Since DCEU copies MCU as much as they can,will they do a black lead like Blk Panther?

[Zarex]

DC's problem is that they don't have a black lead like Marvel does with T'Challa. John Stewart is one of a team of several. Bronze Tiger isn't a good guy. Static, as enjoyable as he may be, is a Spider-Man derivative.

Marvel has a similar problem in that they didn't have a female lead anywhere near the stature of Wondy (or, to be honest, Supergirl, Batgirl or Harley Quinn). They've spent the last few years building up Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel as their female lead and DC may need to put a similar effort to pump up a lower profile character like Mr. Terrific.

 

[The Guard]

I have never given a damn about Cyborg. He's always seemed like a second banana. I don't expect that him having a solo film will change my perception of him. It might.

DC's problem is that they don't have a black lead like Marvel does with T'Challa. John Stewart is one of a team of several. Bronze Tiger isn't a good guy. Static, as enjoyable as he may be, is a Spider-Man derivative.

John Henry Irons/Steel is generally a pretty fantastic character. Except in the movie STEEL...

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yes. He's currently a member of the Teen Titans and was used in the Deathstroke book to great effect.

Thanks.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

John Henry Irons/Steel is generally a pretty fantastic character. Except in the movie STEEL...

God, I thought that movie was dreadful.

 

[Patchwork Man]

So now DC is trying to get Michael Bay to do a Lobo movie as a 'response' (aka copying marvel again) to Deadpool ?!?!?

Sure. While they're filming their "female Superman" (Captain Marvel) movie, and have announced the Black Widow movie that failed to cause much of a stir.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman 2 will be out in late 2019 and everyone's going to go see it.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Sure. While they're filming their "female Superman" (Captain Marvel) movie, and have announced the Black Widow movie that failed to cause much of a stir.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman 2 will be out in late 2019 and everyone's going to go see it.

Wow, I'd even forgotten that had been announced.

 

[semper]

Marvel has a similar problem in that they didn't have a female lead anywhere near the stature of Wondy (or, to be honest, Supergirl, Batgirl or Harley Quinn). They've spent the last few years building up Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel as their female lead and DC may need to put a similar effort to pump up a lower profile character like Mr. Terrific.

I disagree about Marvel not having iconic female characters. Storm is iconic as hell, from the comics and cartoon. She was just horrifically misused and cast (twice) by Bryan Singer in the movies. She's relegated to a third fiddle X-Man in the Singer films, when in the comics, she's one of the most respected women in the Marvel universe. Hopefully, when Marvel get the X-Men back, Storm is restored to her rightful prominence. She can carry a solo movie if they wanted (imagine Storm being the link between the X-Men and Black Panther worlds. Could be big).

Elektra is pretty damned iconic and popular enough to carry a movie, but Daredevil being Netflix, she can't really be used in the films. Jessica Jones is big now as well. If Jessica Jones can carry a hugely popular Netflix show as well, I think she could carry a movie.

Most of DC's "iconic" female leads are just knock-offs of their most iconic male characters (Supergirl, Batgirl etc). Marvel has those too. She-Hulk, Spider-Woman etc.

 

[semper]

I have never given a damn about Cyborg. He's always seemed like a second banana. I don't expect that him having a solo film will change my perception of him. It might.

DC's problem is that they don't have a black lead like Marvel does with T'Challa. John Stewart is one of a team of several. Bronze Tiger isn't a good guy. Static, as enjoyable as he may be, is a Spider-Man derivative.

Bronze Tiger has mostly been a clear cut good guy since the original Suicide Squad series from 1987. Along with Rick Flag, Bronze Tiger is the one tasked with keeping the amoral psychopaths like Deadshot and Boomerang in line. He's not one one them. He was even a member of a Justice League team.

Even when he was a "villain", it was always due to being brainwashed by the League Of Assasins.

If anything, Bronze Tiger is an anti-hero very similar to Wolverine. Wolverine could also be considered a villain when he was a brainwashed killer as Weapon X. But when he's in control of his own mind, he's an honorable guy. Like Bronze Tiger.

Bronze Tiger could actually be an incredible movie lead/hero with his fascinating backstory. i don't trust the DCEU to him justice though. He was already lazily cast as a one-dimensional bad guy in the Arrow show.

 

[2kt09]

Bronze Tiger has mostly been a clear cut good guy since the original Suicide Squad series from 1987. Along with Rick Flag, Bronze Tiger is the one tasked with keeping the amoral psychopaths like Deadshot and Boomerang in line. He's not one one them.

Even when he was a "villain", it was always due to being brainwashed by the League Of Assasins.

If anything, Bronze Tiger is an anti-hero very similar to Wolverine. Wolverine could also be considered a villain when he was a brainwashed killer as Weapon X. But when he's in control of his own mind, he's an honorable guy. Like Bronze Tiger.

Bronze Tiger could actually be an incredible movie lead/hero with his fascinating backstory. i don't trust the DCEU to him justice though. He was already lazily cast as a one-dimensional bad guy in the Arrow show.

He's made redundant by Will's Deadshot.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I disagree about Marvel not having iconic female characters. Storm is iconic as hell, from the comics and cartoon. She was just horrifically misused and cast (twice) by Bryan Singer in the movies. She's relegated to a third fiddle X-Man in the Singer films, when in the comics, she's one of the most respected women in the Marvel universe. Hopefully, when Marvel get the X-Men back, Storm is restored to her rightful prominence. She can carry a solo movie if they wanted (imagine Storm being the link between the X-Men and Black Panther worlds. Could be big).

I was hoping for an X-Men Origins: Storm movie way back. I loved that character.

 

[semper]

He's made redundant by Will's Deadshot.

That's ridiculous. Because they are both black? That line of thinking needs to end. You don't need a "token" black character and all the rest are white guys and some girls. Black Panther being a mostly black cast, with even a black main villain is poised to be huge.

Deadshot and Bronze Tiger have completely different personalities and motivations. Their skillsets are different. Deadshot is a decent fighter, but a world class marksman. Bronze Tiger is arguably the world's best martial artist. The dynamic between Bronze Tiger and Deadshot in the comics was tense and great. No reason why they couldn't co-exist on film, even in the same film. Having two black male alphas in a team would be something different.

 

[semper]

I was hoping for an X-Men Origins: Storm movie way back. I loved that character.

I get the impression Bryan Singer never cared much for black or minority characters. X-Men was pretty multi-ethnic in the comics in the Claremont era and beyond. Singer preferred his twinks and white people. Even better if you were a white twink. Storm felt like she was only there so the fans wouldn't kick up a stink. Her ending up third fiddle to Mystique in the films was a disgrace.

In Singer's X-verse, no character of color was given a prominent status. I knew things were bad when Bishop, the most prominent black male X-Man (who has even carried his own title) was cast as a throwaway character in Days Of Future Past, with an actor who could barely speak any English (Omar Sy).

Jubilee and Psylocke might as well have been extras.

 

[Patchwork Man]

"Even better if you were a white twink."

 

[2kt09]

That's ridiculous. Because they are both black? That line of thinking needs to end. You don't need a "token" black character and all the rest are white guys and some girls. Black Panther being a mostly black cast, with even a black main villain is poised to be huge.

Deadshot and Bronze Tiger have completely different personalities and motivations. Their skillsets are different. Deadshot is a decent fighter, but a world class marksman. Bronze Tiger is arguably the world's best martial artist. The dynamic between Bronze Tiger and Deadshot in the comics was tense and great. No reason why they couldn't co-exist on film, even in the same film. Having two black male alphas in a team would be something different.

But not completely different archetypes based on what you wrote. Everyone seemed pretty ecstatic on who Common was going to play, Tattooed Man or Bronze Tiger. I say throw in some other more refreshing black DC character to the roster if you want legit diversity. Put Bronze Tiger on a "rival team"

 

[RomanticPenguin]

people still say twink?

 

[Rorschach2012]

people still say twink?

Damn I didn’t know that was an offensive term now. Not trying to trivialize the current social climate, but it is admittedly hard to keep up.

I think this thread is actually hitting on some really important issues. It seems most of us agree that Cyborg WASN’T the right choice to be the primary representation for black people in the DCU.

Hindsight is always 20/20. When the New 52 was first announced, I still had suh a hard-on from Johns’ FANTASTIC run on Green Lantern which prominently featured Hal Jordan. So naturally I wanted him to be the lead GL for the DCU. But looking back, that role should’ve been given to John. He is pretty much the best black hero that DC has.

It should’ve been John in the Justice League movie instead of Cyborg. Cyborg really is best on the Titans.

Static is so tricky. I LOVE him with the Titans, but he’s such a rich character with so much going on in his world, that he would really thrive on the Justice League. His age is an issue though and I don’t really know how I feel about the sole black member of the team being portrayed as a rookie.

John really is the natural fit for the team. I really would like to see an initiative from DC to place John at the forefront. He really does deserve it.

I’ve been such a Hal fanboy for so long that it kind of blinded me. John deserves more representation across DC media and I wouldn’t mind at all if John became the main GL in all DC media.

My idea for a GL movie series would place John in the lead role, with Hal succumbing to Parallax. Maybe it really is time to give John a chance.

If DC is looking to shake things up and establish a new black lead character, then it should clearly be John.

Cyborg just isn’t a strong enough character to hold that responsibility of representation for black heroes in the DCU. I know that wasn’t necessarily what his role is by being placed on the Justice League, but it’s an implication.

People think that DC doesn’t have their own Black Panther but they do. If they invest more of their resources into establish John as the primary GL, he could become a premiere hero in the DCU.

 

[MbJ]

If DC is looking to shake things up and establish a new black lead character, then it should clearly be John.

Cyborg just isn’t a strong enough character to hold that responsibility of representation for black heroes in the DCU. I know that wasn’t necessarily what his role is by being placed on the Justice League, but it’s an implication.

I think they were definitely hoping for something like that, but I don't think they ever seriously planned to have a Cyborg flick.

People think that DC doesn’t have their own Black Panther but they do. If they invest more of their resources into establish John as the primary GL, he could become a premiere hero in the DCU.

It still boggles the mind on how badly DC and WB dropped the ball with John after Justice League. He was one of the leads of a huge TV series and then they did nothing to capitalize on it.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

not even saying it's offensive

 

[LTuser]

Cyborg will be DCEU's answer to Black Panther ?

I think DCEU / WB copies Marvel blue print when they see Marvel making all the money. If Black Panther is financially successful and all the great press, you guys think DCEU will once again copy Marvel and do 'their version' of a black lead with their only black hero - Cyborg ?

In a way they already are, with Black lightning..

And I don't see another Steel movie coming.

I didn't mind it, but it was no where near a good film.. Just "ok"..

Marvel has a similar problem in that they didn't have a female lead anywhere near the stature of Wondy (or, to be honest, Supergirl, Batgirl or Harley Quinn). They've spent the last few years building up Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel as their female lead and DC may need to put a similar effort to pump up a lower profile character like Mr. Terrific.

Black widow should imo fill their "lead woman" film spot..

 

[Juan1193]

Marvel has a similar problem in that they didn't have a female lead anywhere near the stature of Wondy (or, to be honest, Supergirl, Batgirl or Harley Quinn). They've spent the last few years building up Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel as their female lead and DC may need to put a similar effort to pump up a lower profile character like Mr. Terrific.

Female Heroes: DC
Black Heroes: Marvel
Hispanic Heroes: DC
Asian Heroes: Tie, both suck
Arab Heroes: Marvel
Native Heroes: Marvel, because of the X-Men

That's the way I see it.

 

[InfinityWar]

Female Heroes: DC
Black Heroes: Marvel
Hispanic Heroes: DC
Asian Heroes: Tie, both suck
Arab Heroes: Marvel
Native Heroes: Marvel, because of the X-Men

That's the way I see it.

Who is hispanic in DC ? Michael Pena is in Ant-Man.

 

[brandeezy89]

Who is hispanic in DC ? Michael Pena is in Ant-Man.

He's taking comics wise

 

[The Batman]

DC's problem is that they don't have a black lead like Marvel does with T'Challa. John Stewart is one of a team of several.

That's another reason why I feel John is such an overrated option. The man's never been much of a lead character. A lot of people are saying that John should be main GL based off a cartoon where he shared the spotlight with 6 other lead characters. Green Lantern Mosaic has been mentioned, but that comic only lasted 18 issues, and I can't recall any time where John's been the lead and been successful at it.

If you really want to use the GL franchise to promote diversity, use Kyle. We've yet to see a big CBM with a hispanic lead, and he's the only other GL to truly carry the franchise the way Alan or Hal did.

 

[semper]

That's another reason why I feel John is such an overrated option. The man's never been much of a lead character. A lot of people are saying that John should be main GL based off a cartoon where he shared the spotlight with 6 other lead characters. Green Lantern Mosaic has been mentioned, but that comic only lasted 18 issues, and I can't recall any time where John's been the lead and been successful at it.

If you really want to use the GL franchise to promote diversity, use Kyle. We've yet to see a big CBM with a hispanic lead, and he's the only other GL to truly carry the franchise the way Alan or Hal did.

John succesfully carried the Green Lantern title for 2 years (1984 to 1986), during a period where Hal Jordan left the Green Lantern Corps. John became the lead Green Lantern for that period, and it was a pretty excellent run.

Anyone can carry the Green Lantern franchise, as long as they wear the ring. It's entirely down to the writers and editorial. Hal Jordan only has prominence today because Geoff Johns has a major ***** for him.

 

[Juan1193]

Who is hispanic in DC ? Michael Pena is in Ant-Man.

I was more so talking the comics, but in terms of the movies there's El Diablo (Jay Hernandez), and Pedro Peña (Jovan Armand).

That's another reason why I feel John is such an overrated option. The man's never been much of a lead character. A lot of people are saying that John should be main GL based off a cartoon where he shared the spotlight with 6 other lead characters. Green Lantern Mosaic has been mentioned, but that comic only lasted 18 issues, and I can't recall any time where John's been the lead and been successful at it.

If you really want to use the GL franchise to promote diversity, use Kyle. We've yet to see a big CBM with a hispanic lead, and he's the only other GL to truly carry the franchise the way Alan or Hal did.

To be fair I wouldn't be so quick to consider Kyle a Hispanic character, at least not in the same way Jaime, Cisco, or Jessica are. The latter were all created as superheroes of Hispanic descent, while Kyle was created as a White Irish character until a replacement writer revealed that his father was Mexican, 100+ issues into the series. Suffice to say, a lot of fans out there still consider him White.

Also John led the GL title in the late 80's, Mosaic in the 90's, and GLC during the New 52. The gaps in time are only because Geoff was biased and had a hard on for the silver age, where Hal was the only Lantern, hence he got all the development.