Ock's four little friends make the difference. They are, collectively stronger than Spider-Man. They also keep Spidey from landing full contact blows on Ock. Kraven has no such protection. And again, as far as visuals, Ocks tentacles can cause damage that Kraven couldn't. You couldn't have an epic battle like the Train Fight with Kraven.
Doc Ock four friends didn't keep Spidey from landing multiple blows to his face on the clock tower.
They've mentioned tons of villains in passing. They mentioned the Goblinettes. It doesn't mean you're going to see them on film.
Even when we finally get The Lizard, unlike Ock and GG, he won't be alone. My fear is them picking the wrong secondary villain if The Lizard is the villain. My gut feeling is telling me The Lizard and Black Cat.
First, my head isn't in the cartoons. As I said, I don't even really like Spec Spidey. I'm saying that they acknowledged that Kraven isn't a great threat to Spidey. And who says the writers are weak? They're interpreting Kraven based on the source material.
The greatest threat in that cartoon is probably Tombstone, who slapped Spidey eye to eye, which is why I see why you don't like the show. No ones a threat if you half ass the writing. I don't like any of the A-Listers in that toon.
And sorry pal, Spidey 3's problems were not in having villains that were great visuals. That was its saving grace.
Yes, a saving grace for Raimi & Sony's pockets. But for the audience at large, it wasn't worth trying to be saved with over blown CGI. It needed a great script. These so called great visuals that you seek did absolutely nothing to save that film.
They likely aren't using the Lizard at all at this point. We don't know which villains are being used. It's only rumored that Raimi wants the Vulture and the studio doesn't.
Yes, that's what I said about SM3, The Lizard will definitely be in this one, and most likely by himself sense it worked better for the other two films. Yet, I'm still waiting. We'll see, after everyone thought that Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer was a rumor, I'm not putting anything pass Raimi & Friends...this includes The Vulture, Sony not wanting The Lizard because we wouldn't see Connors' face (which is why we have a maskless Spider-Man running around in every flick) and his daughter Vultress or Vulturette or whomever.
You should already know that Spidey pulls his punches. Especially since MJ was being held captive, so totalling Ock would have meant her death. But Spidey did in fact knock him out during the final fight and knocked him out during the bank fight. But as has been mentioned by Joker, the A.I. of the tentacles revive him. It even shows the tentacles lifting his unconscioous body and then he awakes after being thrown into the taxi.
Yeah, let's call upon the A.I. tentacles when things don't make sense, Doc Ock should be in a comma after being hit by Spider-Man, now you wanna play pulling punches. But with Kraven, who has superhuman strength gets punched (who's endurance is much greater than that of Ock's), I get no deal.
So I guess you also want to debate nearly 50 years of comics continuity then- because that's what been happening in the comics for nearly 5 decades. One could argue that Spidey's Spider sense is that much more acute when dealing with gunfire, since while he can survive being hit by a bag of coins, he can't survive a barrage of bullets.
Come on, I'm good for it. Ock shouldn't be able to lift heavy objects in the comics (for nearly 50 years) because the weight of huge objects would crush his lower body, yet, he does it like he has super strength. And I'll debate Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets like an Agent from The Matrix, as well. What's continuity if it make no sense in occurrence to the character's powers. Should he start flying too.
No, you're wrong. I said he can dodge bullets, and he can.
Okay, so he's The Flash...I get you.
Yeah, actually they are pretty swift. But he's fighting villains who can match his speed on some level. The Goblin was as strong and fast as Spidey. Ock's tentacles react at the speed of thought. Sandman's fluid body can move as fast as Spidey's as well. And we all know about Venom. Kraven isn't in any of their class. Why do you think that in the story which presented Kraven's greatest victory over Spidey he needed such an elaborate set up: and... A GUN? (Not to mention Spidey being written as a total dumbass)
Yeah, okay, how fast was Spidey when the Goblin gassed him at the Daily Bugle. Where was this swift movement you speak of? Not as fast as dodging a bullet then, the fool was gassed and falling to his death. And The Goblin gassed him slower than the crawl of a newborn.
The swiftness of Ock's tentacles should have blocked all of Spidey's blows during the clock tower fight. Yeah, his tentacles react at the speed of thought, eh, what was Ock thinking...I want to get punched multiple times in the face?
Sandman's abilities has nothing to do with speed at all, the guy is pretty much indestructible. He's actually, the toughest Spider-Man villain to beat in these films, but don't tell that to a Doc Ock or Green Goblin fan, they'll bring up the vacuum cleaner.
Yes, we all know Venom, whom you also said Spider-Man was written like a total dumbass when he kicks Spidey's ass. Now, it's Kraven. You wanna just make a list of the villains that you don't think should ever kick Spider-Man's ass in the comics. And why would I care about how a villain beats Spider-Man, I don't care if they use bombs, razor bats, toss the head of Gwen Stacy around, hide Mary Jane's feet in the cookie jar or use a crowbar, they're freakin' villains.
