The Amazing Spider-Man "SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold "....NOT!...or Maybe?

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Sending people home for xmas makese sense . I wouldnt be suprised if they were still trying to decide the main villian though. That seems kind of odd to me though , I figured it would take months to develop costumes and such.


Also I guess this means we wont get any news for the next two weeks.
 
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Movies have fallen apart that were much further along then this. See Justice League: Mortal if you want a very relative case. Moneyball is another recent example.

And Burton's Superman fell apart even later - but did these movies fall apart because they didn't like the villain choice? Absolutely not. The villain choice would be one of the first decisions made. I'm not saying that Spider-man 4 is certainly not on rocky ground (though I doubt it is), I'm saying it's ludicrous that a company would allow a director to come in and develop one of these movies and let it get this close to production (when MUCH more would be happening than we realise) and then pull the plug because they don't like a choice which was almost certainly made when the project first started.

It's silly.
 
And Burton's Superman fell apart even later - but did these movies fall apart because they didn't like the villain choice? Absolutely not. The villain choice would be one of the first decisions made. I'm not saying that Spider-man 4 is certainly not on rocky ground (though I doubt it is), I'm saying it's ludicrous that a company would allow a director to come in and develop one of these movies and let it get this close to production (when MUCH more would be happening than we realise) and then pull the plug because they don't like a choice which was almost certainly made when the project first started.

It's silly.

I believe the villian choice is just a tip of the iceberg with what is happening with Raimi. It is silly to think the villian choice would break up production, it is even more silly to think more isn't going on behind the scenes in addition to that.

It's silly to have a writer who worked on one of the drafts of Spiderman 4 dismissed because Raimi didn't approve of him and then the studio rehires said writer to write 5 & 6. That's also silly.

Moneyball was halted 3 days before production because a studio exec didn't like the rewrite on the script. Done.

Hollywood is silly.
 
It's silly to have a writer who worked on one of the drafts of Spiderman 4 dismissed because Raimi didn't approve of him and then the studio rehires said writer to write 5 & 6. That's also silly.

Well, I think Sam Raimi liked some of Vanderbilt's ideas in SM-4, but didn't like all of them. Sony was okay with Raimi hiring David Lindsay-Abaire and Gary Ross to do rewrites... after all, same thing happened during SM-2's development with writers coming in left and right.

Maybe there's a good sequel idea presented in Vanderbilt's drafts that Raimi's keeping in #4. Sony sees dollar signs and snaps Vanderbilt up to write two more films (more cost-effective). And by the time Raimi wraps up SM-4, Sony will have two more scripts to try and lure Raimi back for two more tries.
 
That seems kind of odd to me though , I figured it would take months to develop costumes and such.
Well, I think they already chose the VIllian (VUtlure), but something tells that may not be the case. Tbh, as I said, i think Vultue's an awesome Villian and I'm all for having him in this film. I don't see wh ythe studio would hve a problem with him being the Villian.
 
I still dont see a point for using Vulture.
Vulture clearly isn't the fan favorite villain.
Out of all thoses villain,s why Vulture?
However, I can live with Vulture as the secondary villain.
Still hoping for Electro though.
 
^^ I think the reason for choosing Vulture is because he seems like can fit into the story of the film universe greatly and also makes for some great battles. That's one of the reasons I think Sam knows what he's doing. Heck, I always found VUlture to be a very underrated character. I mean just picture VUlture and Spidey battleing aroudn the Empire State building in mid-air.
 
I believe the villian choice is just a tip of the iceberg with what is happening with Raimi. It is silly to think the villian choice would break up production, it is even more silly to think more isn't going on behind the scenes in addition to that.

It's silly to have a writer who worked on one of the drafts of Spiderman 4 dismissed because Raimi didn't approve of him and then the studio rehires said writer to write 5 & 6. That's also silly.

Moneyball was halted 3 days before production because a studio exec didn't like the rewrite on the script. Done.

Hollywood is silly.

Your talking about Moneyball , the steven soderbergh movie right ?
But IMO it wasn't just a case of a studio exec. not liking a rewrite. It was the head of Sony ( Amy Pascal) seeing that Soderbergh rewrote ( or better yet Steve Zallian rewriting the script as per Soderbergh's wishes) the script and that the movie was different from the one she greenlit.
 
Well, I think Sam Raimi liked some of Vanderbilt's ideas in SM-4, but didn't like all of them. Sony was okay with Raimi hiring David Lindsay-Abaire and Gary Ross to do rewrites... after all, same thing happened during SM-2's development with writers coming in left and right.

Maybe there's a good sequel idea presented in Vanderbilt's drafts that Raimi's keeping in #4. Sony sees dollar signs and snaps Vanderbilt up to write two more films (more cost-effective). And by the time Raimi wraps up SM-4, Sony will have two more scripts to try and lure Raimi back for two more tries.

Lure Raimi back? This is his swan song. Vanderbilt is writing a different Spiderman, a different take. He was brought back by the studio.

Your talking about Moneyball , the steven soderbergh movie right ?
But IMO it wasn't just a case of a studio exec. not liking a rewrite. It was the head of Sony ( Amy Pascal) seeing that Soderbergh rewrote ( or better yet Steve Zallian rewriting the script as per Soderbergh's wishes) the script and that the movie was different from the one she greenlit.

Right exactly, but the point is nothing is an automatic, not even Spider Man, even if people want it to be. I'm not saying this story is definitely true, I'm merely pointing out that it wouldn't be shocking for something like this to happen in Hollywood.
 
I still dont see a point for using Vulture.
Vulture clearly isn't the fan favorite villain.
Out of all thoses villain,s why Vulture?
However, I can live with Vulture as the secondary villain.
Still hoping for Electro though.

I agree with this. The Vulture is pretty lame and might look better on paper then in live action. I can see why the studio wouldn't want to use him . I like the idea of a villan who's actually evil as opposed to misundertood , but Vulture is too silly imo.
 
I still dont see a point for using Vulture.
Vulture clearly isn't the fan favorite villain.
Out of all thoses villain,s why Vulture?
However, I can live with Vulture as the secondary villain.
Still hoping for Electro though.

remember what happened the last time raimi listened to what the fans wanted?

most of the fans hated what they got, myself excluded..
 
I agree with this. The Vulture is pretty lame and might look better on paper then in live action. I can see why the studio wouldn't want to use him . I like the idea of a villan who's actually evil as opposed to misundertood , but Vulture is too silly imo.

Imo, he's one of those villains that could look BETTER in live action. Just look at this and tell me it wouldn't be awesome!
Ben_Kingsley_2.jpg


Vulture could be a really creepy, scary and evil old man. At least I like it.

Not that long ago I also despised the idea of having Vulture as a main villain in any movie, but the more I've thought about it, the more I like the idea. He's definitely underrated. I really liked the idea that was originally supposed to be in Spider-Man 3: Vulture is the really evil and coldhearted mastermind who uses another more powerful villain (Sandman) as his toy and puppet. Also, he is a great technician and creates his own powered up suit with razorsharp wings that he can control (wouldn't be fused to his arms).

He would make for epic battles in the air. And yes, if I'd see that guy in a powersuit and razorsharp wings, I'd seriously piss my pants.

I can definitely see the ideas from Raimi's original Spider-Man 3 draft be used in Spider-Man 4 instead. However, this time, Electro is the powerhouse who doesn't understand his own powers fully until the third act and then becomes the real threat to the whole New York.
 
Yeah, Vulture could easily be made creepy in live action. You have a great choice of fantastic older actors that would just ooze charisma. Ben Kingsley being the perfect choice, he would easily make the Vulture an appealing villain.

As for the spectacle, an aerial battle would be amazing to see.
 
Imo, he's one of those villains that could look BETTER in live action. Just look at this and tell me it wouldn't be awesome!
Ben_Kingsley_2.jpg


Vulture could be a really creepy, scary and evil old man. At least I like it.

Not that long ago I also despised the idea of having Vulture as a main villain in any movie, but the more I've thought about it, the more I like the idea. He's definitely underrated. I really liked the idea that was originally supposed to be in Spider-Man 3: Vulture is the really evil and coldhearted mastermind who uses another more powerful villain (Sandman) as his toy and puppet. Also, he is a great technician and creates his own powered up suit with razorsharp wings that he can control (wouldn't be fused to his arms).

He would make for epic battles in the air. And yes, if I'd see that guy in a powersuit and razorsharp wings, I'd seriously piss my pants.

I can definitely see the ideas from Raimi's original Spider-Man 3 draft be used in Spider-Man 4 instead. However, this time, Electro is the powerhouse who doesn't understand his own powers fully until the third act and then becomes the real threat to the whole New York.
I'm not against Vulture being in the movies if they went that direction with him like they were originally going to. In fact, I think SM3 would have been a better movie without the cramming of the symbiote into an already pretty crowded film. Ben Kingsley was in talks to play him, he would have been perfect. The rumors of how he might tie into the story for SM4 just sound terrible, though. And I would not want to see that Vulture in the movie.
 
^^ I think the reason for choosing Vulture is because he seems like can fit into the story of the film universe greatly and also makes for some great battles. That's one of the reasons I think Sam knows what he's doing. Heck, I always found VUlture to be a very underrated character. I mean just picture VUlture and Spidey battleing aroudn the Empire State building in mid-air.
I agree. (Do I always agree with you? Lol)
 
no doubt with the right look and acton the vulture can be great, the frustrating thing is the sam as been teasing us with the lizard (imho a better villian) for two movies, that's like the prom queen stripping down to her undies and then when you think you are gong to hit it she kisses you on the cheek.
 
no doubt with the right look and acton the vulture can be great, the frustrating thing is the sam as been teasing us with the lizard (imho a better villian) for two movies, that's like the prom queen stripping down to her undies and then when you think you are gong to hit it she kisses you on the cheek.

as long as she's good looking, I'm just happy she's stripping:o
 
Why is everyone assuming it would just be Vulture . I think we will get more than one villian .
 
Why is everyone assuming it would just be Vulture . I think we will get more than one villian .
I think we should be expecting that, too. I just hope it's not the Vulturess.
 
Yeah, it's likely we'll get another villain but if it's a made up female spin off of the Vulture that would be so laaaaaame. Not only does no one wants it but it would not offer anything to the table that the Vulture couldn't. A villain and his sidekick does not count as two villains to me.
 
I believe the villain choice is just a tip of the iceberg with what is happening with Raimi. It is silly to think the villain choice would break up production, it is even more silly to think more isn't going on behind the scenes in addition to that.

It's silly to have a writer who worked on one of the drafts of Spiderman 4 dismissed because Raimi didn't approve of him and then the studio rehires said writer to write 5 & 6. That's also silly.

Moneyball was halted 3 days before production because a studio exec didn't like the rewrite on the script. Done.

Hollywood is silly.

Showy, Showy, Showy...this has got to be one of the most clear, concise, on-the-button statements I have ever read from you.

Oh, Show...if you only knew... :facepalm:


If people would pause and think a second, they'd realize many, many silly Hollywood productions go through tough periods of confusion, mis-communication, disagreements and uncertainty. In fact, that is part of the working process itself between filmmakers/artists and studios, as one is concerned with delivering an artistic statement (and perhaps entertaining), while the other is mainly concerned with delivering a profitable, continuously "rewarding" product.

Why do we hear more about troubles on franchises such as Spider-Man? Well, a lot of that is because these babies are simply much, much bigger films ("tentpoles" for summer or otherwise), and there are simply many more people both working on the films, and concerned with making sure that they become successful.

Concerning Spidey directly, people might also want to consider that all of the Spider-Man films have had their behind-the-scenes wrangles, if you do a little digging -- all the way back to the first one (which took two decades to make, natch).

A lot of you know about how Mr. Maguire was almost replaced on Film 2, and you have poured over the details of "what went wrong" with Film 3. What is different about the "alleged" struggles we're hearing about on this picture?

Well, let's role a scenario together, shall we? You've got one very confident studio, who, despite facilitating heavy arguments about and asserting influence over the last picture, still came out on top, grossing mucho moolah worldwide -- so they see themselves in the right (thus their decision to keep on Vanderbilt and prepare to use his scenario for Films 5 and 6 -- if not sooner). Then, on the other end, you've got a confident, successful filmmaker who, while delivering very successful pictures for the studio, still operates at a bit of a "distance" in terms of establishing his "artistic space" and his "storylines." He was very hesitant to return after the production of Film 3, but he loves the character so much, and the studio offered such an olive branch, that he couldn't turn down one more opportunity to "set things right."

Meanwhile, you've got increasing fan (yeah, you guys) and blockbuster expectations. Whether the choices made for the last film were "right" or not, the way the narrative played out created a pretty huge set of expectations for where the next film might take Spidey, and whom he might face off against.

Couple all this in with a witches' brew of multiple scriptwriters (with various shifting loyalties), bottom-line producers who want to trust the filmmaker, but can't or won't spend another ten million in development costs just to visualize a villain or a stunt that may not be used at all, and an aging lead cast who might have very particular demands of their own regarding characterization and narrative -- and you're in the depths of sticky, sticky situation, with a lot of money at play, a lot of egos to satisfy, and a lot of people at generally high, high levels of stress.

So what is really going on here is...Hollywood 101.

Are things leaking to gauge a reaction? Possibly.

Are some statements you hear not the whole truth? Very likely.

Will Spider-Man 4 get made in its current incarnation? What is its current incarnation?

Prediction cloudy -- check back in 2010. ;)

:ikyn
 
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I hope it is one villian if there is another villian then I hope it is for cannon fodder. we all know peter and mj are going to hog the movie (groan) so I want as much time to develope the villian as possible.

look at SM2, look at peter's plotline now imagine if 'spidey no more' part of the stroy remained the same but instead of just doc ock there was (for example) shocker, the movie would have been a mess.
 
I think, if they go the route they were supposed to originally do in Spider-Man 3 with Vulture being the master of puppets for a more powerful villain for selfish reasons, I think Electro should be that other villain. Vulture and Electro could be really cool and I actually think that's what Raimi wants too, because he said before that if he would direct 4, he would want those two villains.
 
Sounds good to me . Also Spider-man two worked out really well with just one villian but i don't think they could carry a film with just the Vulture. There would have to be more story involved.
 
Vulture as only villain won't work. No way.
Storywise, maybe..but marketing-wise, it's a failure.
They better add another villain if they want to use Vulture.
 
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