Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[ironwez20]

No one ''deserves'' anything. You either own it or not. That's how ownership and licenses work. Marvel sold their right to the license. They did so willingly. They deserve nothing. I don't care if the hands of the franchise would be better in their hands or not. You sell something, you forfeit your claim. Case closed

Ok cool. And I don’t care if they sold the rights willingly. They were desperate and trying to save the company. Sony doesn’t know how to handle the rights. You may be cool with mediocre movies and Avi arad and Tom Rothman but some of us aren’t and a lot of us believe Sony doesn’t deserve the rights and haven’t learned anything. Marvel saved the brand. So who is more deserving here? The guys who almost killed the franchise or the guys that saved it.

Again I don’t care if they bought the rights fair in square. Many studios bought the marvel rights. They don’t deserve ownership that’s it. Case closed.
Made 3 movies and fumbled poorly. A cartoon movie made by the animation studio and a decent venom movie won’t change anything.
This isn’t as simple as some car it’s a franchise and it was sold out of desperation.

 

[DyeLorean]

Sorry to go offtopic, but does anyone know if the Extended Cut will be available on digital and/or blu-ray? Or was just for theaters?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ok cool. And I don’t care if they sold the rights willingly. They were desperate and trying to save the company. Sony doesn’t know how to handle the rights. You may be cool with mediocre movies and Avi arad and Tom Rothman but some of us aren’t and a lot of us believe Sony doesn’t deserve the rights and haven’t learned anything. Marvel saved the brand. So who is more deserving here? The guys who almost killed the franchise or the guys that saved it.

Again I don’t care if they bought the rights fair in square. Many studios bought the marvel rights. They don’t deserve ownership that’s it. Case closed.
Made 3 movies and fumbled poorly. A cartoon movie made by the animation studio and a decent venom movie won’t change anything.
This isn’t as simple as some car it’s a franchise and it was sold out of desperation.

I never said I was okay with mediocre films. I wish the deal got extended same as anyone. But that doesn't change the fact that Marvel sold their claim to the character for films to Sony and the current deal was fulfilled on both sides for the share agreement. What I or you want doesn't matter. Reason for sale doesn't matter one bit. The fact is they sold their claim to Spider-Man films. It's not an opinion, it's a legal fact.

 

[Ninjablade]

Sorry to go offtopic, but does anyone know if the Extended Cut will be available on digital and/or blu-ray? Or was just for theaters?

I think it's just for theaters. They seem to be packaging the majority of the cut stuff as a little short film in the special features.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Sorry to go offtopic, but does anyone know if the Extended Cut will be available on digital and/or blu-ray? Or was just for theaters?

I see the Peter's checklist thing is a special feature, but nothing indicating the release has 2 cuts on it sadly

 

[ironwez20]

I never said I was okay with mediocre films. I wish the deal got extended same as anyone. But that doesn't change the fact that Marvel sold their claim to the character for films to Sony and the current deal was fulfilled on both sides for the share agreement. What I or you want doesn't matter. Reason for sale doesn't matter one bit. The fact is they sold their claim to Spider-Man films. It's not an opinion, it's a legal fact.

It should matter. Cause they made the deal to save Spider-Man from the very idiots who got control again. So yes it’s a legal thing but we are now back to square one. It’s crazy how Sony made a deal to help the character then pull out once it makes a billion. Absolutely mind boggling. Like venom and morbius or the kraven movie can hit that.

 

[Frodo]

At this point , its basically out of our hands and its really up to both studios to come back to the table and work something out.

Even if SM3 is dud , I highly doubt Rothman's ego would allow him to go back to Disney the way alot of fans seem to think he would.

If Rothman is the terrible boss and guy who everyone says he is, then that guy is not gonna go begging to Disney if the next film is a dud. He's gonna reboot, and ditch Holland.

If anything, I don't see why fanboys think that the same guy they say," is horrible , destroyed X Men, and will destroy Spiderman" would suddenly have the wisdom , be contrite , and beg Disney to help with Spiderman.

I could see Japan mandating it if need be, but the idea that Rothman would suddenly see the error of his ways and go back to Disney after a failure I find hard to believe.

 

[DyeLorean]

Oh, shame. Thanks!

 

[shinlyle]

I see the Peter's checklist thing is a special feature, but nothing indicating the release has 2 cuts on it sadly

Spider-Man Far From Home 1.5 will have it on there right before the next movie comes out...

KIDDING! I hope they are done with the double-dipping of the Raimi trilogy days.

 

[fan4stic]

Because Spider-Man is a marvel property? And marvel delivered the 1st billion dollar spidey movie while Sony almost killed the brand. You seriously asking why it needs to be saved? Are people forgetting everything that happened?
Seriously do people remember why the deal was made in the first place? The brand was dying and mcu characters were getting more love than Spider-Man

Spider-Man movie rights are apparently currently held by Sony.

That doesn't Marvel is automatically entitled to it or that it needs to be saved. It's doesn't really need anything.

 

[Herofan]

Because Spider-Man is a marvel property?

Marvel had mistreated the character a lot recently including having him make a deal with the devil to undo his marriage and killing him off and making him a billionaire with his company.

But Marvel sold his film rights to Sony.

Yes, and in part because they had overused and misused Spider-Man, the X-Men and their comic characters generally so much they went through bankrupt.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel had mistreated the character a lot recently including having him make a deal with the devil to undo his marriage and killing him off and making him a billionaire with his company.



Yes, and in part because they had overused and misused Spider-Man, the X-Men and their comic characters generally so much they went through bankrupt.

Once again, the reason for the sale ultimately is meaningless. Fact is they willingly sold the film rights.

People want to keep pushing this narrative that Sony took something that wasn't theirs or that Marvel is somehow some type of victim. They are not. Sony took advantage of a situation. Marvel came to them with the option to sell the film right, in fact could have ended up with the entire Marvel Library if rumors are to be believed, but they made the deal to take the film rights to Spider-Man. Marvel got what they needed at the time, which was to stay in business. Marvel did all of this of their own accord. They are not a victim. Marvel is lucky they even got to use the character in the five films that they did. By not extending the deal, Sony is not doing anything wrong. This narrative that somehow they're the bad guy and Marvel Studios is a victim is just patently false in an example of corporate loyalty

 

[ironwez20]

Spider-Man movie rights are apparently currently held by Sony.

That doesn't Marvel is automatically entitled to it or that it needs to be saved. It's doesn't really need anything.

So you don’t think the brand almost dying before isn’t grounds for it to be saved? Ok

 

[ironwez20]

Marvel had mistreated the character a lot recently including having him make a deal with the devil to undo his marriage and killing him off and making him a billionaire with his company.



Yes, and in part because they had overused and misused Spider-Man, the X-Men and their comic characters generally so much they went through bankrupt.

That’s the comics we are talking about the movies

 

[Frodo]

So you don’t think the brand almost dying before isn’t grounds for it to be saved? Ok

The Spiderman brand and the Spiderman film franchise are too seperate things.The risk wasn't that the Spiderman brand would die. It would have taken alot more then ASM 2 kill the Spiderman brand.

The Spiderman brand has always been successful through toys, comics, cartoons, and other licensing ,regardless of the films.

Sony did however kill the ASM series and the Raimi series. Marvel's job was to rejuvenate the Spiderman film franchise in general which is different from the Spiderman brand. So in that sense the Spiderman film franchise did need saving.

Marvel did save Spiderman as a film franchise for Sony.

 

[ironwez20]

The Spiderman brand and the Spiderman film franchise are too seperate things.The risk wasn't that the Spiderman brand would die. It would have taken alot more then ASM 2 kill the Spiderman brand.

The Spiderman brand has always been successful through toys, comics, cartoons, and other licensing ,regardless of the films.

Sony did however kill the ASM series and the Raimi series. Marvel's job was to rejuvenate the Spiderman film franchise in general which is different from the Spiderman brand. So in that sense the Spiderman film franchise did need saving.

Marvel did save Spiderman as a film franchise for Sony.

Yes so it’s silly to think it won’t need saving after the film franchise failed. It wasn’t about to die but the brand was so damaged that z list characters were more popular. So of course it’s a big red flag when the company who handles the brand poorly

 

[Frodo]

Yes so it’s silly to think it won’t need saving after the film franchise failed. It wasn’t about to die but the brand was so damaged that z list characters were more popular. So of course it’s a big red flag when the company who handles the brand poorly

I said pretty clearly in the post that Disney saved the film franchise for Sony ,so I don't know what argument you're trying to make, or what you claim I'm arguing.

I supported reboot the franchise after ASM 2, and for Feige coming in to save the film franchise and I also hoped that the deal would be extended for years to come. The film franchise did need saving . There's no argument there.

What I disagree with is your assertion that the Spiderman brand itself, meaning toys, comics, cartoons, and merchandise were all dying until Disney Marvel came along and that's simple not true.

Spiderman was then, and still is one, of the most popular and beloved brands and characters regardless of how good or bad the films were. That is in spite of Sony's blunders. You may not believe or accept that ,but that's reality.

I'm not sure which Z list characters you're referring to, but if you're talking about Cap , Iron man pre- The MCU, you have to realize that to the GA, they were consider new in 2008-2012. Unlike Batman, Superman, Spiderman, and the X Men, they hadn't had several films and they weren't known to the mainstream for several decades. Audiences came to them with no preconceptions or bias the way the come to Batman or Superman.

The MCU films were more popular than the Sony Spiderman films in the mid 20 teens, because the MCU films were better and they knew what they were doing unlike Sony.

But going far beyond that to claim the Spiderman Brand was dying a fading away because of Iron Man , GOTG, Cap, is reaching. You don't even need to make a claim like that to demonstrate Sony's track record in running the franchise into the ground.

 

[ironwez20]

I said pretty clearly in the post that Disney saved the film franchise for Sony ,so I don't know what argument you're trying to make, or what you claim I'm arguing.

I supported reboot the franchise after ASM 2, and for Feige coming in to save the film franchise and I also hoped that the deal would be extended for years to come. The film franchise did need saving . There's no argument there.

What I disagree with is your assertion that the Spiderman brand itself, meaning toys, comics, cartoons, and merchandise were all dying until Disney Marvel came along and that's simple not true.

Spiderman was then, and still is one, of the most popular and beloved brands and characters regardless of how good or bad the films were. That is in spite of Sony's blunders. You may not believe or accept that ,but that's reality.

I'm not sure which Z list characters you're referring to, but if you're talking about Cap , Iron man pre- The MCU, you have to realize that to the GA, they were consider new in 2008-2012. Unlike Batman, Superman, Spiderman, and the X Men, they hadn't had several films and they weren't known to the mainstream for several decades. Audiences came to them with no preconceptions or bias the way the come to Batman or Superman.

The MCU films were more popular than the Sony Spiderman films in the mid 20 teens, because the MCU films were better and they knew what they were doing unlike Sony.

But going far beyond that to claim the Spiderman Brand was dying a fading away because of Iron Man , GOTG, Cap, is reaching. You don't even need to make a claim like that to demonstrate Sony's track record in running the franchise into the ground.

I wasn’t arguing with you tho? And How was it reaching if cap, iron man and gotg outgrows Spider-Man as an icon. I agreed with you so I don’t know where you got me arguing with you from.

When I’m talking z list I’m talking about characters like gotg and Loki whom got more love than Spider-Man during the asm era. Idk if you forgot but Loki got more of an applause than Spider-Man

And duh I know Spider-Man was and still is popular but that doesn’t change the fact that he was losing momentum thanks to Sony and they were destroying the brand.

Idk what point your trying to make you basically agreed with on everything else that Sony dragged the franchise down. So having them be in charge of the character again would be stupid. Soooooooooo uhhhhhh yea

 

[Frodo]

I wasn’t arguing with you tho? And How was it reaching if cap, iron man and gotg outgrows Spider-Man as an icon. I agreed with you so I don’t know where you got me arguing with you from.

When I’m talking z list I’m talking about characters like gotg and Loki whom got more love than Spider-Man during the asm era. Idk if you forgot but Loki got more of an applause than Spider-Man

And duh I know Spider-Man was and still is popular but that doesn’t change the fact that he was losing momentum thanks to Sony and they were destroying the brand.

Idk what point your trying to make you basically agreed with on everything else that Sony dragged the franchise down. So having them be in charge of the character again would be stupid. Soooooooooo uhhhhhh yea

Your reply to my post certainly left the impression you had disagreed with what I said.

And as far as Loki and GOTG their films got more love than the asm films did because as I said, they were better, and the characters became popular because the GA liked them. To take and claim that they were more loved than Spiderman because of the ASM films in general is reaching. Its reaching for the stars.

Films aren't the only aspect and the only medium that Spiderman as a character is in. The GA all come to the Spiderman character multiple ways and through multiple iterations. The bad films don't wreck the brand of a character like Spiderman who's been around for decades and has been popular and successful with several generations at this point.

It may effect fanboys who think it, and over think, that everyone hates Spiderman because the last film wasn't good. That is something that fanboys in the 90s felt after B&R, and fanboys felt before X Men first Class. But the vast majority of filmgoers can ,and have separated bad films ,from their fondness for the characters which is why the Spiderman brand has remained strong for decades despite whatever ups and downs the films and comics have.

Again, The Sony film series was at risk of dying . They didn't go to Feige to save the Spiderman brand. They just didn't. They went to him to save their film franchise.Had Sony not gone through the North Korea hack and had other money and corporate problems they wouldn't have gone to Marvel at all ,and would have just rebooted the series, which they were planning to do with or without Marvel. That's a fact.

But look, if you want to believe that the Spiderman brand was dying because of ASM 2, and that Disney saved its life, then , well , that's what you'll believe.

 

[ironwez20]

Your reply to my post certainly left the impression you had disagreed with what I said.

And as far as Loki and GOTG their films got more love than the asm films did because as I said, they were better, and the characters became popular because the GA liked them. To take and claim that they were more loved than Spiderman because of the ASM films in general is reaching. Its reaching for the stars.

Films aren't the only aspect and the only medium that Spiderman as a character is in. The GA all come to the Spiderman character multiple ways and through multiple iterations. The bad films don't wreck the brand of a character like Spiderman who's been around for decades and has been popular and successful with several generations at this point.

It may effect fanboys who think it, and over think, that everyone hates Spiderman because the last film wasn't good. That is something that fanboys in the 90s felt after B&R, and fanboys felt before X Men first Class. But the vast majority of filmgoers can ,and have separated bad films ,from their fondness for the characters which is why the Spiderman brand has remained strong for decades despite whatever ups and downs the films and comics have.

Again, The Sony film series was at risk of dying . They didn't go to Feige to save the Spiderman brand. They just didn't. They went to him to save their film franchise.Had Sony not gone through the North Korea hack and had other money and corporate problems they wouldn't have gone to Marvel at all ,and would have just rebooted the series, which they were planning to do with or without Marvel. That's a fact.

But look, if you want to believe that the Spiderman brand was dying because of ASM 2, and that Disney saved its life, then , well , that's what you'll believe.

The movie effects the entire brand? What? The film industry is a big medium. If the films do bad then the character as a brand is damaged. How the hell is that reaching? Look at Star Wars. The movies effected the brand as a whole and it happened with Spider-Man. It felt like the character was slowing down and lesser known characters were taking up the spotlight. Avengers and gotg were all over marvel merch and spidey was struggling to find an audience. The films effect the brand it’s a damn franchise. The horrible Sony movies were damaging to the characters image. Just like how those horrible xmen movies were damaging to there’s.

Most franchises are influenced by movies since it’s a huge medium. So a big budget movie sucking looks bad on the franchise. Casual movie goers see the character as stake. Lol what?

 

[Spider-Fan]

And yet, even during this time, Spider-Man merch sold better. Ticket sales didn't, sure. But Spider-Man products did

 

[ironwez20]

And yet, even during this time, Spider-Man merch sold better. Ticket sales didn't, sure. But Spider-Man products did

That’s great that even with crap movies the franchise did well in toy sales but who knows what might of happened if Sony kept up the trend of horrible movies. So thank goodness it didn’t make things to bad

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Think about it this way: Tom Holland has no obligation to stay after the next film because of his contract, and if the movie is total garbage I dont think he'd stay for the paycheck. If Sony wants him to stay and they do, their only option is to try and make a good movie.

Tom has been very vocal about defending Sony. While Im sure part of that is professional ettiquette, he kinda sounds like he is going the extra mile. Almost as if he was telling Sony "I vouched for you, now you better deliver"

 

[JKKS085]

Just incidentally caught up with Ghostbusters 2016 and MIB International this week. It really drives home the point that the Spider-Man franchise is in good hands now.

 

[shinlyle]

Just incidentally caught up with Ghostbusters 2016 and MIB International this week. It really drives home the point that the Spider-Man franchise is in good hands now.