Smoking bans: Good or Bad?

[Kritish]

No, it's not "just" legal suicide. It's also extremely pleasurable for the addict, just like all-you-can-eat buffets are for obese gluttons.

Heroine is pleasurable for the addict, but it turns there liver to slime and fries there brain. And it was once legal too.

 

[Calvin]

The smoking ban is good,since Smoking is just a legal way of killing yourself.Pay to have lung cancer,liver cancer,throat cancer,yellow teeth,bad breath and the nagging cough.

So is drinking, eating fatty foods, too much sugar, etc. Let's ban those too.

 

[Kritish]

So is drinking, eating fatty foods, too much sugar, etc. Let's ban those too.

Drinking in moderation has been proved to be good for one's health.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

No, it's not "just" legal suicide. It's also extremely pleasurable for the addict, just like all-you-can-eat buffets are for obese gluttons.

The problem with banning all-you-can-eat buffets is that person could very well have a lifestyle where that many calories is completely fine. It's most likely not the case, but still within the realm of possibility. I don't think there is a lifestyle where knowingly placing toxins and other harmful substances in you is a good thing.

 

[Strange]

No, it's not "just" legal suicide. It's also extremely pleasurable for the addict, just like all-you-can-eat buffets are for obese gluttons.

It's obvious that smokers don't want the ban and people who don't smoke want it. My point is that a obese glutton doesn't bother me as much as smoke. When I'm at a restaurant eating I always ask for the non smoking section. Sometimes the smoke still tavels over and I hate smell and its not good for your lungs. If we want to compare smoking to obese gluttons then it would be like sitting in a restaurant and an obese fat person comes over and pees on your table while your eating. Believe me smoking bothers some people, including me, just as much as a fat guy peeing on my table while I eat.

 

[Calvin]

Drinking in moderation has been proved to be good for one's health.

Nothing in moderation is going to really hurt you. Alcohol is very mentally addictive, as is eating junk food. If we're going to ban things that are addictive, and very detrimental to health when not done in strict moderation, ban them all. Or better yet, don't ban any of them.

 

[Calvin]

The problem with banning all-you-can-eat buffets is that person could very well have a lifestyle where that many calories is completely fine. It's most likely not the case, but still within the realm of possibility. I don't think there is a lifestyle where knowingly placing toxins and other harmful substances in you is a good thing.

Europe.

 

[Kritish]

Obese people don't hurt anyone else when they eat.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

As Strange has pointed out, obese gluttons harm no one but themselves and disturb no one but shallow individuals whom shouldn't be taken seriously anyway.

 

[Calvin]

Obese people don't hurt anyone else when they eat.

Ever been stuck on a bus with them? Or a plane? They're hot and smelly and gross and smush into your personal space. It's very very disgusting. Besides, if we have designated smoking sections, then smoking wouldn't really bother anyone else either. Sure, people might not stick to those sections, but likewise some people don't stick to the rules of the road, but we don't ban driving because of a few bad apples.

 

[Kritish]

I've never heard of a obese person mugging someone for candy bar money.

 

[Calvin]

I've never heard of a obese person mugging someone for candy bar money.

Nor cigarette money. A cheap pack of smokes is usually about a dollar and a half more than candy bars these days. Fat people rarely stop at one, either. You ban smoking completely, then it's illegal prices, and jacked up, and then you'll get muggings for it.

 

[Strange]

I've never heard of a obese person mugging someone for candy bar money.

That's because if they tried the person would just out run them.

 

[Strange]

Nor cigarette money. A cheap pack of smokes is usually about a dollar and a half more than candy bars these days.

There have been a lot of gas stations robbed for cigarettes but that was obviously so they could be resold on the streets.

 

[Kritish]

Nor cigarette money.

You obviously haven't seen any homeless people.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

My point is not that buffets are analogous.
My point is that people are free to give themselves over to their pleasures even to the point of self-destruction.

As I said on the first page, if ANY drug is illegal, then cigarettes should be. But, if they remain legal, then a person who has devoted his time and energy to building a business should have the right to say "I want my establishment to be a haven for smokers. If people don't like smoke, then they shouldn't come here."

Again, I know because I'm a smoker, most places do not allow smoking. There were only a handful of places that did before the ban here. I was always shocked to find one, it almost felt dirty because of the conditioning.

If you hate smoke, then don't go to a smoking establishment. What the f*** is so hard about that?

I hate Dave Mathews, so guess what, I don't go to Dave Mathews concerts.
I hate sports, so guess what, I don't go to games.
I hate Ethiopean food, so I don't go to Ethiopean restaurants.

I'm against facsism. I don't force you to come to my bar where all the regulars want to smoke inside, but you want to force me to do what you want.

 

[Calvin]

There have been a lot of gas stations robbed for cigarettes but that was obviously so they could be resold on the streets.

I know how to fix that. Get rid of the age limit

 

[Kritish]

I know how to fix that. Get rid of the age limit

We really don't need six year olds with lung cancer.

 

[Calvin]

We really don't need six year olds with lung cancer.

I always offer cigarettes to little kids.

 

[Kritish]

I always offer cigarettes to little kids.

I bet you do.

 

[Calvin]

I bet you do.

You'd win that bet.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It's obvious that smokers don't want the ban and people who don't smoke want it.

You are wrong. I've actually read many articles by Libertarian non-smokers who find it disgusting but argue quite elegantly for the truth, that it isn't any of your business, that no one's forcing you to go to places that allow smoking, but you want to force people not to allow it on their own property. That's wrong.

I'm all for the "can't smoke within 25 feet of an entrance or exit" thing, because that IS forcing people to endure unwanted smoke, when it's in public.

I'm talking about a bar or a casino that chooses to cater to smokers and makes the decision to sacrifice any profits that would've come from smoke-haters.

 

[Calvin]

You are wrong. I've actually read many articles by Libertarian non-smokers who find it disgusting but argue quite elegantly for the truth, that it isn't any of your business, that no one's forcing you to go to places that allow smoking, but you want to force people not to allow it on their own property. That's wrong.

I'm all for the "can't smoke within 25 feet of an entrance or exit" thing, because that IS forcing people to endure unwanted smoke, when it's in public.

I'm talking about a bar or a casino that chooses to cater to smokers and makes the decision to sacrifice any profits that would've come from smoke-haters.

Not just libertarians either, I know a LOT of liberal, and even several conservative (though granted I don't hang out with as many of those) non-smokers who find the notion of taking the choice away from establishment owners to be oppressive.

 

[Strange]

If you hate smoke, then don't go to a smoking establishment. What the f*** is so hard about that?

I hate Dave Mathews, so guess what, I don't go to Dave Mathews concerts.
I hate sports, so guess what, I don't go to games.
I hate Ethiopean food, so I don't go to Ethiopean restaurants.

I'm against facsism. I don't force you to come to my bar where all the regulars want to smoke inside, but you want to force me to do what you want.

I really hate this kind of thinking. I know you smoke and you want the right to smoke anywhere you want but it does affect other people. So now if I'm out of town or something and I want to go eat somewhere I should check to see if smoking is allowed or not? I don't go to cigar shops or smoke shops because I don't smoke, but I do go to places like restaurants where people smoke, and I alway go to the non smoking section. The ban is for public places, I should have the right to go to a public place without being assaulted by someone elses bad habit.

 

[Calvin]

I really hate this kind of thinking. I know you smoke and you want the right to smoke anywhere you want

Not what he said.