So, exactly how much music is Chris Young composing?

[Visionary]

Circus music...yeah, that pretty much sounds like me.

 

[Mr Jide]

As much as I think Elfman is an overrated lazy-ass composer, I'd have a bit more respect for him if he created the main spidey theme in a way that I could actually hum it.

 

[bingy13]

As much as I think Elfman is an overrated lazy-ass composer, I'd have a bit more respect for him if he created the main spidey theme in a way that I could actually hum it.

You can't hum it? I can hum it AND whistle it...

 

[Catman]

Same here! Some people just don't have humming skills.

 

[Sentinel X]

Im not going to lie Or hide this any longer, its within me and its eating up my insides like a flesh eating disease....
That music SUCKED arse
The scene when Harry is chasing Peter through the alley gave me a headache, it wasn't really original imo. Id prefer Elfman for SM3, and if they couldnt get elfman at least get someone whos good. yeesh

 

[Catman]

Young's score wasn't THAT bad, but to each his own. And, yeah, I agree that Elfman should have worked on Spidey 3.

 

[Sentinel X]

I thought it was pretty bad...like techno...same thing over and over again and who ever was the music editor put elfman's music at inappropriate spots sometimes. I dont like young because hes a terrible movie composer...he probably would make a much better game composer because thats what his score sounded like to me...a videogame I played too long.

 

[Visionary]

As much as I think Elfman is an overrated lazy-ass composer, I'd have a bit more respect for him if he created the main spidey theme in a way that I could actually hum it.

The really sad part is, all of the trailer music is 20 times greater than anything that Elfman's did in Spider-Man...or has done in the past decade.

You can't hum it? I can hum it AND whistle it...

Yeah, right, I'd like to see that on YouTube.

 

[Solidus]

Does'nt matter what I try and say you guys will cry.

If some one told you that WAS Danny Elfman that did that score, you guys would be here talking about how great it was, and it was the most magnificiant piece of music done in decades.

You guys made up your mind before you even heard the music, you knew it was Chris Young so you find evidence to hate it because you made up your mind even before listening to it.

Go ahead and try to say "No I listened to it first then decided." But I know your full of it.

 

[Catman]

C'mon, Bingy13, prove Visionary wrong. Its not that hard either!

 

[Solidus]

I'm gonna have to say Catman though we disagree....you got some nice boobs on your avvy

 

[Catman]

you got some nice boobs on your avvy

In the heat of battle, the boobs will bring peace to the universe!

 

[Danny Elfman]

Yes I was gone but more news from Elfman's (almost) official site :

Cues from SPIDER-MAN 1 and 2 will be adapted by Steve Bartek (Elfman's long-time orchestrator and friend) and recorded this week for SPIDER-MAN 3. This was requested by Sony -- who has superceded Sam Raimi's decision to let Chris Young write the score he wants -- to keep the score's sound related to the first two films.

And you thought the story was over... I have a feeling it won't be until the first print of SPIDER-MAN 3 is struck!

 

[The Caped Knight]

Yes I was gone but more news from Elfman's (almost) official site :

Cues from SPIDER-MAN 1 and 2 will be adapted by Steve Bartek (Elfman's long-time orchestrator and friend) and recorded this week for SPIDER-MAN 3. This was requested by Sony -- who has superceded Sam Raimi's decision to let Chris Young write the score he wants -- to keep the score's sound related to the first two films.

And you thought the story was over... I have a feeling it won't be until the first print of SPIDER-MAN 3 is struck!

Sweet, Still I wish Elfman was the one doing all the composing music for spidey 3 . He really is very talented . I love theme he made for Doc Ock in spidey 2 and The Green Goblin's theme in 1 was cool too .

I just don't have a lot of faith in Young (I fear his theme for VENOM & Sandman) won't be as good as if Elfman had done it .

 

[Catman]

Yes I was gone but more news from Elfman's (almost) official site :

Cues from SPIDER-MAN 1 and 2 will be adapted by Steve Bartek (Elfman's long-time orchestrator and friend) and recorded this week for SPIDER-MAN 3. This was requested by Sony -- who has superceded Sam Raimi's decision to let Chris Young write the score he wants -- to keep the score's sound related to the first two films.

And you thought the story was over... I have a feeling it won't be until the first print of SPIDER-MAN 3 is struck!

Link please cause I saw nothing here: http://elfman.filmmusic.com/

EDIT:
Oh, I see
http://elfman.filmmusic.com/forum/read.php?7,20011,24828#24828

 

[Visionary]

Dear Lord...for a brief moment...only for a brief moment, I saw the names Sandman and Venom, and thought that Elfman's lackey was writing the score for them. Damn near lost my faith in humanity...I'm good now. Don't do that to me again.

 

[Catman]

Well...we don't know what Bartek is gonna be replacing from Young's composition. All it says is that he's adapting some stuff. Lets wait and see. I hope the Hype has more details.

 

[Visionary]

My guess, and it's only a guess. He's being used to adapt the film's previous Elfman's music for continuity sake, sense he knows his style best. Pretty much what we've already heard.

 

[mclay18]

Hasn't anyone considered that the music for the final cut might be altered during the final phase of post-production, maybe for the Peter/Harry fight? Young is doing scoring sessions for Spider-Man 3 now (and will most likely do pickups in early April as the CGI and final sound mixing is still being worked on), so my guess is that in order for NBC to show the 7 minute clip, he most likely scored and recorded the cues for those particular scenes.

Just because the music for that scene is original doesn't mean it'll end up in the final theatrical cut. And Catman, I think Bartek is adapting Elfman's cues for specific points in the movie -- most likely the main title sequence for the third film. It would be a better position had Bartek been in charge of orchestrating Young's score instead of adapting his friend's themes for the third film.

 

[Kipobe]

The music for that clip was mostly temp music as far as I can tell.... they reused cues, and the fight scene was a very rough idea of what was to come... sounded like an extended cut from Young's train sequence.

Be that as it may, it made absolutely no sense to me, and my personal opinion was that Young's music had no intention on building off the temp tracks.... which according to Raimi circa 2004 was right up his ally... (part of the early problems between Raimi and Elfman stemmed from this...)

So seeing this, I'm glad Sony intervened. People are all too built up on themes, but themes are just arranged notes... they don't tell the story... they make the movie "thematic", and the level of power behind the theme controls the tempo and flow... but the theme does NOT create the feel of the movie... the score does. That's why (even though I was happy), I wasn't doing cartwheels when I heard that Elfman was doing the themes and Young was writing the cues... that happened in Spider-Man 2, most noticably during the train sequence, and the music was just too hard to follow and way inconsistant with the movie(s) up to that point. Independantly, it was tolerable, but had no place in that movie since it was left-field stuff and was just Young's moment to try and shine. I assumed the music was the way it was because he didn't have time to collaborate with what was already written... but after hearing snippets of his work on Spider-Man 3, I can assume he'd do no better. Fortunately, he'd have the whole show to make it consistant (at the very least).

But now, Sony has set things right for the sake of consistancy alone. How this will end up, I don't know... but Young all but butchered Elfman's work... I'm glad Sony recognized this. Ottman (despite being not the greatest composer out there) did a thrilling job on Superman after adapting someone elses themes, and yet managed to write an original score out of it... why couldn't Young do the same thing?

 

[Danny Elfman]

Anyway, this is a lesson for apprentice filmmakers who want to find their way in Hollywood : it's all about the money.
Raimi is an experienced director, he proved his abilities in many genre and his previous Spider-Man films were huge success. Nevertheless, the studio doesn't trust change and I'm pretty sure it's Sony who called Bartek (which by the way is much more than a lackey but also a excellent composer...just because you don't like Elfman Visionary, it doesn't mean that his mother is a b****, show at least some humility once in a while).

So in the end we'll get another patchwork score; something more coherent than what happened on number 2 but still, I wished Young could have been allowed to write the complete score, using Elfman's main themes. It would have been much more logical.

About Bartek's involvement, I'm pretty sure he'll just adapt previous cues written by Elfman and make sure they fit with the action (underlining some elements, closing the cue, etc.). Technical work mainly no real writing. I don't blame him to do so, the pay is certainly huge.


So, I'm looking forward for next week, where we'll be announced that Trevor Rabin will actually write the score !

 

[The Caped Knight]

So Let me get this striaght all the established theme's Elfman created for


Peter Parker

Spider-Man

Mary Jane

The Green Goblin - Norman Osborn/Harry Osborn

will remain, But Young will create new theme's for only Venom & Sandman correct ?

 

[Danny Elfman]

Hey Kipode, it's Edward Bloom from MFADP board !
Nice analysis as always (hope you read mine at page 1 t: ) but I'm not exactly sharing your view :
I agree completely with what you said about "themes" and Elfman wrote highly pertinent themes for the series. Not only nice melodies that any young composer can come up with but musical sentences that can be orchestrated in many ways, adapting themselves to the action and being able to pop in the more narrative moments that are really the essential part in the scoring process.
But I would have preferred that Young was allowed to score the all thing, basing his work on Elfman's themes. Yes, it would have break the sound Elfman brought to his scores but at least, the third movie would have been coherent on his own.

Anyway, in terms of music, logic has left the series a long time ago...

 

[Visionary]

Ottman (despite being not the greatest composer out there) did a thrilling job on Superman after adapting someone elses themes, and yet managed to write an original score out of it... why couldn't Young do the same thing?

Because Ottman had a great composer's music (and a great superhero score) to work with, Young has Danny Elfman's half-assed music to work with, that's why. I say give it to Elfman's lackey and let him ham out the singing angel choir and flutes for the billionth time.

 

[Mr Jide]

My guess, and it's only a guess. He's being used to adapt the film's previous Elfman's music for continuity sake, sense he knows his style best. Pretty much what we've already heard.

Bingo.