Snikt! Wolverine's Box Office Predictions

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I think that it's opening will be too large for it to end with 115mil.

If Fast and Furious can open with 71mil I don't see why this movie wouldn't? They are both 4th movies in well liked franchises.
 
Do you take everything litterally BMM?

No superman wasn't in black leather but he was in darker colors and the movie looked dark and was kinda depressing. And it did have that realism/grounded feeling about it.

I didn't take it literally, nor did I think you would take my example quite so literally. It wasn't meant to be. I've taken the darker color pallet of Returns into account. My point is that Superman isn't grounded in the same way the X-Men are with their uniforms or in the same way a character like Rogue is with her powers. With better editing, a supervillain, a superfight, and possibly ditching the kid, I don't think general audiences would care if the movie looked or felt darker.

I'm not going to argue about why SR failed on here, I will be happy to, yet again, discuss it with you on the Superman boards though.:)

As long as the likes of buggs, phil, or lexlives are gone... Kidding aside, I think I've said my piece. :)
 
I'm guessing between 200-230M but I wouldn't be surprised if it makes it past 300M because:
1) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
5) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
6) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
7) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
8) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
9) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.
10) It's the first big movie to open, and people are really wanting to be entertained.

Yeah, and in the succeeding weeks it'll be:

Star Trek (which has 10 movies behind it)
Angels & Demons (A sequel to a very successful series of books and film)
Night at the Museum 2 (again, another sequel to a successful film)
Terminator Salvation (AGAIN 3 movies behind it)
and UP (its freakin' PIXAR!).

**THESE ARE ALL IN MAY!

Wolverine will be the option for entertainment that week but clearly as the weeks go by, the picks for the general audience will become more wide.

I predict something in the mid 150s to low 170s tops (and I promise you it wont get near 300 mil)

I just don't see it having strong legs with all the competition.
 
May is packed with potential blockbusters. Moreover, X-Men Origins, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation will all be vying for very similar, if not the same, demographics.
 
I think that it's opening will be too large for it to end with 115mil.

If Fast and Furious can open with 71mil I don't see why this movie wouldn't? They are both 4th movies in well liked franchises.

GREAT example.

Not only did Fast and Furious make too much money on opening weekend, but the Fast and The Furious franchise is commercially and critically inferior to the X-Men franchise.

Wolverine has a very strong (90%) chance of making serious cash on its first weekend.

I think anybody that feels it'll bring in any less than $250 Million overall, just doesnt want it to do well.

But by the looks of things - it will
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I don't think that's the case. I think they're just not overestimating. This franchise's previous numbers support the idea that this film is more likely to make less than $250 million rather than more than $250 million.
 
Peter I love your %s. lol....anyways...
Yes May will bring in a lot of money for the movie business...and hopefully help us out of this frickin depression. X-men Wolverine will make a lot of money. Fast and Furious is a great example that people are wanting to go to the theater.
 
Peter I love your %s. lol....anyways...
Yes May will bring in a lot of money for the movie business...and hopefully help us out of this frickin depression. X-men Wolverine will make a lot of money. Fast and Furious is a great example that people are wanting to go to the theater.

There's a 72% chance that I might go see WATCHMEN again, and a 47% chance that I'll vacuum my apartment tomorrow, and a 93% chance that I'll predict Wolverine's chance of reaching $250 Million will be 98% if the movie makes $95 Million at the box office which I think is 90% possible.
 
GREAT example.

Not only did Fast and Furious make too much money on opening weekend, but the Fast and The Furious franchise is commercially and critically inferior to the X-Men franchise.

Wolverine has a very strong (90%) chance of making serious cash on its first weekend.

I think anybody that feels it'll bring in any less than $250 Million overall, just doesnt want it to do well.

But by the looks of things - it will
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I don't see 250mil...sorry. Even if it opens with 100mil I still don't see it.
 
X2 was a lot better then X3, and X3 made a lot more money. So what that means is if X3 is a lot better then Wolverine, then Wolverine will make a lot more money :)

Ah, I love how this world works.
 
http://adage.com/madisonandvine/article?article_id=136024

Are Box-Office Fates of 'Star Trek,' 'Wolverine' Already Written?

Fox's 'X-Men' Marketing Strategy May Give It Twice the Numbers of Rival Paramount Film
by Claude Brodesser-Akner and Andrew Hampp
Published: April 16, 2009

LOS ANGELES (AdAge.com) -- The first two blockbusters of the summer, Paramount Pictures' "Star Trek" and 20th Century Fox's "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," both involve massive marketing efforts by Hollywood studios desperate to re-energize venerable -- and valuable -- film franchises. Fox's three "X-Men" films have taken in more than $1.16 billion globally, while Paramount's 10 "Star Trek" features have beamed up three-quarters of a billion in worldwide grosses.

With 'Wolverine,' Fox may have clawed its way to an early lead by not making a direct play to its comic-book-loving 'fanboy' base.

But the two studios have so far taken markedly different approaches with their campaigns -- strategies that forecasters indicate have already shaped the films' fates at the box office.


  • Closely held box-office-tracking data from Marketcast obtained by Advertising Age show that with just two weeks before its debut in theaters, "Wolverine" is headed for a massive $100 million opening weekend on May 1, while Paramount's "Star Trek" is on track to gross half that amount when it opens a week later.
  • "Wolverine" also enjoys a 20-percentage-point lead among women under 24: 38% expressed a "definite interest" in seeing Hugh Jackman on the big screen, while only 18% of young women expressed a "definite interest" in seeing "Star Trek."
  • According to Nielsen NRG data supplied to Ad Age, 24% of all moviegoers familiar with the Marvel Comics adaptation say "Wolverine" is their current "first choice" film to see -- a stunning number for a film you can't even buy a ticket for yet (though it already leaked online).
How did "Wolverine" claw its way to such a commanding early lead? By not making a direct play to its comic-book-loving "fanboy" base.

Fox was careful to introduce "Wolverine" to those unfamiliar with the character via a contiguous, three-part trailer that aired on highly rated Fox TV shows in February, then embarked on a broad-based promotion of its superhero and his iconic weapons -- retractable metallic claws -- to mainstream audiences.

"If you really want to become part of the culture and make people feel like this is a must-see event, it should be fun and clever," said Michelle Marks, Fox's senior VP-media promotions and theatrical marketing.

This weekend, for example, "Wolverine" will be promoted heavily on TNT's coverage of the NBA playoffs, with "Inside the NBA" commentator Charles Barkley sporting the claws in the studio this weekend. Meanwhile, on an April 13 episode of CBS's "How I Met Your Mother" the characters sparred with toy "Wolverine" claws, and in a custom promo for this week's episode of "The Real Housewives of New York City" (of all places), the women make inventive use of the phrase "The claws come out."

While Fox has also struck promotional partnerships with 7-Eleven, Schick, Papa John's pizza and the California Milk Processor Board's ubiquitous milk-moustache campaign, the in-programming push for "Wolverine" is just as crucial.

"That's what we've been striving for -- integration vs. interruption," Ms. Marks said. "It's always been our goal to make [our marketing] feel more like content."

Trekkies not enough

Paramount, by comparison, elected to focus its early efforts on re-energizing the older, core "Trekkie" fanbase before firing up a more mainstream effort aimed at convincing younger moviegoers that "This is not your father's 'Star Trek,'" as its current TV ad campaign says. It made substantial media buys in sci-fi-themed TV shows such as NBC's "Heroes" and ABC Family's "Kyle XY" in early March. Last week, the studio surprised geeks at Harry Knowles' Austin, Texas, film festival with a full screening of "Star Trek," a marketing coup that helped build largely positive online buzz.
But 43 years of Trekkies alone won't be enough to recoup on a $160 million CGI extravaganza, even as Paramount partners with Burger King, Lenovo, Kellogg, Nokia and Esurance to help it market the film.

"There's a core fan base that you have to cater to," said Katie Martin Kelley, a spokeswoman for Paramount. "But with a reboot, you have an opportunity to wipe the slate clean."

Still, the studio will quickly need to win a lot of hearts and change a lot of minds: According to Marketcast, 63% of moviegoers surveyed were aware of "Star Trek" vs. 80% who claimed awareness of "Wolverine." Nearly half of those aware of "Wolverine" expressed "definite interest" in seeing the film vs. only 33% of those familiar with "Trek."

Connecting with teens

Ms. Martin Kelley said the studio knows it must connect with teens who are too young to remember the last "Star Trek" film in 2002 -- or who weren't even born when James Tiberius Kirk last commanded the USS Enterprise in 1991. (It's worth noting that the expected $50 million opening haul for "Star Trek" would be a lift from the total box office of the last film in the franchise, "Star Trek: Nemesis," which grossed only $43.1 million in 2002-2003.) Paramount is prepping a promo blitz across MTV Networks, the studio's corporate sibling under Viacom, to help give it access to the 16-to-34 crowd that populates networks such as MTV, Comedy Central and Spike.

"For the first time, it has characters that are totally relatable to the MTV audience," said John Shea, MTV's exec VP-integrated marketing. "Even though we've known the characters for so long, they're [now] basically young adults facing choices and the angst of growing up."

Paramount elected to focus its early efforts on re-energizing the 'Trekkie' fan base before firing up a more mainstream effort.

Paramount also teamed with the wildly popular video game "Rock Band" to introduce a daily 15-track giveaway for "Star Trek" to coincide with a "Battle of the Bands: Rock the Galaxy" contest that kicks off April 20.

The phaser-like focus on the MTV youth demo explains why Paramount is spending sparingly on the Sci-Fi Channel, where "they already have a loyal fan base in our audience," said VP-Marketing Blake Callaway.

International issue

But persuading young Americans to go to see "Star Trek" is only part of the problem.

Unlike Fox's "X-Men" films, which typically split their box office evenly between the U.S. market and the rest of the world, "Star Trek" doesn't transport well outside the States: Only 36% of the "Star Trek" films' grosses came from overseas between 1996 and 2002.

As one head of creative advertising at a rival studio put it, "The lack of international appeal on the franchise is something I would be peeing in my pants about if I were Paramount."

Instead, the young Enterprise crew is now being sent to boldly go where no "Star Trek" cast has been sent before: to early premieres in Sydney, Moscow, New Zealand, Madrid, Paris, Brussels and London to generate foreign press.

By taking over the end credits of MTV shows to incorporate exclusive footage of the cast at those international premieres, Paramount hopes it can convert a longtime "Trek" weakness overseas into a domestic marketing asset: The film will be made to seem long-beloved by foreign audiences, even though it's never been anything like that in its 30 years as a film franchise.
 
I highly doubt that this makes over $250 million:o
 
I highly doubt that this makes over $250 million:o

Same here. If it's lucky it'll make about $100 mill in the US, but I don't expect it to bust down any doors. Also, I think Star Trek has a lot more potential than it gets credit for. I'm not a Star Trek fanboy, but I think that this movie is going to have a MUCH wider appeal than any Trek film before it, simply because it's not carrying any baggage from the previous entries in the franchise and starting fresh.

I think the big winners in may are going to be Star Trek and Terminator 4, because they're both looking to be very high quality Sci-fi adventures that deliver both action and story. Wolverine has action, but the story is a laughable POS. Critics are going to hate it, and I think the bad word of mouth from the leak is spreading too fast for Fox to put a band-aid on. If we've got 3 movies going into May and one comes out a loser, it stands to reason that the one we already know to suck will be the one that does the worst.
 
May is packed with potential blockbusters. Moreover, X-Men Origins, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation will all be vying for very similar, if not the same, demographics.

Yeah back who is going to come back to theatres back to back to back weeks... you are either going for Stark Trek if you don't catch Wolverine early or you are holding your chips for Terminator. It's unlikely someone will catch all three.

And I don't think Wolverine will crack 100 million OW... I still say 70 million... 25 the following week. And under 150 million if all goes accordingly.
 
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Fans should go see this film twice in a row..
for one thing, to bulwark against the bootlegging that has the leaked version causing some to diss the film..

... only the 2nd week, Star Trek hits theaters.. backed by Paramount no less (distributor of marvel's other hero films).. fanboy loyalties will be split..

i forget what else will be in theaters by the time that memorial day weekend comes around.. that might have even been a better date for Origins..


if the movie drops 50% in its second week and beyond, you'll have writers and studio insiders trying to say that it's a "flop"... the people inside Fox who want to wash their hands of the X-men franchise will have their trump card..
 
Fans should go see this film twice in a row..for one thing, to bulwark against the bootlegging that has the leaked version causing some to diss the film..

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I'll be watching this 4 times on opening weekend, and everytime I watch it - I'll be surrounded with friends.

Wolverine II will happen.
 
I think Star Trek is going to have a huge weekend and Wolverine will have a big drop as a result - but as long as it does really well on it's first weekend, overall it should be fine.

I'm terrible at predicting these things, but there are so many movies coming out in May, I think they're all going to be cannibalizing each other.
 
I think Star Trek is going to have a huge weekend and Wolverine will have a big drop as a result - but as long as it does really well on it's first weekend, overall it should be fine.

I'm terrible at predicting these things, but there are so many movies coming out in May, I think they're all going to be cannibalizing each other.

I don't think Star Trek's opening weekend will be that big. I don't even think it'll make that much money overall. Its too sci-fi for general audiences. General audiences like action.

I consider Star Trek to be a mild threat to Wolverine.

*Terminator is the problem.
 
X2 was a lot better then X3, and X3 made a lot more money. So what that means is if X3 is a lot better then Wolverine, then Wolverine will make a lot more money :)

Ah, I love how this world works.
its pretty simple if you think about it.
x3 had a huge opening because people liked x2. nothing strange what happened 3 years ago.

if peopel didnt like x3 then i dont expect a huge opening. but if they like hugh and all otehr stuff then it could happen.
fox knows how to promote their movies. thats a big plus.
 
If the promotional tour so far is any indication, Hugh knows how to promote a movie, too. I'm expecting Wolverine to do better overseas than the previous three X-Men films.
 
I agree Celestial, his promo tour is more elaborate this time around then ever before and it looks like it'll pay off. And he's doing it all on his lonesome.
 
That promotional tour he's doing overseas right now is terrific, and the crowds seem to be loving it. The hometown premiere contest is also getting a lot of good publicity - even the mayor of one town has gotten involved and it appears several towns are duking it out as the voting ends tonight.

I also didn't realize how big a star Daniel Henney is in Korea - the two of them were like rock stars on that promo tour earlier this week.
 
I don't think Star Trek's opening weekend will be that big. I don't even think it'll make that much money overall. Its too sci-fi for general audiences. General audiences like action.

I consider Star Trek to be a mild threat to Wolverine.

*Terminator is the problem.

ST's opening weekend will probably be low, but I can see it having legs. I've heard it's good and it looks like there's tons of action. It could be a real spectacle on the big screen.

I completely agree about Terminator though.
 
From DeadlineHollywoodDaily:
Twentieth Century Fox internally is projecting $70M-$75M in domestic box office gross. But there wasn't any foaming at the mouth at Fox when I passed along that rival studios were predicting $80M for the May 1st opening weekend of its summer blockbuster X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Then again, fans are expecting a big fat debut along the order of the 2006 threequel X-Men: The Last Stand's $102.7M, not the 2003 sequel X-Men: United's $85.5M. (They cost $210+M and $110+M, respectively.) How much the film exceeds that number depends on the toll taken by all that piracy mishegoss. And whether this 4th pic in the franchise is deemed any good. For those keeping score, X-Men opened to $54.4M back in 2000.
Studios are usually conservative with their estimates because they like to talk about how the film has exceeded their expections.
 
IDK, these things are hard. If it was from my point of view I could give what I think will happen, but I've seen movies that SUCK get 300M and movies that are AWESOME get 100M, so.... My point being Wolverine could get 10% at Rotten Tomatoes, get boycotted by the fans, and still make 250M. It's a strange world we live in. Seeing as people really really really really want to see a movie, I think wolverine will make 90M opening weekend, then have average legs, that get it north of 200M, which sounds fine to me.
 

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