The Amazing Spider-Man "SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold "....NOT!...or Maybe?

[samsnee]

I lay the blame at Sony more than Raimi. You would think they would have more confidence in him as director and realize that when they got their way on the third film, it blew up in their faces. Yes, I realize it still made a buttload of money, but fool me once you know...

 

[SpeterMan3]

This is really a fifty/fifty chance.SM2 went through numerous rewrites with villains coming and going,subplots as well.SM2 turned out great.On the Flip side SM3 had studio/Rami conflicts to the point that two different scripts were written at the same time(One with Venom another with Vulture.)So it could turn out like SM3 which would be bad.This could really go either way.I'm gonna wait for a trailer or at the very least more Info.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Someon throw Raimi off th edamn project already and get a fresh new cast, director, AND direction for this beloved prooperty instead of succombing to melodramatic Dawson's Creek esque plots that don't utilize the charm and trademark humor of the hero Spider-Man.

I'm so sick of Raimi, Sony's ineptness to find someone who understands Spider-Man and his mythos.

What a poor and sad parade of events. Makes me wanna puke.

Hold on, why are you blaming Raimi here? It sounds like Raimi is the only reason this movie has a chance of being good. What have we learnt today? That Sony was interfering with Raimi's story and forcing the rewrites to try and tie his vision to theirs, that Sony was the party who wanted a romantic subplot in The Black Cat and had forced this into Raimi's script and that Sony is refusing to cast Anne Hathaway because she'd cost too much and they think they can sell it with a lesser name.

WHY are you blaming Raimi, who told them their ideas were stupid and refused to film them, and who will not let them go cheap on the cast and insisting that Malkovich be cast. It takes a lot for a director to stand up to the studio like that, particularly when that director can be replaced easily. If any good comes from Spider-man 4, it will be because Raimi refused to direct a bastardised version of the characters, and refused to compromise the production quality to save a buck.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

In the end they wisely decided to just have Ock as the solo bad guy. But Avi Arad, the stupid idiot, actually seriously considered an idea where Doc Ock would be younger, and romantically infatuated with MJ.

I swear to god that man has no idea about Spider-Man at all.

I love the entire SM trilogy and other marvel movies, but that moron needs to be fired.

 

[kedrell]

Hold on, why are you blaming Raimi here? It sounds like Raimi is the only reason this movie has a chance of being good. What have we learnt today? That Sony was interfering with Raimi's story and forcing the rewrites to try and tie his vision to theirs, that Sony was the party who wanted a romantic subplot in The Black Cat and had forced this into Raimi's script and that Sony is refusing to cast Anne Hathaway because she'd cost too much and they think they can sell it with a lesser name.

WHY are you blaming Raimi, who told them their ideas were stupid and refused to film them, and who will not let them go cheap on the cast and insisting that Malkovich be cast. It takes a lot for a director to stand up to the studio like that, particularly when that director can be replaced easily. If any good comes from Spider-man 4, it will be because Raimi refused to direct a bastardised version of the characters, and refused to compromise the production quality to save a buck.

Too late. Should have started that 10 years ago.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Too late. Should have started that 10 years ago.

Well, I was going to say that myself but thought it took a little away from my point. The only bad version of Spider-man I think Raimi has submitted to is Spider-man 3, though. Look at the casts of Batman and Iron Man and you see names like RDJ, Bale, Caine, Freeman, Oldman, Rourke, Paltrow, Gyllenhaal, Johannsen, Ledger, Neeson, Rockwell, Bridges, Howard, Cheadle etc.

Like those are BIG names. Even the names that aren't big come with some sort of prestige and caliber. Why Sony thinks they can get by without a name like Hathaway - who it sounds like is willing, even with the script problems, is beyond me. She brings a level of fame and credibility that Spider-man hasn't seen in a long time.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Hold on, why are you blaming Raimi here? It sounds like Raimi is the only reason this movie has a chance of being good. What have we learnt today? That Sony was interfering with Raimi's story and forcing the rewrites to try and tie his vision to theirs, that Sony was the party who wanted a romantic subplot in The Black Cat and had forced this into Raimi's script and that Sony is refusing to cast Anne Hathaway because she'd cost too much and they think they can sell it with a lesser name.

WHY are you blaming Raimi, who told them their ideas were stupid and refused to film them, and who will not let them go cheap on the cast and insisting that Malkovich be cast. It takes a lot for a director to stand up to the studio like that, particularly when that director can be replaced easily. If any good comes from Spider-man 4, it will be because Raimi refused to direct a bastardised version of the characters, and refused to compromise the production quality to save a buck.

I'm tired of Raimi's simplistic storytelling and direction of his actors. Not to mention his disconnect of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I like some of what he did, but I'm tired of his vision. It's never what I expected Spider-Man to be on screen. I want a fresh and less waterdowned take on my favorite childhood character.

 

[Sawyer]

Hey everyone! Scream out loud if you're surprised by this!

*crickets*

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[:eek:]

After the lame third movie I wouldn't mind if this got delayed to 2012 or later if that means an improvement qualitywise

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The studio is right. Vulture can not hold a movie.

That's not really all the true, if you ask me. He may not be as popular as some of the other Villians, but who else are we going to use? Besides, he could make for a great story, as i've said. The studio should just give him a chance, seriously.

 

[JackMercy]

I love how a lot of these websites and forum geniuses were claiming that Rob over at IESB didn't know what he was talking about and wasn't credible. Now that Nikki Finke and Variety "broke" the news, people start paying attention.

Nikki Finke is the "Queen of Hollyweird" and she is always right on the money, but she should credit Rob, that's minor league. I don't expect Variety to credit any of the website/blogs, because they never do.

I told you to 'Check back in 2010'

I've said it more than once...never doubt the Finke.

But yeah, at least The Hollywood Reporter dignified IESB with a mention...shame how little respect some of you guys get these days, despite all the attention and presumably business interest you bring to the genre and the industry in general...

Many scoffed when Finke scooped the Norton/Hulk debacle as well...look how that turned out? (I don't know about you, but I didn't see ol' Ed do very much promotion for what was hoped to be a big budget summer event film). However, Hulk's a unique case on film, to me...I'm not sure if it would have grossed more either way...

...Though that sounds like peanuts compared to what Sony and co. are going through with this franchise...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

We better get something at Comic-Con because I'm going for the sole purpose of seeing it.

Oh, don't worry, there's a 90% chance we'll see something. Actually about 100%. Especially if it's a poster, but, I'm sure we'll get a teaser trailer of some kind.

 

[echostation]

Maybe it'll turn out that the Vulture/Ed Tooms is the guy who was flying around with his wings and dropped the gun on some random sidewalk that was coincidentally picked up by Sandman and his thug partner 5 minutes before they used the same gun to kill Uncle Ben!!!

THAT WOULD TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER... WIN!

 

[FaT_tONle]

Hey, look what Nikki Finke is confirming
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I don't see how July 2011 will work with TF3/HP8, and a Disney movie (either Cap/POTC) there. If they rush for May the movie will be a mess as far as I am concerned, unless Sargeant's script hits it out of the ball park. I doubt it will. SM3 tells us to blame the studio, but for this particular instance, I can't really blame Sony for having a problem with Vulture as the main baddy. I don't see why they can't just add Electro or another scrub, or bring back Gwen Stacy (even if they recast) for a love interest. I don't have any problem recasting Bryce.

This might be the perfect opportunity for Marvel to bump Thor to May 6th and position Captain America to make it impossible for Sony to position SM4 in a flexible summer 2011 date. Maybe force them to move to the following winter and take a cue from Avatar's BO. 2012 is too far for a sequel, they may as well start over if that's the case.

 

[bapi]

SHH looks funny now.

Well, Sargent is terrible and he´s the Sony guy so the studio has 100% of control.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Someon throw Raimi off th edamn project already and get a fresh new cast, director, AND direction for this beloved prooperty instead of succombing to melodramatic Dawson's Creek esque plots that don't utilize the charm and trademark humor of the hero Spider-Man.

I'm so sick of Raimi, Sony's ineptness to find someone who understands Spider-Man and his mythos.

What a poor and sad parade of events. Makes me wanna puke.

I'm tired of Raimi's simplistic storytelling and direction of his actors. Not to mention his disconnect of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I like some of what he did, but I'm tired of his vision. It's never what I expected Spider-Man to be on screen. I want a fresh and less waterdowned take on my favorite childhood character.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Maybe it'll turn out that the Vulture/Ed Tooms is the guy who was flying around with his wings and dropped the gun on some random sidewalk that was coincidentally picked up by Sandman and his thug partner 5 minutes before they used the same gun to kill Uncle Ben!!!

THAT WOULD TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER... WIN!

"Ed Tooms", huh?

 

[mclay18]

You realize that Vanderbilt is working on Spider Man 5 & 6 right now, which is being set up as a reboot to the Spider Man series.

Yeah, but... still, they look to be just sequels with the main lead actors re-cast and with a new director. A reboot in a sense.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Look, I don’t necessarily blame Sony, because I understand the function, of who they are. They for the most part see the bottom line, and that drives a lot of their decision making… so that’s not so unexpected, imo. However, that is not to say I don’t like their attitude and approach. They obviously felt comfortable in hiring him in the first place; give him the freedom to exercise his vision.
　
But, I hate to burst Raimi supporters bubble, Raimi is primarily the blame here. Regardless of studio interference(which is common), he is still responsible for producing a quality and artistic product, understanding of the project at hand, and use all the resources available within reason. He failed, imo, in two of the three.
　
The franchise was doom from the beginning when he treated the films as stand-alone projects with minimal ties/relation to each other. That shows lack of direction/forward vision; in other words, where to go from one film to the next. Also, choosing Green Goblin(the most dangerous antagonist) as the franchise first villain is a huge blunder. Follow me here… you never start off with the biggest villain during an origin. Build up to him while the title character get more comfortable and skill with his surrounding, life, and new found powers; and face him off against lesser villains who may or may not apprize elaborate plans and schemes.
　
What even worst, not only did we not get to see the genius of the great manipulator; but, Raimi killed him and later his son. Oscorps could have been an avenue to a lot of stories and villains(origin and/or for hire). It’s this lack of understanding and character usage that I for one detest.
　
Sam Raimi was wrong for this franchise because he is use to making stand-alone films(with sequels) and popcorn. Nothing mature, with real continuity… and never use his best attribute except briefly in SM2, his horror roots. He should have demanded freedom for his artistic vision and/or had the respect to leave franchise if pressured to do what he’s uncomfortable with. Many directors have done that, he has been around long enough to know how it’s played, and I suspect he stayed because like Sony, it was his avenue to a huge paycheck and more notoriety.

 

[Silver Knight]

This movie AINT comeing out in 2011.

 

[night0205]

When you become a film director that get's in the position to make a spider-man movie, then you can make it your way. This is a business, and businesses only care about money. Raimi on the other hand, cares about his vision as well. So Raimi's vision and the Sony's wallet are the only things that are debating here. Vulture on the other hand, is not a good enough villain, period. We probably don't even know half the story, so it's premature to talk about, but whatever. Fans will complain about everything, but ultimately the more work that goes into the script, the better the movie will be. I doubt Spider-man will ever be completely rebooted, sense it's already got a Trilogy established. They will eventually replace actors, and make more money. Sony will never allow a piggy bank like Spider-man to fall back to Marvel, never, because money is all they care about, and Spider-man is a cow full of it, or a pig, or something like that.

 

[batdude]

This is a big mess, but without Raimi it would be a disaster.

 

[night0205]

It's OK, when Raimi quits, they can get Brett Ratner. He loves making movies!

 

[Octoberist]

I'm tired of Raimi's simplistic storytelling and direction of his actors. Not to mention his disconnect of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I like some of what he did, but I'm tired of his vision. It's never what I expected Spider-Man to be on screen. I want a fresh and less waterdowned take on my favorite childhood character.

I see what you're saying but I think there's a good amount of people who liked Spidey 1 and 2. Despite what you thought of them, in the eyes of many, they were quality movies.

I disagreed with some of the changes in the movies (Mary Jane, the lack of Spidey's wit) but I cannot let my 'geekiness' blind me.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't see how July 2011 will work with TF3/HP8, and a Disney movie (either Cap/POTC) there. If they rush for May the movie will be a mess as far as I am concerned, unless Sargeant's script hits it out of the ball park. I doubt it will. SM3 tells us to blame the studio, but for this particular instance, I can't really blame Sony for having a problem with Vulture as the main baddy. I don't see why they can't just add Electro or another scrub, or bring back Gwen Stacy (even if they recast) for a love interest. I don't have any problem recasting Bryce.

This might be the perfect opportunity for Marvel to bump Thor to May 6th and position Captain America to make it impossible for Sony to position SM4 in a flexible summer 2011 date. Maybe force them to move to the following winter and take a cue from Avatar's BO. 2012 is too far for a sequel, they may as well start over if that's the case.

Man, I doubt a dude like that can fix a script in a short amount of time, especially if nobody can decide what villain they want to use. That's just super important, so I'm guessing it'll be a 2012 release. Not a big deal because 2011 is BLOATED.