So, exactly how much music is Chris Young composing?

[Danny Elfman]

So Let me get this striaght all the established theme's Elfman created for


Peter Parker

Spider-Man

Mary Jane

The Green Goblin - Norman Osborn/Harry Osborn

will remain, But Young will create new theme's for only Venom & Sandman correct ?

To be exhaustive :

Spider-Man has :
A Main Theme
3 Motifs

Peter Parker has :
A Main Theme (that can be divided in 3 Motifs)
A Motif expressing his loneliness

Mary-Jane has :
A Main Theme (the romantic theme) that actually only consist in 4 notes but they also seemed to like the build-up that Elfman wrote for the cue “Getting Through” from SM1 so it comes back once in a while.

Green Goblin has :
One Main Theme

Doc Ock has :
A Main Theme
A Secondary Theme for the action scenes
A motif

Elfman also wrote many other themes only dedicated to some sequences: the bank robbery, the theatre montage, the happy montage, the hero speech theme, etc. They didn’t make it to final cut (or partially) for the reasons we know...

 

[Kipobe]

Hey Kipode, it's Edward Bloom from MFADP board !
Nice analysis as always (hope you read mine at page 1 t: ) but I'm not exactly sharing your view :
I agree completely with what you said about "themes" and Elfman wrote highly pertinent themes for the series. Not only nice melodies that any young composer can come up with but musical sentences that can be orchestrated in many ways, adapting themselves to the action and being able to pop in the more narrative moments that are really the essential part in the scoring process.
But I would have preferred that Young was allowed to score the all thing, basing his work on Elfman's themes. Yes, it would have break the sound Elfman brought to his scores but at least, the third movie would have been coherent on his own.

Anyway, in terms of music, logic has left the series a long time ago...

I knew you were someone from over there... I just didn't know who.

Yeah, logic is long gone... and I was like you originally, I wanted Young to be left alone and do the work... but Raimi would've tortured him, you know that. There would've been as much original music in this film as a temp score, and the times when Young would shine, we'd get a repeat of the train sequence (which, as you know, made about as much logical sense as a fish flying with the birds...)

Bringing in Elfman to write themes caused even more trouble, because we've seen what Young has done with Elfman's themes.... he completely waterized them. Above everything else, his timing on the notes was just horrendous. Elfman's train sequence was coherent, and followed suit with the existing work in the movie.

My hope is this: Bartek enhances the existing cues in Spider-Man 1 & 2 to create newer, updated cues for the third film. Sony sees his work, and decides to axe Young altogether. Enter Bartek to rework not only the existing themes, but the new ones written and submitted by Elfman that was rejected by Raimi.

If the film really is a trilogy, then this is without a doubt Raimi's last movie... so Sony won't really care about hurting his feelings since his job is almost done. If not, then they may end up really clamping in on his work in future films.

 

[Mr Jide]

killer pooh bear finally decides to post after how long? Where've you been hiding your ass?

 

[Visionary]

"Highly Pertinent Themes," lol, by Elfman, dear Lord, I can't take it any longer...stop, just stop it now...I'm gonna tinkle on myself.

 

[Kipobe]

Who are you?

And also, I post every so often, mostly in either community or the games forum, but I've had a post count reset so people think I'm never here.

 

[Danny Elfman]

Who are you?

Who knows....and who wants to know ?

 

[spiderguy252000]

Man, the beggining better be the same beggining from the past films... cause if its not...*waves fist in the air*

 

[Kipobe]

Who knows....and who wants to know ?

I mean Mr 7000+

He seems to know me from a while back.

 

[Danny Elfman]

Oh okay. My mistake...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

what I believe is that since Bartek is adapting things from elfmans music thats a good thing. I mean now there will be even similar things to elfmans music which is what I wanted if elfman didn't return. I feared that young would mess up with the themes and wouldn't make venom and sandman's theme intense. he did do a good job though with the goblin theme which I heard during the 7 1/2 minute clip. but I still do fear that young won't do a good job with venom and sandman's theme.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I mean Mr 7000+

He seems to know me from a while back.

Well, his old username was spider-jide...

 

[Visionary]

I feared that young would mess up with the themes and wouldn't make venom and sandman's theme intense. he did do a good job though with the goblin theme which I heard during the 7 1/2 minute clip. but I still do fear that young won't do a good job with venom and sandman's theme.

Since when the hell is anything that Elfman scored in Spider-Man...INTENSE. What part during any scene where the music becomes intense? Your fear is my fear with Elfman writing the score for Venom, the symbiote and Sandman.

 

[bingy13]

Since when the hell is anything that Elfman scored in Spider-Man...INTENSE. What part during any scene where the music becomes intense? Your fear is my fear with Elfman writing the score for Venom, the symbiote and Sandman.

I'd say the Goblin theme is quite intense. When Harry discovers his father was the Goblin at the end of SM2 the music is very intense.

 

[Visionary]

You need to watch more movies.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Since when the hell is anything that Elfman scored in Spider-Man...INTENSE. What part during any scene where the music becomes intense? Your fear is my fear with Elfman writing the score for Venom, the symbiote and Sandman.

trust me there is. elfmans version of the train sequence was intense and a few others were.

 

[Kipobe]

Hey, here's a wacky question... when did Spider-Man become an "intense" movie?

 

[Catman]

Hey, here's a wacky question... when did Spider-Man become an "intense" movie?

It has its moments.

 

[Catman]

You need to watch more movies.

And, you need to clean your ears.

 

[lonzoe]

Elfman's music was intense in the first minute of the cue they edited out of the movie called Doc Ock is Born on the spiderman 2 CD track 3. The first minute of the cue was very intense. It was supposed to be for the scene where the tentacles attacked the nurses and surgeons.They took it out of the movie probably because it was too intense for the movie. They probably thought it overshadowed the scene. I disagree. He had some intense music in the first movie as well like the scene where Peter and Norman get their powers. It's called Transformatons on the CD of Spiderman 1. He did intense music for Darkman, Planet of the Apes, Red Dragon, especially Clive Barkers Nightbreed, and of course most of Timmy's films, and theres more but I'm not going to say them all. Hey Danny Elfman when you going to put those cues that were originally going to be in Spiderman 2 that Elfman wrote on youtube yet. I remember when I got the dvd for Spidey 2 I started playing the cues that were on the CD but taken out of the movie the next day of course after I refresh my memory on the movie first. I don't have the skills like you to record them with the movie. So thats why I was wondering. You have the cues that aren't on the CD and movie right. Thanks.

 

[lonzoe]

Whoops double post.

 

[bingy13]

You need to watch more movies.

Get over yourself.

 

[Visionary]

No.

 

[Mr Jide]

Anyway, good riddance to Elfman, I cant stand the bugger.

 

[mclay18]

Even with the news that Bartek is adapting Elfman's themes, I highly doubt he'll be credited as co-composer alongside Young, nor will he get a "additional music" credit. He'll most likely be accredited as "themes arranger" in the end credits, or something along those lines.

I mean, William Ross did a similar thing with Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. John Williams had written the majority of the score and recorded part of it, but then he was needed to score A.I. for Steven Spielberg. So he asked William Ross to adapt his themes (as well as conduct the rest of the score) for the remaining bit and Ross complied. The score is actually very seamless, you really can't tell what Ross adapted and what was original Williams score.

But it's not similar to what Ken Thorne did for Superman II and Superman III, he just basically cannibalized Williams's score and rearranged it to fit the scenes, with little original material.

 

[mclay18]

But for those who say that the Peter/Harry fight is temp-tracked, they're wrong. A poster on the score reviews forum is in charge of the Christopher Young unofficial website (he does have reliable sources, because all of the music clips on the web site have been authorized by Young himself), and he says that the fight is a new action cue Young composed for the film. (He mentions that Aunt May and Mary Jane's themes are present in those scenes, but he didn't say whether Young scored them. They're probably the scenes that will have Bartek's rearranged themes.)

Here's the link to the announcement. Sorry for those who wanted something more original from Young, but the action cue will probably remain during the last stretches of post-production and make it into the cut shown in theaters.