The Amazing Spider-Man "SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold "....NOT!...or Maybe?

[night0205]

Well, as far as Spider-man goes, the movies have been great because of what Peter Parker is doing. Not really about the villain, but the villain obviously contributes to what Peter Parker is doing. They connect the villains to Peter Parker, but the villains by themselves aren't really that amazing. Green Goblin was just a guy who experimented on himself and went crazy. Doc Ock was just a guy who was experimenting and was taken over by demonic robotic arms, and then just wanted to complete his experiment in resulting in blowing up New York City. These aren't amazing complex villains. What I like about Sam Raimi is he makes the movies about Peter Parker. You may not like the Peter Parker that Sam Raimi has created, but it's the Peter Parker that we got. And for what he is, they do a good job. Spider-man 1 was the Origin of Peter Parker choosing to be a hero. Spider-man 2 was realizing the consequences and giving up being a hero, but then being a hero anyways because he is a hero. Spider-man 3 just...got taken over by demonic meteor poop and went Dark Peter on us, set on revenge for the ACTUAL person who killed Uncle Ben... wow really? Sandman accidentally did it? He's unlucky. It didn't really work, or make sense, and Sam Raimi should stick to directing, not writing.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I still maintain that they shouldn't of killed Norman off. He should of been THE re-occuring menace for the franchise. Maybe not actually as Green Goblin, but as we've seen in recent years, Osborne doesn't have to be in green and on the glider to be a menace to Spidey and other heroes.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Bane is a good villain though. They just turned him into a mindless goon.

In comics there isn't really any bad characters, they can just be written terribly. All characters have some amount of potential if given to the right writers.

meh, I don't hate carnage, but lately, I've only been able to recently see him as someone who was only created to bank off eddie brock/venom's success. Is that weird?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well no...because that IS what he was created for. Coz he looks cool and the kids love symbiotes. The 90s was such a terrible time for Marvel. I'm so glad the only book of Marvels I read was Deadpool back then.

But like I said, Carnage maybe a shallow villain right now, but you give him to a good writer who is great at writing nut cases like Charlie Huston, and he could be an interesting character.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Ok. I was about seven at the time when the symbiotes were rising, soo...lol

I'm not saying he can't be done either, but please, as much as I love SM3, hell, as much as I Love symbiotes, let's leave them be for the Spider-Man universe. at least till gets made

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Agreed.

 

[Oscorp]

Actually, I think Vulture is one of those villains that probably would look better on film than in the comics and cartoons. Just saying...

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I think Sony wants the Spider franchise to up the anit a lil bit and maybe the script doesn't do it...some people are tired of the mj/peter/3rd wheel relationship and they want more...he's been the rogue hero for 3 films now and imo I think its time for an ally to show I dont' care if its Black Cat or Silver Sable, but as I said in another thread a crime lord should up, i.e. Silvermane,Tombstone,Hammerhead,etc w/a side villian like Vulture or Hobgoblin that serves the plot..I don't knw I think its time to show the crime side of New York and not the "happy" city as its been so far....

 

[Figs]

After reading that recent interview with Tobey about the delay this movie had better be damn good. What he said about Spider-Man evolving and moving forward, that was about the umpteenth time I've heard that from people working on this film.

It better be something impactful in his life...and not only dealing with MJ.

 

[roach]

I just read the new script...Norman shoots at Peter and hits Aunt May. Peter gives up his relationship with MJ to Mephisto (Played by JQ) and the movie morphs into Spider-man 2

 

[ultimatefan]

One way or another, it´s good to see he´s still very much involved with the proccess and contributing with ideas, instead of just showing to shoot and collecting his paycheck. Much as he has repeated it, and some fanboys deny it, Peter indeed has had an evolution as a character, even though he still has his nerdiness - let´s face it, nerds don´t become "cool" people once they´re in college, but in SM2 he was taking the toll of being SM, and in SM3 he was a lot more confident, to the point of being sometimes arrogant - which led to his fall into darkness -, and not all was motivated by MJ, he´s also been worried about his studies, about keeping a job, about salvaging his friendship with Harry, Aunt May, etc.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am also in the crowd that didn't want Venom in SM3.

That said, yes the villains are big parts of Peter's struggle, and this is why Vulture can be used effectively. He is not just a Sandman or Electro like henchman with powers. He is an intelligent man whom got his powers through his own ingenuity. Combine his intelligence with some awesome aerial duals (that could even surpass what they did with Peter and Harry in SM3), and you have an awesome villain.

Like I said, if Raimi is going to bat for Vulture like this, then he has an idea of how to use him effectively. If Sony let him do it, this would be a good sign to me.

 

[The Joker]

I didn't want Venom in any Spidey movie because I think he's a pretty lousy villain. That said, I think Raimi, who didn't care for the character either, gave him much better motivations to hate Peter than the comic book version has.

 

[Nightmare]

You mean, you didnt enjoy the full 5 minutes venom was on screen?

 

[The Joker]

You mean, you didnt enjoy the full 5 minutes venom was on screen?

Only the part where he jumped into the pumpkin bomb and got blown up

 

[Oscorp]

I didn't want Venom in any Spidey movie because I think he's a pretty lousy villain. That said, I think Raimi, who didn't care for the character either, gave him much better motivations to hate Peter than the comic book version has.

Agreed! And I don't see how people can get so mad because Venom got killed off. Green Goblin, Spidey's arch nemesis, got killed off in the origin movie, so why is it less justice to kill Venom? Yeah sure, Venom wasn't given much screen time, but with his origin and all, that's pretty much what he gets and in those few minutes, he served his purpous. For Green Goblin though, there are lots of other things left.

 

[dark_b]

spiderman fans in denial

 

[The Lizard]

Yep, I'm once again feeling relief that the Lizard most likely won't be part of this mess.

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Here's a small interview with Dafoe about possibly returning for SM4: http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/469248/has-willem-dafoe-retired-the-green-goblin.jhtml

 

[Deaths Head II]

Things really don't sound good for this film, but then again I kind of figured S4 wouldn't break the 4th super hero movie curse just like S3 didn't break the 3rd super hero movie curse.

 

[E-Man]

I still maintain that they shouldn't of killed Norman off. He should of been THE re-occuring menace for the franchise. Maybe not actually as Green Goblin, but as we've seen in recent years, Osborne doesn't have to be in green and on the glider to be a menace to Spidey and other heroes.

I wouldn't hate that happening, but I don't mind them trying to have a variety of villains for Spidey to tackle. Reoccurring villains sometimes can get a little boring. I love Magneto, but honestly I got sick of seeing him all the time by the third X-Men movie. Spider-man has so many villains that it would be hard to just keep one in multiple movies. Of course I know you meant that Norman Osborn could give Spider-man trouble outside of being the Green Goblin, but his death did create an interesting storyline with Harry.

Norman can come back too. It happened in the comics, and I'm sure they could work it into a sequel if they wanted to. When you have a guy getting his powers by being bitten by a radioactive spier, almost anything is possible story wise.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Nice interview with Tobey. I think they just keep saying "evolve" because they're trying to keep alot of things a secret.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The death of Norman Osborn is classic in Spider-Man lore. There is no point in keeping Norman alive after he already has been the Green Goblin, so I agree with Sam on killing Norman in SM1. Plus, it created the best arc for Harry. I think perhaps in retrospect, Ock in SM1 and the Goblin in SM2, with an adaptation of the Gwen Stacy story in SM2 may have been the better way to go, but I love SM1 and SM2, so I won't complain.

But, I also feel bringing Norman back from the dead in the 90's was a huge mistake, and they have long since crapped on Spider-Man's greatest story with the additions of Goblin babies and such. Norman was better for Spider-Man and Marvel dead than alive. This whole thing he has going on right now in Marvel doesn't justify his comeback to me either.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Huh? He is brilliant at the moment I think. He's better as a threat to the whole MU instead of just a Spidey villain.

The way it's showing him slowing unraveling is great. Read Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts, trust me, probably the best Osborne has ever been written. Yes even better than the original Spidey run he was in. IMO anyway.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I agree that Norman should have stayed dead. The fact his return was part of the Clone Saga is proof enough that it was a dumb idea.