés

• derog:
  1. A once striking and effective phrase or combination of words which has become stale and hackneyed through overuse.
  • Thesaurus: platitude, tag, banality, truism, bromide, chestnut.
  2a. An overused idea or image;
  2b. A stereotype.

Derivative: clichéd
adj
Etymology: 19c: French, meaning ‘a stereotype plate or stencil'.

 

[SentinelMind]

but yet we have photographic evidence that the Joker does in fact have his makeup on when in police custody and is being "interrogated" by Batman.

of course this could be before they "process" him but one would think that is the first thing they do when they bring him into the police station. fingerprint him and take a mugshot.

then again it is a movie.

Isn't it possible that the Joker is not wearing make-up in that scene? Maybe Joker's skin condition is not consistent all around his face, and that Joker applies some make up to make it consistent?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Actually... what if Heath isn't really the Joker at all?

Think about it. We're talking Nolan.

Heath is the Joker. I doubt Heath would sign on to a high profile role in order to be a fake Joker. After all the hype his performance has been receiving? No way.

If Nolan did that you'd have a lot of pissed off non-fans and fans.

 

[jtfaria]

but yet we have photographic evidence that the Joker does in fact have his makeup on when in police custody and is being "interrogated" by Batman.

of course this could be before they "process" him but one would think that is the first thing they do when they bring him into the police station. fingerprint him and take a mugshot.

then again it is a movie.

Yes, then again it is a movie, indeed. But Nolan does strive to color within the lines. My guess here is, if the Joker is indeed in police custody, they would not knowingly release him to a vigilante to do with as he wishes. Doing so would make the cops legally liable for whatever Batman does with the guy. That would be unacceptable even in a corrupt police force. Therefore, let's say the police have indeed captured Joker, but they "lose" him for a while on his way to processing. Maybe Gordon goes out on a limb and enables Batman to get hold of Joker before the formal process begins. Maybe Joker is ushered into a room where Gordon knows Batman is hiding, and Gordon tells the attending officers to go get some coffee. In fact, if it happened this way, it would have to be Gordon who did it, because it would have to be someone with some authority who was willing to work with the Batman.

Or maybe Batman is lying in wait in a police interrogation room and none of the cops know he is there. In which case, he barricades the room, energetically questions Joker, and then exits through some air duct, skylight, or something along those lines. That could be an interesting scene, Batman working the Joker over with the cops looking to bust in.

 

[Spidey 2007]

Yes, then again it is a movie, indeed. But Nolan does strive to color within the lines. My guess here is, if the Joker is indeed in police custody, they would not knowingly release him to a vigilante to do with as he wishes. Doing so would make the cops legally liable for whatever Batman does with the guy. That would be unacceptable even in a corrupt police force. Therefore, let's say the police have indeed captured Joker, but they "lose" him for a while on his way to processing. Maybe Gordon goes out on a limb and enables Batman to get hold of Joker before the formal process begins. Maybe Joker is ushered into a room where Gordon knows Batman is hiding, and Gordon tells the attending officers to go get some coffee. In fact, if it happened this way, it would have to be Gordon who did it, because it would have to be someone with some authority who was willing to work with the Batman.

Or maybe Batman is lying in wait in a police interrogation room and none of the cops know he is there. In which case, he barricades the room, energetically questions Joker, and then exits through some air duct, skylight, or something along those lines. That could be an interesting scene, Batman working the Joker over with the cops looking to bust in.

god...just thinking about a scene like ANY of that just gives me an orgasm. i cant wait for this movie!!

 

[JackBauer24]

I don't think any of us know what is really gonna happen - but I can just imagine Heath's Joker biting the prison guard's face off. That would be awesome.

 

[chitownballer]

but yet we have photographic evidence that the Joker does in fact have his makeup on when in police custody and is being "interrogated" by Batman.

of course this could be before they "process" him but one would think that is the first thing they do when they bring him into the police station. fingerprint him and take a mugshot.

then again it is a movie.

Yes it is a movie, one would also think that a man dressed up as a 6ft bat would not be allowed in a police interrogation room alone with a suspect

 

[sasquatchs]

Yes, then again it is a movie, indeed. But Nolan does strive to color within the lines. My guess here is, if the Joker is indeed in police custody, they would not knowingly release him to a vigilante to do with as he wishes. Doing so would make the cops legally liable for whatever Batman does with the guy. That would be unacceptable even in a corrupt police force. Therefore, let's say the police have indeed captured Joker, but they "lose" him for a while on his way to processing. Maybe Gordon goes out on a limb and enables Batman to get hold of Joker before the formal process begins. Maybe Joker is ushered into a room where Gordon knows Batman is hiding, and Gordon tells the attending officers to go get some coffee. In fact, if it happened this way, it would have to be Gordon who did it, because it would have to be someone with some authority who was willing to work with the Batman.

Or maybe Batman is lying in wait in a police interrogation room and none of the cops know he is there. In which case, he barricades the room, energetically questions Joker, and then exits through some air duct, skylight, or something along those lines. That could be an interesting scene, Batman working the Joker over with the cops looking to bust in.

From what people saw at Wizard World, 2 cops make a feeble attempt to stop him enter the room. Gordon rushes in later, so perhaps Batman comes unannounced. Interested to know what they think of Batman now, whether they realise he's working with Gordon yet. Would be nice to have the Henry Claridge death scene from TMWL, except with Loeb

 

[jimmy]

I'm telling you guys: It's probably a scene like in The Killing Joke. Batman goes to visit Joker: "I've been thinking. . . about you, about me. . . ".

Then finds out that it's not the real Joker.

 

[saint sinner x]

By all means, move this if it's out of place, inappropriate, or whatever (chances are, you will)... but here it goes.

We all know The Joker gets captured by the police, put in jail, and is interrogated by Batman. (have we not seen those pics floating around? Are you not in the spoiler forum?)

Anyway, we ALSO know that Joker ends up wearing a police uniform - which is an homage to Batman #1, Joker's first appearance.

Having said that, could Joker's "escape" be a tribute to Hannibal Lecter's escape in The Silence of the Lambs?

Quick play-by-play:

- Joker is in jail.
- Cop comes in (to give him a meal, or whatever).
- Joker attacks him.
- He switches clothes.
- He removes his make-up.
- He walks out of jail as a cop.
- The real cop remains in the cell, unconsious until someone discovers him.

I think this is rather plausible, and it would look uber-cool on screen.

Thoughts?

You talk with conviction as if your so certain it will happened. However, I wouldn't doubted, Nolan is not original at all, I mean he made rachel dawes take out scarecrow with a taser, come on man that was lame as hell. It sounds to simple for the joker, if the joker gets caught is because he wanted to get caught, remember he's highly smart and dangerous two deadly combination.

 

[sasquatchs]

How was the female protagonist easily defeating the villain unoriginal? Was one of the few novel ideas in a derivative 3rd act

 

[SpHinX]

How about the Joker gets arrested, reveals his plot to destroy Gotham or whatever... Or maybe he even reveals that he's placed explosives on board the ferries, and if he isn't released from jail, he'll go through with his plan.... Something along those lines?

 

[saint sinner x]

How was the female protagonist easily defeating the villain unoriginal? Was one of the few novel ideas in a derivative 3rd act

It was highly unoriginal and boring to see as well. It's called batman begins not reign of rachel dawes, have batman take out both villains. People think scarecrow is a little punk now. I hope they take him out with struggle, as for what I hear is that the joker will kill scarecrow from a bad drug deal gone wrong. I see it this way, joker gets caught because he wanted to, he test batman psychologically, and as for his escape? well he has a crew right? So, i'm assuming his crew breaks in a theatrical way and let's him loose. Joker in this movie will know what he's doing and will have no sympathy or hesitation. Honestly, I can't wait for this film, and the news are being slow nowadays but what I can't really wait for is the first theatrical trailer which is only 45 days or less, and trust me 45 days pass by quikly especialy with these holidays and so on. WB better take notice, that the trailer is what makes people go to the movies, well the general audience. They better have an epic trailer, and I suppose we'll get to see the joker in the first trailer due to the fact of "see you in december". Don't worry people time will only continue to move forward, 2008 is the year of the bat, and 2008 is less then 4 months away. Patience is a virtue....

 

[jtfaria]

From what people saw at Wizard World, 2 cops make a feeble attempt to stop him enter the room. Gordon rushes in later, so perhaps Batman comes unannounced. Interested to know what they think of Batman now, whether they realise he's working with Gordon yet. Would be nice to have the Henry Claridge death scene from TMWL, except with Loeb

Sure, this could happen - Batman forces, or "forces", his way into the room past the cops (or throws them out) and bars the door so he is alone with the Joker. In those pics of Batman alone with Joker that were accidentally released by WB, I noticed a chair jammed into the door to keep it shut. Like Sasquatchs, I wonder if the cops at this point are deliberately looking the other way so that Batman can interrogate Joker in a way they cannot. The can claim they could not get in the room to stop the vigilante, the door was blocked and so on. Their cop butts are covered.

Thanks for that insight. I think you're right, I think it goes down like that.

 

[jtfaria]

It's called batman begins not reign of rachel dawes

And yet one wonders why, since 'Reign of Rachel Dawes' seems like a surefire winner. Well, if she takes off her clothes, anyway. She's actually quite a babe, though Begins had no real use for her babealocity.

 

[saint sinner x]

And yet one wonders why, since 'Reign of Rachel Dawes' seems like a surefire winner. Well, if she takes off her clothes, anyway. She's actually quite a babe, though Begins had no real use for her babealocity.

Indeed she is quite the babe, she has a cute face and some nice small melons, however she serve no purpose to the batman legend, and I really really hope after joker stabbs her brooklyn style, he throws her off a 20 story building and start laughing like the homicidal maniac that he is. I also hope while she's falling in the air the joker shoots her just to make sure she's dead.

 

[saint sinner x]

Hell if joker does that, I'll start laughing with him. My most anticipated scene is the death of rachel dawes. It should of been katie holmes, but I guess maggie gylanhal will have to do.

 

[super17]

Quick n00b question....what did Nolan say in Batman Begins concerning one of the actors. Did he announce some one else would play as Batman but then it turned out to acually be Bale once people saw it in the movie?

 

[sad lieutenant]

Actually... what if Heath isn't really the Joker at all?

Think about it. We're talking Nolan.

Hmm... I can't wait until this movie comes out, if only to see this theory die once and for all. TDK will be clever enough with this nonsense.