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Tom’s new suit is an 11/10
That whole last sequence is a 12/10
That whole last sequence is a 12/10
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He really is great. His films may not have had the best writing or best villains, but Garfield was amazing. And here, he absolutely stole the show. Much better than Tobey, IMO.It really needs to be said: Garfield under Feige and Marvel Studios>>>>>>>>>> Garfield under just Sony. There's definitely potential there for another Garfield Spider-Man movie, but only if Feige and Marvel Studios are involved.
As a TASM2 fan I really don't see a difference between Garfield under Sony and Feige, he plays the same character in the same way, he just got few more "mcu" quips and that's all.
This.
I’ve been saying the same thing. Andrew was essentially the same character. His performance is no different then then what he did in his stint as Spider-Man in the past. This coming from someone who’s seen his movies multiple times and likes them so I have some basis for comparison. It’s not as if Feige is some mastermind that figured something out and suddenly made Andrew Garfield “work”. The kid always worked as the character. People are just now coming around and seeing it because of the hype surrounding this film. Make no mistake though, Andrew acts the same way.
If there was anyone who benefited from this movie it’s Tobey. He one hundred percent acted differently….and like I said definitely benefited. He was allowed to be a bit more open and bring a little more energy to the performance to mask that “dry delivery” of his lines at times. It really helped.
Exactly. Which is why I’m scratching my head whenever I see some fans fancast a new version of Norman Osborn to appear in the new trilogy. Never say never, but it’s very unlikely Marvel is ever doing anything Osborn related after Dafoe crushed it again. Many fans are failing to see that bringing the Dafoe Green Goblin into the MCU is in essence the same thing as bringing J.K Simmons to play MCU Jonah - it’s Marvel’s open admission that they don’t believe they can find a better actor to play the part, and even though in Dafoe’s case he’s playing the same version he played in the Raimi movies it’s rather clear that he’s intended to be the defacto MCU version of Norman Osborn(even right down to his redesign). The MCU spent all the storytelling potential they had with a hypothetical actual MCU Goblin for a multiversal one.Thinking about it, one thing I really like about this movie is how it cemented the Green Goblin as Spidey's ultimate Big Bad. Like, in the previous two franchises, their versions of Green Goblin were very personal villains for Peter because he'd known them for a long time and they came after him specifically when they found out who he was. And I always just thought, "well, without the Osborns in this universe, and none of that personal connection, I guess Green Goblin might as well sit this franchise out." And then in one fell swoop, they brought the Goblin in and had him deal Peter the biggest blow of his life and brought Peter to the brink of being a willful murderer, and they made him Spidey's most personal villain yet again despite them never having met before the 3rd film. That was a nice touch, imo.
That's why I think some should have stayed in the MCU rather than get sent back.Exactly. Which is why I’m scratching my head whenever I see some fans fancast a new version of Norman Osborn to appear in the new trilogy. Never say never, but it’s very unlikely Marvel is ever doing anything Osborn related after Dafoe crushed it again. Many fans are failing to see that bringing the Dafoe Green Goblin into the MCU is in essence the same thing as bringing J.K Simmons to play MCU Jonah - it’s Marvel’s open admission that they don’t believe they can find a better actor to play the part, and even though in Dafoe’s case he’s playing the same version he played in the Raimi movies it’s rather clear that he’s intended to be the defacto MCU version of Norman Osborn(even right down to his redesign). The MCU spent all the storytelling potential they had with a hypothetical actual MCU Goblin for a multiversal one.
So any version of GG you do after the enormous impact Dafoe’s version had on this Peter, would feel redundant and a step down. By the same token, you will also never see actual MCU versions of any of the villains that showed up here as they are already the MCU versions in a defacto sense. So no MCU Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, ect. Which means, for the next trilogy, you have to use new villains that haven’t been done before.
I may be in the minority here, but doc ock was my favorite villain.
Tobey was my favorite spiderman. Garfield was great also, as was Tom.
Thinking about it, one thing I really like about this movie is how it cemented the Green Goblin as Spidey's ultimate Big Bad. Like, in the previous two franchises, their versions of Green Goblin were very personal villains for Peter because he'd known them for a long time and they came after him specifically when they found out who he was. And I always just thought, "well, without the Osborns in this universe, and none of that personal connection, I guess Green Goblin might as well sit this franchise out." And then in one fell swoop, they brought the Goblin in and had him deal Peter the biggest blow of his life and brought Peter to the brink of being a willful murderer, and they made him Spidey's most personal villain yet again despite them never having met before the 3rd film. That was a nice touch, imo.
Yea people trying to act like Andrew was all of a sudden way better in this are off. He has always been great, you just haven’t watched the TASM films without a bias
Yep. Pretty much this. I don’t get it. He’s doing the exact thing, saying the exact things and pretty much acting the same way as his TASM films. He was always this great.
Yea people trying to act like Andrew was all of a sudden way better in this are off. He has always been great, you just haven’t watched the TASM films without a bias
Yep.
I’ve warmed up to the film some after multiple viewings but that identity situation really bugs me. So much wasted potential to really amplify the level of fear in Peters world. There was almost no consequence in the opening portion of the movie for it other then his friends not making it into college. I was hoping for some death threats, attacks on his friends, mobs outside his house as he tried to sleep, finding ways to make life miserable for his family. I really wanted them to go the route of really make life horrifying for him as his worst nightmare came to fruition. That would have made the choice to go to Strange much more meaningful.
Hell even him going back to school was treated as a joke. Would have been great to see a police/military presence monitoring him and following him through the halls…instead of more lame dialogue between him and teachers.
Again, I’m warming up to the film and tolerating some of the flaws but damn…Im just so bummed that this aspect of the story couldn’t have been handled better.
Why would anyone threaten SpiderMan? First off he’s a known Avenger now. From the first movie, we know the sentiment of fear that brings to bad guys - being on the Avenger’s radar. Think about what just happened in the world, the blip and a galactic battle brought to Earth. I don’t think you’ll get many normal humans trying to threaten Spider Man. Public opinion and image is about all the real damage you can do to Superhumans in the post blip world and that’s what JJJ was trying to do. Just my thoughts on this…
This is not only the worst Spider-Man movie of all time; it’s also one of the worst comic book movies ever as well as one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Jon Watts is a hack and should never be allowed to direct a movie again, let alone a comic book movie.
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I actually enjoyed the movie, for the most part. There were definitely issues and while it’s certainly the darkest of the MCU films, it was still pretty much overall lighthearted. lol on Tom Holland saying this movie isn’t fun. It’s no darker
Pros:
It definitely feels more serious in tone, and you really feel the tragedy of the character. Peter loses everything in this film.
Action is definitely more dynamic and clever and feel intense. The standouts are the bridge fight and apartment fights are standout.
- Andrew Garfield is phenomenal, Tobey is good but Garfield is simply, well, amazing. Yes, forgive the pun but to be fair the movie did it first.
Cons & nitpicks:
- Peter is now the most famous person in the world? That makes no sense especially in a world where they are other superheroes who are arguably way more famous than Spidey in-universe. Spider-Man in the MCU hasn’t been active that long, and he wasn’t a big time superhero on the level of Avengers.
-Some of the humor still doesn’t land.
- There’s definitely holes in the film’s multiversal logic and inconsistencies with the other films.,By this own film’s logic, Electro shouldn’t have been transported since he never finds out Peter was Spider-Man in ASM2.
- Alfred Molina’s Doc Ock doesn’t need to have Curt Connors explained to him by Electro. SM2 clearly establishes he already knew the Curt of his universe. So even if he obviously doesn’t know the Webb version is, he should at least recognize the name.
Overall, despite knowing most of what was going on, I really enjoyed it and thought it was the best of the MCU Spidey trilogy. 7/10.
- Alfred Molina’s Doc Ock doesn’t need to have Curt Connors explained to him by Electro. SM2 clearly establishes he already knew the Curt of his universe. So even if he obviously doesn’t know the Webb version is, he should at least recognize the name