So, does ANYBODY actually like Ultimatum? ... at all?

[random_havoc]

I was just thinking about it today, and Ultimatum may be the only comic series that I've encountered so far which I haven't found a single person that liked it.

Thoughts?

P.s. I just read my advanced copy of the issue coming out next Wednesday. Unsurprisingly it's not any better than the others have been.

 

[random_havoc]

I've tried to keep the poll as unbiased as possible btw

 

[Abstract]

Not only is it bad, it's spectacularly uninteresting considering its contents.

 

[Phaedrus45]

There are parts of Ultimatum I really, really like. The first issue was brilliant, and had me dying to see what happens next. The Spider-Man issue, where we saw New York underwater, was amazing. The issues of Fantastic Four made me want more.

I've read much, much worse; and, if this means that the Ultimate line gets a shake-up, I can't see that being a bad thing. That's the beauty of the Ultimatum line, anything can and could happen. (Daredevil biting it, for example.) It's the way it should be, treated as the ultimate What If world, giving writers a chance to tell stories they wouldn't be able to in the 616.

BTW, I would have answered the poll if it actually had an "unbiased" vote.

 

[bryanss3]

why do you read comics you don't like by writers you don't like?

 

[Brainiac 8]

It's garbage, plain and simple.

I mean they had Blob eating Wasp....ugh.

 

[YoungE808]

Yea, it started out good to me but now it's just boo boo. I hated the whole madrox thing.

 

[kguillou]

Before Ultimatum started i was really really interested in it. The premise was simple: Magneto's pissed, he wants to destroy the world, its up to the heroes to stop it. A simple premise but at the same time i loved it. How can you possibly go wrong with a " Everybody vs Magneto" story?? When was the last time we had that in the 616 universe?? So i gave Ultimatum a fair chance despite Loeb's track record and alas, Loeb has managed to ruin even a perfectly simple concept. The story is horrible, the characterization is just plain wrong and the worst of it all....the dang book is taking waaaay too long to come out! What is David Finch DOING? This was supposed to be over already in FEBRUARY. Anyway, Loeb simply cannot do anything right these days and i just cant wait for Ultimatum to be over.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It's pretty meh. I don't hate it like a lot of people, but I'm mostly just interested in seeing what happens to the X-Men, F4, and Doom.

There goes my brain mass

 

[JewishHobbit]

I read the first 2 issues. It was okay but not being a fan of the Ultimate Universe for many years I just found that I didn't care. Some cool scenes here and there, but overall I just didn't care.

 

[Lord Valumart]

i only read UFF and some mini's before this and i was completely lost with the 2nd issue...

magneto was pissed, water, something happens...hank goes mental when wasp is eaten. that was all i got...nothing else...

i take it i should have been spending money of the other titles inorder to understand whats happening in the one title i read?

 

[The Overlord]

There are parts of Ultimatum I really, really like. The first issue was brilliant, and had me dying to see what happens next. The Spider-Man issue, where we saw New York underwater, was amazing. The issues of Fantastic Four made me want more.

I've read much, much worse; and, if this means that the Ultimate line gets a shake-up, I can't see that being a bad thing. That's the beauty of the Ultimatum line, anything can and could happen. (Daredevil biting it, for example.) It's the way it should be, treated as the ultimate What If world, giving writers a chance to tell stories they wouldn't be able to in the 616.

BTW, I would have answered the poll if it actually had an "unbiased" vote.

The problem is DD's death, it is totally meaningless, they dropped a bridge on him, instead of giving hm any kind of meaningful death. That's just bad writing, not being edgy or cool.

 

[Phaedrus45]

That would be one thing if it was 616 Daredevil; but, this Daredevil is clearly not the same type of character. (In fact, a joke was made in the last Ultimate Spider-Man about what a *****e he was and quite forgettable, if I remember right.) DD's death was done for impact, and in that issue of Spider-Man, it was very effective.

 

[random_havoc]

why do you read comics you don't like by writers you don't like?

I read them for free online (I won't reward Marvel with money for putting out crap like this) ONLY because they've made the entire line dependent on this stupid mini. Honestly, I would've rather they'd let some random newby writer write it. Couldn't have been worse.

 

[bryanss3]

so why do you read something you know you're not going to like by a writer you strongly dislike for free??? are you going out of your wait to hate something even more than you do? I understand you wanna know what happens but if you strongly dislike the writing why put yourself through it? you can just wait for the each issue to comes out and wiki search ultimatum. You'll get to skip actually reading it and just get the plain simple facts.

this whole thread is just a thread dedicated to bash on something people already bash on any chance they get. this is why people who aren't on message boards think message board are a bunch of guys who have nothing better to do than trash everything... its true a lot of the time.

 

[random_havoc]

so why do you read something you know you're not going to like by a writer you strongly dislike for free??? are you going out of your wait to hate something even more than you do? I understand you wanna know what happens but if you strongly dislike the writing why put yourself through it? you can just wait for the each issue to comes out and wiki search ultimatum. You'll get to skip actually reading it and just get the plain simple facts.

this whole thread is just a thread dedicated to bash on something people already bash on any chance they get. this is why people who aren't on message boards think message board are a bunch of guys who have nothing better to do than trash everything... its true a lot of the time.

Actually, you're entirely wrong. This thread was actually created because I was curious as to whether I could actually find anyone who actually enjoys/defends this atrocious mini-series (this curiousity came from a discussion with my editor - I write comic reviews).

And interestingly enough you yourself don't even seem to be defending the series, you just don't like this thread for some reason. So, tell me then, why do you keep coming back to this thread when you clearly don't like it's contents? It's just to bash on the fact that people bash things on message boards isn't it? Even though a lot of people talk about hating that elsewhere.

In case that was too subtle, here's the problem: You're doing exactly the same thing everyone else here is except you're doing it about a different subject. That's called hypocrisy, or at the very least self-contradictory.

And as to your other comments, obviously glancing over a free copy is better than taking the time to read the wiki entry. First because Finch's art is the only good thing about the mini, and second because glancing over the pictures allows me to get through it faster than reading a bunch of paragraphs.

 

[bryanss3]

but what are you going to do if someone defends ultimatum? say they're wrong and belittle them? yes I'm bashing a thread meant to bash something with a poll where the only answer to say you like the story is "I actually like it, probably due to missing 65% of my brain mass". sorry if I find something like this mean just for the sake of being mean. I honestly don't care if that makes me a hypocrite. Everyone is in some way. If you prefer me not to return to this thread don't reply to me.

 

[The Overlord]

That would be one thing if it was 616 Daredevil; but, this Daredevil is clearly not the same type of character. (In fact, a joke was made in the last Ultimate Spider-Man about what a *****e he was and quite forgettable, if I remember right.) DD's death was done for impact, and in that issue of Spider-Man, it was very effective.

What impact? That death had no impact it didn't even happen on panel. Ultimate DD had a lot of potential and now it has been thrown away. They could have given Ultimate DD character development to move beyond that. If you are going to kill hi off, give him a real death.

Dropping a bridge on a character almost never has a real impact it is cheap, shock value writing with no thought or quality behind it.

 

[Phaedrus45]

The argument still doesn't hold up in the format this story is being told. As I mentioned, this is really a What If kind of environment of the 616 Universe...albiet on a much grander scale. If you read many What If stories .... or Exiles (lets say minus the Claremont years) ... many characters get killed off screen, so to speak. Simply put, the Ultimate tie-ins only have about 3 issues to tell their final stories within the space of the Ultimatum event. This is a Spider-Man comic, not a Daredevil comic, and to give any more time to Daredevil just wouldn't be done.

You also don't need to know the character or see the death to have the impact. If you've followed the Ultimate Universe from the beginning, you have enough information about this Daredevil. He's appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man a few times, and even had two minis devoted to him. This issue of Spider-Man was devoted to the things Spidey sees happening around him. Of course he wouldn't be there to see Daredevil die. To see the death before hand would take away from the impact of Spidey coming across his body.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Actually, you're entirely wrong. This thread was actually created because I was curious as to whether I could actually find anyone who actually enjoys/defends this atrocious mini-series (this curiousity came from a discussion with my editor - I write comic reviews).

Random, the curiosity doesn't really come through in the poll you are conducting. It immediately belittles anyone who might like it, by having the following poll:

Do you actually like Ultimatum?

I would rather vomit in a cup and drink it then re-read this mini-series.
It's been pretty bad, but I've read worse.
I don't care about it either way
I actually like it, probably due to missing 65% of my brain mass

None of those responses are worth putting a checkmark by for me. The "I actually like it" response just is used to insult those who do. There is no curiosity in this poll, just a means to insult this event.

 

[random_havoc]

Random, the curiosity doesn't really come through in the poll you are conducting. It immediately belittles anyone who might like it, by having the following poll:



None of those responses are worth putting a checkmark by for me. The "I actually like it" response just is used to insult those who do. There is no curiosity in this poll, just a means to insult this event.

Ugh, obviously the possible choices were put in there for humor's sake. Clearly, saying that I'd rather drink puke then re-read the series isn't exactly a charming answer for those who hate the series either.

Nonetheless, a few moments after I posted it I tried to go back and change it but realized that there is no edit option (this can be attested to by the fact that I posted the question "how do I edit the poll" in the stupid question thread). And, while THAT thread is on my mind, it's funny how people still post there despite the fact that it's called "stupid question". Wow, must mean that whoever created honestly thinks that all the questions are stupid, and anyone posting there must be admitting to being stupid by posting there, right? It couldn't just be to try and add humor rather than simply put it in a bland way.

I love debating things. Oddly enough, if someone has an opinion, I expect them to share it and stand up for it with reasonable argumentation.

 

[random_havoc]

but what are you going to do if someone defends ultimatum? say they're wrong and belittle them? yes I'm bashing a thread meant to bash something with a poll where the only answer to say you like the story is "I actually like it, probably due to missing 65% of my brain mass". sorry if I find something like this mean just for the sake of being mean. I honestly don't care if that makes me a hypocrite. Everyone is in some way. If you prefer me not to return to this thread don't reply to me.

Wow, assume things much? So, if someone defends ultimatum, I'll tell them they're wrong and belittle them, eh? Funny, because some people have already said that there are parts that they liked, and yet the only person on here I seem to be having issues with is the admitted hypocrite who likes the take the position of moral superior and judge.

Yes, I judge this mini series and bash it harshly. I can do that because I know it's content. You, on the other hand, seem to like making a lot of assumptions about me, the intent of the thread, and your position of superiority over the vast majority of the people who participate on forums. Well, you don't know me, or the intent I had in making this thread, or even, apparently, how I'd respond to those who defend Ultimatum. Instead you assume based on scanty evidence and your own skewed, view. If I could, I'd change the poll wording just for the sake of the humor impaired, but I can't, and I'm not about to bother a mod about it.

And feel free to keep coming back and replying along this line, I find it fascinating that you admit it's hypocritical to do so but seem to see no problem with that.

 

[bryanss3]

I don't think I'm better than you I'm not on a high horse I just feel like people on message boards could waste their time more positively. and it's not like there isn't any evidence of you going out of your way to belittle people... oh wait "I actually like it, probably due to missing 65% of my brain mass" sorry if someone might take that a little serious if they like the series and think you're calling them an idiot. Also You have called me an idiot and various other things for disagreeing with you in an Ultimates thread, you did apologize after, but still you can just say it's for someone who has a sense of humor. So apparently I'm a giant hypocrite to you. I could care less what you think, but you care what everyone thinks especially about things you don't like. like I said everyone is a hypocrite in some way it's human nature. If you think I'm on a high horse sorry, I just think a thread that could easily be titled "I think blank sucks, tell me why you like it" is a waste of space. sorry.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I will say apart from the poll, Random hasn't bashed me at all for saying I like a certain part of this event. He's been very respectful.

 

[Anubis]

The thing about being on a high horse, is that s**t tends to fall on everybody underneath. Unless you're into that thing. Two Girls, One Cup style.