Snyder Throws a Sucker Punch

[JAK®]

the point is that all three are obsessed with only one style. they dont know how to try something different.

Why should they do something different if it works for them?

 

[Project862006]

HATERS GONNA HATE

 

[KenK]

Uh . . . . yeah. Yeah, you . . . you tell 'em, man!

 

[TheComicbookKid]

, this looks to have some meat you can chew on after you leave the theater.

I hope you mean visually only. The net is serious business. Don't make jokes like that.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't mean visually only. The internet is serious business. Look at the arguments that lasts 10's of pages.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

To be fair both Bay and Snyder are "all style no substance" directors.

For this reason I'm worried about Superman. The best Superman movies had heart (thanks to Donner and Reeve).

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't mean visually only .

As someone who was super excited about this film, I have to say it looks like complete drivel in good packaging.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

For this reason I'm worried about Superman. The best Superman movies had heart (thanks to Donner and Reeve).

I'll worry when the SHH headline reads Superman Reshoots: Nolan overseeing Snyder filming.

Bay, I think, knows he sucks at emotional filmmaking and really hasn't tried. At least not since the Island.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'll worry when the SHH headline reads Superman Reshoots: Nolan overseeing Snyder filming.

Bay, I think, knows he sucks at emotional filmmaking and really hasn't tried. At least not since the Island.

Well people were crying during Armageddon but lets be honest, the "hero sacrifices himself and gives final speech while daughter cries" has to be the easiest tear jerker to pull off.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

As someone who was super excited about this film, I have to say it looks like complete drivel in good packaging.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

You "were" excited? What made you not be excited presently?

 

[Project862006]

snyder has had plenty of heart in his films it is sad that people cant see this

people just see his stylistic visual style and it confuses them that a style like that can have some sort of heart

 

[Majik1387]

Well people were crying during Armageddon but lets be honest, the "hero sacrifices himself and gives final speech while daughter cries" has to be the easiest tear jerker to pull off.

Not to forgot there's a definitive difference between the likability between Bruce Willis and Liv Tyler against Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox and cgi robots.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Snyder is NOT like Bay. None of his films are filled with bulls*** and middle school humor.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

You "were" excited? What made you not be excited presently?

It was sometime around when I found what the lobotomy was symbolized as in the dream world and the first trailer came out.

snyder has had plenty of heart in his films it is sad that people cant see this

people just see his stylistic visual style and it confuses them that a style like that can have some sort of heart

Dude's just a visually acute guy, imo. It overwhelms you to the point that it's all that matters. Symbolism or emotional buildup be damned. I've never been taking in by the way he films two characters talking. Contrasting his stuff with say the end conversation in X1 with Mags and X. You get a sense of history between the two that's been built up from the opening scene. The Comedian's death read as a guy getting killed. Nothing else. Not a guy used to being the one giving beatdowns losing. Just a guy getting beatdown.

Snyder's good at directing actors for the most part which I think means he will eventually get better. But he's not ready to pull off a scene like the Joker interrogation.

The most visually resonate scene in the entire trailer for me was the light bulb bursting.

 

[Project862006]

^completely disagree with you on watchmen it had tons of heart and emotion

agree to disagree

 

[JAK®]

Dude's just a visually acute guy, imo. I've never been taking in by the way he films two characters talking. Contrasting his stuff with say the end conversation in X1 with Mags and X. You get a sense of history between the two that's been built up from the opening scene. The Comedian's death read as a guy getting killed. Nothing else. Not a guy used to be the one giving beatdowns losing. Just a guy getting beatdown.

You're comparing an ending scene to an opening scene.

You're meant to see The Comedian as just a guy getting killed. You find out more about him in the rest of the movie. This was true in the comic also.

Maybe you should make a better comparison than that.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

You're comparing an ending scene to an opening scene.

You're meant to see The Comedian as just a guy getting killed. You find out more about him in the rest of the movie. This was true in the comic also.

Maybe you should make a better comparison than that.

Nope. The opening of X1 still portrays the history. The way we don't get to see Mags' face. Every scene in the movie mimcs that. Xavier's fraustration with his old friend. You don't need to know who the Comedian is why he's being attacked to get a sense of who the character is supposed to be. That's what a skilled director does. He can give you a sense of things even before the reveal.

If it makes you feel better.

How about the relationship between Laurie and her mother? It played as one dimensional mother-daughter anger. We don't even approach the parallels of what kind of guys she is attracted to in relation to how she sees her mother.

 

[Project862006]

laurie has anger towards her mother because she was forced into crime fighting at an early age

She does'nt know what to do with her life and is lost as she knows nothing but crime fighting which is why all her friends are crime fighters she cant have any type of relationship because she has been sheltered.

far from 1 dimensional

 

[TheComicbookKid]

laurie has anger towards her mother because she was forced into crime fighting at an early age

She does'nt know what to do with her life and is lost as she knows nothing but crime fighting which is why all her friends are crime fighters she cant have any type of relationship because she has been sheltered.

far from 1 dimensional

I didn't say what her character was supposed to be. I'm saying how it was portrayed on screen by the director.

I've never even read all of Watchmen and I'm telling you as someone going in blind. The relationship wasn't anything on screen.

 

[Project862006]

i was'nt referring to the book all this was in the film as well

 

[JAK®]

Nope. The opening of X1 still portrays the history. The way we don't get to see Mags' face. Every scene in the movie mimcs that. Xavier's fraustration with his old friend. You don't need to know who the Comedian is why he's being attacked to get a sense of who the character is supposed to be. That's what a skilled director does. He can give you a sense of things even before the reveal.

If it makes you feel better.

How about the relationship between Laurie and her mother? It played as one dimensional mother-daughter anger. We don't even approach the parallels of what kind of guys she is attracted to in relationship to how she sees her mother.

I think you're applying what Singer successfully intended to do in X-Men to Watchmen, and blaming Snyder for not doing what he hasn't done and never intended to do.

I mean, Watchmen is a mystery and X-Men isn't. For Watchmen, not having much of a connection to The Comedian doesn't matter because you are supposed to learn about him later. And through that, you connect with the character, as well as learn about the characters the mystery effects. It's supposed to make you wonder why The Comedian deserved being beaten up and killed. X-Men's opening scene was meant to garner sympathy.

It's simply not fair to criticise Snyder in this situation.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I cared about the characters in Dawn of the Dead. That film is really freakin good for that very reason. IMHO, 300 was terrible because of the story/script. No director could have saved it.

I'm not saying that ZS is the perfect director but Bay could not have made Dawn of the Dead as good as it was nor Watchmen. He is about mostly visuals and some of the performances in his movies leave alot to be desired but he isn't anywhere near as bad as Bay.

 

[Majik1387]

Bay is best as a producer and some visuals, other than that, he's not really that good.

 

[Project862006]

hey i love the bad boys movies

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't hate the Bad Boys movies but they aren't good. The only legit good film that Bay has done IMHO is The Rock. I actually think that Bay has become a far worst director over the years. It all started with Armageddon, a movie that I absolutely loathe with all of my soul. If Revenge of the Fallen didn't exist, I would still be b**ching about it.

 

[Lone]

snyder has had plenty of heart in his films it is sad that people cant see this

people just see his stylistic visual style and it confuses them that a style like that can have some sort of heart

Because if it doesn't look like a Nolan film, it's automatically ****.

According to internet nerds that is.