Comics So I have the option between Birthright and Man of Steel.

Birthright or Man of Steel

  • Birthright

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I'm sorry, but I always hated Man of Steel. The whole dystopian Nazi-eqsue Krypton in particular left a really bad taste in my mouth; if Krypton was such a terrible place, then why the hell would Kal-El care about commemorating it? Stripping his powers down and making his costume to be designed after the JSA heroes just does more to make Superman less special, as was the transformation of Lex Luthor into "Kingpin Lite." The whole thing just seems like a blatant attempt to distance Superman from a lot of the elements that defined him.

As much as people whine and moan about BR having the "soul vision" (which barely factors into the story at all, aside from making Superman more dead-set against killing) or Luthor showing up in Smallville (which has been in-and-out of continuity since the 50s), Waid at least tried to stay faithful to the classic mythos, whereas Byrne just seemed to be changing stuff merely for the sake of changing stuff.
 
Where can I find "The Man of Steel"? Is it still in print?

Just check the trade paperbacks of your local comic book shop. DC's been putting out volumes of Byrne and Wolfman's run of Superman/Man of Steel. If you're just looking for the Man of Steel storyline and origin, you'll just be needing to pick up Volume 1. :)
 
Birthright made Superman a vegetarian. What is the point of this? They may as well have made him suck off dudes.
 
Why exactly is the 'vegetarian' thing such a big deal to the BR haters? It's not like it radically alters the character, and it doesn't factor into the story. The guy's against killing people, so why's it such a stretch that he doesn't like killing animals either?

Seriously, it was one sentence, and you guys react like it's Superman Blue all over again.
 
It is just really really gay. The American way is to eat beef.

I am against killing people too but I don't have a problem with animals being killed and eaten.
 
I'm sorry, but I always hated Man of Steel. The whole dystopian Nazi-eqsue Krypton in particular left a really bad taste in my mouth; if Krypton was such a terrible place, then why the hell would Kal-El care about commemorating it?
It wasn't a terrible place at all. It was simply cold and unemotional, which was meant to be Byrne's way of showing a more tragic version of Krypton than that of previous versions of Superman's orgin.

Seriously, the whole concept was that Krypton's society didn't have to be like that, and just as one of its citizens (Jor-el) gets that into his head and starts to change the way the world thinks for the better, it's already too late since they're all about to blow up anyway. Jor-el didn't just want to save his son from an exploding planet; he wanted to save him from their cold way of life.
Stripping his powers down and making his costume to be designed after the JSA heroes just does more to make Superman less special,
I'm not sure where the JSA influence you speak of comes from, but it sure wasn't mentioned in "Man of Steel."

And the powering down was done to humanize Superman more. Sure, he could still move mountains and stuff, but he was just weak enough to bring the character much more down to earth than he was before.
as was the transformation of Lex Luthor into "Kingpin Lite." The whole thing just seems like a blatant attempt to distance Superman from a lot of the elements that defined him.
Lex being turned into a corporate tycoon was done to make himself more like Superman's opposite. Superman stands for truth, justice, and the American dream, whereas the Businessman Lex stands for lies, manipulation, and warping the American dream to suit his means and allow him to tempt others.

DC already had a dozen mad scientists at the time, so Lex had to be something special and not just another one of those schmucks. Lex became a whole lot more. He became the man who used those other scientists to make something for him, corrupted their creation, screwed over the scientist, and then had the scientist in question take the fall for the whole thing once it fell apart after it fulfilled its purpose.

To me, that's much more evil and menacing for Lex to do, rather than being just another carbon copy from a long line of generic mad scientists.
As much as people whine and moan about BR having the "soul vision" (which barely factors into the story at all, aside from making Superman more dead-set against killing) or Luthor showing up in Smallville (which has been in-and-out of continuity since the 50s), Waid at least tried to stay faithful to the classic mythos, whereas Byrne just seemed to be changing stuff merely for the sake of changing stuff.
Personally, I don't see what the big deal about Soul Vision is either (it just makes sense that a guy who can see pretty much the whole EM spectrum should at least see something that's there when you're alive, but gone when you're dead), but changing Luthor to fit into Clark's youth in Smallville takes away from Luthor being involved with Perry White's youth in Suicide Slums.

Given the choice between those two options for the story of Lex's coming-of-age, I'd definitely choose Lex & Perry in Metropolis. It makes for a much more tragic, yet evil, interpretation of how Lex came to be who he is.
 
Birthright.

If you're a noob,you're going to laugh at the god awful dialog in Man of Steel.Typical 80s dialog which is a total chore to read.
 
Birthright.

If you're a noob,you're going to laugh at the god awful dialog in Man of Steel.Typical 80s dialog which is a total chore to read.

That's what I thought at first, but I personally got used to the dialogue. It's just a different style than now. If you think the 80s dialogue is corny, pick up the 30s and 40s issues of Batman or Superman. You wanna talk about awkward dialogue. But, again, it's just the time frame it was written in.
 
Birthright.

If you're a noob,you're going to laugh at the god awful dialog in Man of Steel.Typical 80s dialog which is a total chore to read.
I certainly didn't laugh when I read it... you don't give it enough credit.
 
Definitely Man of Steel. It got rid of a lot of the Pre-Crisis goofy stuff, and really made Superman interesting in the 80's. It gave Superman a more modern edge for it's time.
 
Why exactly is the 'vegetarian' thing such a big deal to the BR haters? It's not like it radically alters the character, and it doesn't factor into the story. The guy's against killing people, so why's it such a stretch that he doesn't like killing animals either?

Seriously, it was one sentence, and you guys react like it's Superman Blue all over again.

I too do not go around killing humans, but I don't have a problem with cattle being killed for their meat, or any other animal. I hunt when hunting season arrives. I've been deer hunting, and rabbit hunting. I support the outdoorsmen.

Here is my problem with Superman being Vegetarian in BR. Superman is a vegetarian because he sees the "souls" or "lifeforce" of a living being, when they die it's no longer there. So because of this Superman is now against eating meat.

So does that mean Superman is also against hunting now? Does that mean Superman is now an animal rights activist? I mean when a hunter goes out for deer, rabbit, duck, etc the animal that is being hunted is going to be killed for its food among other things.

I'm a hunter, so is my family, we go every year. Superman is now against killing animals so it's safe to assume he's also against hunting. I find this offensive, my favorite fictional hero has the viewpoint *now* that what I am doing is wrong. It isn't by the way.

Of course we could get into a long drawn out debate about animals being used as food etc. But I feel DC should have just kept Superman the way he was...like most humans on this earth we have meat in our diet.
 
It is just really really gay. The American way is to eat beef.

I am against killing people too but I don't have a problem with animals being killed and eaten.


The "American way?" What are you talking about? Last time I checked, there isn't an article in the constitution about eating beef. Eating beef isn't an American way, it's just a way, period. People all over the world eat beef, and have been long before America was founded.

And no, I don't think not having Supes eat beef is quite up there with "having him suck off guys." Not eating beef hardly makes him a homosexual.

That line of thinking is just about as rational as me walking up to a go and asking "hey do you like ice cream?" and when he says no then me going "WELL YOU MUST BE A FRIGGIN NAZI!"
 
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