Spider-man 3.1 finally?!

[henzINNIT]

Sony being Sony.

'Spider-Man 3: The Editor's Cut' is out on some platforms, quite possibly on the upcoming Blu Ray releases too but still nothing is confirmed. They brought in the actual editor who reconstructed a cut of SM3 before reshoots were done for the theatrical release and reinstated some of Young's unused score.

 

[carpenter82]

Well, if for nothing else, the removal of the dumb butler scene is always an improvement.

I can see why Aunt May's scene was cut. She travels to Manhatten just to stop in for two minutes, to tell Peter the same thing the always tells him, for him to give the ring back to her, only for her to leave it on the dresser and leave. It's kind of pointless.

It's also a lazy cut-and-paste of the same line from SM1.

Aunt May's scene is important to Peter's arc in the film. I'm puzzled as to why that was taken out. Whether we like it or not, everything in Spider-Man 3 is there for a reason. So when you start taking out key scenes the message of the film becomes muddled.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Now I can't get it off of Amazon.

What in God's **** is actually going on????!!!!!

Is this Sony's way of trying to gauge a 3.1 cut? If so, we need to rally and let Sony know we want more of the footage. It's possible they can do it.

Or I'm going insane.

 

[carpenter82]

Now I can't get it off of Amazon.

What in God's **** is actually going on????!!!!!

You're right it's not there anymore. That sucks, I was going to watch it tonight.

 

[henzINNIT]

Is this Sony's way of trying to gauge a 3.1 cut? If so, we need to rally and let Sony know we want more of the footage. It's possible they can do it.

Or I'm going insane.

I wish it was something like that. It probably just went up too soon and will reappear in a couple of weeks.

 

[hbenthow]

Aunt May's scene is important to Peter's arc in the film. I'm puzzled as to why that was taken out. Whether we like it or not, everything in Spider-Man 3 is there for a reason. So when you start taking out key scenes the message of the film becomes muddled.

Hardback247 (the Blu-ray.com user who contacted Bob Murawski) posted some of Murawski's responses to his questions:

I just emailed Spider-Man 3's editor Bob Murawski through his independent distribution company Grindhouse Releasing. I asked him about why the Aunt May scene was removed and this is what he said:

"It is a good scene, but we went back to an earlier version of the movie that existed before this scene was shot to create this alternate cut. In the original version of the script, Peter made up his own mind to try to make amends with Mary Jane after he rid himself of the black suit."

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1. Why not have the scene where Flint’s family comes in during the final battle and tell him to stop fighting Spider-Man, and that Penny is incurable?

"That was cut long ago because it made the third act too slow. Plus, the goal of this cut was to go back to a version where the characters made their decisions themselves."

2. Were there any thoughts to make an even longer extended cut and include the other parts of the sandcastle scene and other rumored deleted scenes?

"No. This will probably be it. The big thing was fully restoring Christopher Young's great score from start to finish. The new edit was a bonus."

3. I would like it if you made a retrospective audio commentary for the Spider-Man 3: Editor’s Cut, talking about your experiences editing the theatrical version, the studio mandating, and your goals behind this new cut.

"There was no time. The new version barely came together in time for the release date."

4. I’m just saying that there is so much more you could have added to this Editor’s Cut to improve the movie. Make it an actual extended cut.

"Not in my opinion. The movie is better shorter."

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I told him:
"What’s weird about this Editor’s Cut, is that there is virtually no advertising for it. It’s available to rent and buy on Amazon Video, but Sony hasn’t come out with any press release confirming it being on the new Spider-Man Trilogy Blu-Ray Digibook coming in two weeks."

His response:
"I don't understand it myself."

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[Doctor Jones]

This is just baffling.

Baffling.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I love "the movie is better shorter."

Dude, it's two minutes shorter. Two. Minutes. That changes absolutely nothing.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Two minutes actually goes a long way for a movie's run time.

Granted, I haven't seen this cut, but this is the film's original editor who knows what he's doing, but still had to make do with what he had.

I honestly don't think adding more scenes into this film will make it better. I think it fundamentally came down to the fact that there was too much stuff in this movie from the very beginning. Everything was probably taken out to make it flow better. But not all the previous footage could fit into this movie. Stuff gets reshot and reshuffled for a reason. It's hard to recreate the original intent in a movie like this.

Still, for fun, I'd be curious to see a cut with all the footage in it. It just wouldn't be good. It would probably be an even bigger mess. At the very least, they should just release all the cut and alternate scenes so maybe there'd be a cool fan cut out there someday.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

The only scene that got cut was Aunt May visiting Peter after he gets rid of the suit.

 

[PeterBenParker]

So, does Peter just shower and then cut to him going to Harry? That's odd.

 

[henzINNIT]

I love "the movie is better shorter."

Dude, it's two minutes shorter. Two. Minutes. That changes absolutely nothing.

He was referring to the hypothetical extended cut.

 

[JackMercy]

Still, for fun, I'd be curious to see a cut with all the footage in it. It just wouldn't be good. It would probably be an even bigger mess. At the very least, they should just release all the cut and alternate scenes so maybe there'd be a cool fan cut out there someday.

The film only needed Sandman or Brock/Venom, not both. That would solve half the problems.

At one point during its development, Spider-Man 3 ballooned into the idea of films 3 and 4, to shoot back-to-back. This also probably had something to do with the huge cluster of plotlines becoming beef stew.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

So, does Peter just shower and then cut to him going to Harry? That's odd.

No. He showers, then we cut to Venom swinging around.

 

[Dominate426]

So, does Peter just shower and then cut to him going to Harry? That's odd.

No, he showers and then it cuts to Venom meeting up with Sandman and the movie pretty much plays out the same as the Theatrical Version (besides them removing the Butler scene).

 

[Symbiotic]

At one point during its development, Spider-Man 3 ballooned into the idea of films 3 and 4, to shoot back-to-back. This also probably had something to do with the huge cluster of plotlines becoming beef stew.

I read somewhere that the reason they canned this idea was that they couldn't find a good stopping point for 3 to lead into 4.

 

[Nardz937]

Despite the headache this has all been, I must say the last few weeks have been a great trip to wake up and read the latest Spider-Man 3 news like it's brand new all over again.

 

[webhead731]

So, does Peter just shower and then cut to him going to Harry? That's odd.

It is stupid because now we see Venom, 10 seconds of showering, and then Venom swinging.

In the original you could kind of sense a couple hour time gap maybe in between those and you can imagine Eddie getting a hang of the suit. Now it is like he is pro in 5 minutes. Dumb.

 

[Krystal]

He was referring to the hypothetical extended cut.

Thank you. Yes, he was answering a question on why the "Editor's cut" didn't include a whole bunch of other stuff known to have been shot.

He and Raimi saw that stuff and decided it was not needed. 139 minute or 137 version(s) are better than the 154+ minute version fans have been asking for -- in his opinion.

And there are 3 significant cut scenes....

Aunt May 2min 39 sec
Peter apologizing to Mr Ditkovich 1min 11 seconds
Bernard the butler scene 1min and 19 seconds

that's 5:09. Then there are a few trims amounting to a few seconds.

The Blu-ray is 139:11
Editor's cut is 137:49----1:22 shorter

If they cut 6 minutes they added in about 4:30 or so.

That's a pretty good estimate after I saw the "Editor's cut" and compared.

I really do prefer the editor's cut in every way -- score, scene arrangement, deletion of butler scene and addition of sandcastle scene.

It is stupid because now we see Venom, 10 seconds of showering, and then Venom swinging.

In the original you could kind of sense a couple hour time gap maybe in between those and you can imagine Eddie getting a hang of the suit. Now it is like he is pro in 5 minutes. Dumb.

He IS a pro instantly. The suit retains all his knowledge and skills as soon as he transfers to Brock.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

That being said, the lack of Venom at the park, seeing Sandman's family still means there is a gaping plot hole to be fixed. Which easily could have, if the, you know...editor kept it in.

 

[Krystal]

Perhaps Parker, after finding out about Marko, researched why he was actually trying to get ahold of money -- beyond simply assuming greed -- and found out the story of Marko's dying daughter and then when the suit bonded with Brock he gained that knowledge.

Peter was obsessively hunting Marko after all. Perhaps he was doing more than just listening to police band radio, but was doing actual detective work on Marko. Maybe the police even told Peter the story of how Marko turned to crime after his daughter's illness. Not a stretch.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Doesn't matter. I shouldn't have to make guesses about things when watching a movie, especially when the footage to fix said guesses exists.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There will be no 3.1, the editors cut is the best you are gonna get.

While Spider-man 3 if the only Raimi Spidey movie i can stand to watch more then 5 minutes of i probably won't bother checking this slightly altered cut out.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I suddenly wonder--where do folks get the idea that Venom met Sandman at the park? As far as I know, that's only in the video game. Is there some evidence that it was actually filmed? For all we know, the sandcastle scene that's in the Editor's Cut may be the whole thing.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I suddenly wonder--where do folks get the idea that Venom met Sandman at the park? As far as I know, that's only in the video game. Is there some evidence that it was actually filmed? For all we know, the sandcastle scene that's in the Editor's Cut may be the whole thing.

The novel, and making of book shows this.