Captain America: Brave New World rate & review

[Weather Witch]

Liv Tyler's cameo looked terrible. I almost didn't want them to include it.

Yeah, it was quite painful. Obviously a case of reshoots and production problems.

 

[psylockolussus]

For the second time I watched it in the cinema. I slept a lot during the movie but I made sure to watch her scene. It does look a bit green screen but I think she was definitely there with Anthony Mackie. But I also forgot my glasses.

It's just too bad, Marvel Studios is known for their fan-service and bringing back characters from previous movies/shows that people don't expect to come back. Yet they couldn't have done more for the love interest in their very 2nd movie. Even before William Hurt passed away, he was brought back at least three times for the movies. I don't know why they couldn't given Liv Tyler a scene that isn't the end of the movie. Maybe her scenes were cut, but there were a couple of scenes in the movie in which could appear. This isn't really a Hulk movie but Leader/Ross are in it anyway, so I don't know why she only got that.

 

[TheVileOne]

For the second time I watched it in the cinema. I slept a lot during the movie but I made sure to watch her scene. It does look a bit green screen but I think she was definitely there with Anthony Mackie. But I also forgot my glasses.

It's just too bad, Marvel Studios is known for their fan-service and bringing back characters from previous movies/shows that people don't expect to come back. Yet they couldn't have done more for the love interest in their very 2nd movie. Even before William Hurt passed away, he was brought back at least three times for the movies. I don't know why they couldn't given Liv Tyler a scene that isn't the end of the movie. Maybe her scenes were cut, but there were a couple of scenes in the movie in which could appear. This isn't really a Hulk movie but Leader/Ross are in it anyway, so I don't know why she only got that.

Even William Hurt's scenes in Black Widow came off better than this.

 

[psylockolussus]

Even William Hurt's scenes in Black Widow came off better than this.

At the time, as someone who was indifferent about Ross in TIH, I thought Marvel Studios liked the character a lot for them to bring him back in those movies, even his roles weren't so memorable.

Like Black Widow the movie, the timing just doesn't feel right. This Red-Hulk transformation and then Leader and Betty Ross showing up after 16 long years, should have happened in phase 3 or 2, in a movie that involves Bruce Banner.

 

[AverageMan]

Finally got round to seeing this yesterday.
Did strike me that they didn't really have a proper plot for Sam as Cap - hence the inclusion of all the Hulk characters.
I think Sam' journey in Falcon & Winter Soldier would have made for a better movie to focus on Sam and the pressure he has of taking on the mantle of Cap.
This seemed for all intense & purposes a vague Hulk sequel but with Sam instead of Banner.
The action wasn't as bad as the trailers made it look.
Overall a solid if not spectacular entry in the Cap series.
Not sure if we'll get another solo Cap film for a while though.

 

[Steyin]

This film is bottom of the Marvel barrel for me....can't figure out if I want to rank it dead last or 2nd to last. Story was weak, characters were weak, and the CGI/visuals/green screen were very obvious on re-shot parts. This would have worked better as a second season of the D+ series instead of as a film.

2/10

 

[Mysteryman]

This film is bottom of the Marvel barrel for me....can't figure out if I want to rank it dead last or 2nd to last. Story was weak, characters were weak, and the CGI/visuals/green screen were very obvious on re-shot parts. This would have worked better as a second season of the D+ series instead of as a film.

2/10

For me, that bottom of the barrel has always been The Dark World.
Still is.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think one change could have made the movie marginally better.

What if Sterns had succeeded in getting Ross to turn into Red Hulk on the ship? Then you could have had a very intense scene where Sam is trying to stop WW3 breaking out while also trying to deal with Red Hulk going nuts on an aircraft carrier. And you end the scene with Sam preventing WW3, but Red Hulk escapes and is on the loose going into Act III, which gives your Act III its momentum. This is a lost art with superhero movies, the lead up of the hero going into the final battle, with the odds stacked against them. The movie fails to strike the iron while its hot, because Sterns is building things up by getting Ross to almost transform while Sam is dealing with the rogue planes over the Indian ocean, but then all of that tension is completely wasted, only to give us that rushed 3rd act transformation anyway. By that point the movie lost all of its momentum.

And I am confused about the whole Sam Wilson won't take the super soldier serum discourse. The movie never gives us why Sam is so hesitant to take it. Is he afraid it will turn him into a monster (either physically or he lets the power get to his head)? The movie never tells us the risk for Sam in taking the serum, only that he doesn't want to take it. It almost paints the issue as a moral prideful thing. But it makes no sense to not take it when you are fighting super villains and dealing with threats like Red Hulk or Leader and there doesn't seem to be any side effects Sam has to worry about?

 

[psylockolussus]

For me, that bottom of the barrel has always been The Dark World.
Still is.

Brave New World is only better than Quantumania to me.

 

[Havok83]

I just saw this and would give it a 5 ouut of 10. Didnt think it was so bad at first but I was rather bored throughout. When it ended, I was like that was it? Didnt feel like much happened and this could have been a tv show, not the 4th Cap film

It also wasnt lost on me that we had a fake Cap, a fake Falcon, a fake Widow and a fake Hulk. None of whom were as interesting as their predecessors

 

[psylockolussus]

I just saw this and would give it a 5 ouut of 10. Didnt think it was so bad at first but I was rather bored throughout. When it ended, I was like that was it? Didnt feel like much happened and this could have been a tv show, not the 4th Cap film

It also wasnt lost on me that we had a fake Cap, a fake Falcon, a fake Widow and a fake Hulk. None of whom were as interesting as their predecessors

They weren't. Red Hulk is the best of them and I liked Yelena, but there are more interesting characters in the Marvel comics. I'm not sure why they chose to do this legacy character route with so many characters, right after Endgame.

If I had to snap some of these MCU films out of existence. I'd choose Eternals, Black Widow the movie, Brave New World and Quantumania to make this Multiverse saga tighter. With Ant-Man 3 getting a different story.

 

[Havok83]

They weren't. Red Hulk is the best of them and I liked Yelena, but there are more interesting characters in the Marvel comics. I'm not sure why they chose to do this legacy character route with so many characters, right after Endgame.

If I had to snap some of these MCU films out of existence. I'd choose Eternals, Black Widow the movie, Brave New World and Quantumania to make this Multiverse saga tighter. With Ant-Man 3 getting a different story.

LOL...it wasnt Yelena but some random new Widow named Ruth

 

[psylockolussus]

LOL...it wasnt Yelena but some random new Widow named Ruth

Ruth is Sabra if I'm not mistaken. Her background as a black Widow is a burp and you miss it dialogue.

Yelena is definitely the Black Widow 2.0 in the MCU. From the connection to Natasha, to her costume in Thunderbolts*.

 

[Havok83]

Ruth is Sabra if I'm not mistaken. Her background as a black Widow is a burp and you miss it dialogue.

Yelena is definitely the Black Widow 2.0 in the MCU. From the connection to Natasha, to her costume in Thunderbolts*.

Yelena's not in this movie so she's irrelevant to my post. When I wrote Fake Widow its Ruth bc she is literally a new character introduced as having been a Widow

 

[psylockolussus]

I guess so. I would have loved to see Ruth in more action scenes in the movie.

 

[Elayis]

I have now experienced the glory that is Captain America: Brave New World. Holy hell, was that movie atrocious. It took me a week and four viewings just to get through it. After this, I don't want to ever hear someone complain about the theatrical cut of Justice League again. At least that movie has a few entertaining moments. There's not a single scene in BNW that remotely resembles genuine creativity or integrity. This is the most soulless piece of corporate crap I think I've ever seen, at least since Fant4stic. It somehow managed to be worst than The Flash, which is a real feat. At least that movie's reshoots weren't so glaringly obvious.

The post credit scene in particular felt like it had more in common with Amazing Spider-Man 2 than anything in the MCU.

I don't know if the writing is to blame, Anthony Mackie's failure at being a lead, or a combination of the two, but Sam Wilson makes for a terrible Cap. I thought the Falcon show was the lowest he could go with his neoliberal, government stooge nonsense, but he has almost zero personality in his own movie. He hardly has any impact on events, he's just reacting to the schemes of other characters. The other characters don't fair any better. If anyone played a drinking game based on whenever someone said "cherry blossoms," they'd be dead by the end of the movie from alcohol poisoning. The endless barrage of exposition disguised as conversation was exhausting. The CGI was hilariously unfinished. And what a waste of Giancarlo Esposito.

2/10 feels too generous, but Laura Karpman's score had its moments.

 

[BoredGuy]

I have now experienced the glory that is Captain America: Brave New World. Holy hell, was that movie atrocious. It took me a week and four viewings just to get through it. After this, I don't want to ever hear someone complain about the theatrical cut of Justice League again. At least that movie has a few entertaining moments. There's not a single scene in BNW that remotely resembles genuine creativity or integrity. This is the most soulless piece of corporate crap I think I've ever seen, at least since Fant4stic. It somehow managed to be worst than The Flash, which is a real feat. At least that movie's reshoots weren't so glaringly obvious.

The post credit scene in particular felt like it had more in common with Amazing Spider-Man 2 than anything in the MCU.

I don't know if the writing is to blame, Anthony Mackie's failure at being a lead, or a combination of the two, but Sam Wilson makes for a terrible Cap. I thought the Falcon show was the lowest he could go with his neoliberal, government stooge nonsense, but he has almost zero personality in his own movie. He hardly has any impact on events, he's just reacting to the schemes of other characters. The other characters don't fair any better. If anyone played a drinking game based on whenever someone said "cherry blossoms," they'd be dead by the end of the movie from alcohol poisoning. The endless barrage of exposition disguised as conversation was exhausting. The CGI was hilariously unfinished. And what a waste of Giancarlo Esposito.

2/10 feels too generous, but Laura Karpman's score had its moments.

Finally got around to watching this now that it's on D+
And I have to agree with most of what you said here

Outside of the decently entertaining Celestial Island action scene, there was just about nothing worthwhile here
Action was bad, story was bad, the only person even trying to act was Carl Lumbly, CGI was bad outside of red hulk (but they didn't even bother to give him proper transformation scenes, guess that would've cost too much). Isaiah was completely right for calling out Sam for working for Ross, Cap should never work for the government. Mackie's smug smile through the whole thing made me kind of hate him. And what was that Captain America Cave they gave him and Joaquin to work out of?? Where even was that, on a military base?
Editing was bad, scenes did not flow well at all and the way characters just appeared in one place or another was jarring.

The main thing I'd disagree with in the above is the score. I thought that was horrible too.

So little redeeming about this movie, FATWS would've been an infinitely better film than this. Such an unbelievable step down from Steve's movies.
I've been disappointed in Marvel films before, but this one makes me angry with how bad it is.

Think this is at the very bottom of my MCU movie list, above only Secret Invasion in terms of overall Marvel projects

 

[GreenKToo]

I finally saw it. Not great, barely decent. 6/10.
Sam is no cap. He was better as the falcon.
The fight scenes with the red Hulk just came off as totally unbelievable as Sam is just a completely normal human in a suit.
If marvel makes anymore cap films with him as the lead, then they will deserve what happens.
He needs to go back to just being the falcon and give the shield up to bucky.

 

[BlackFox]

"Mid" as the kids would say. Bland and boring, not flat out bad as such but nothing to really warrant revisiting, ever, not sure how you have Red Hulk played by Harrison Ford and make you not even care by the time he even shows up, weak story, weak characters and cringe humor at times. Glad I skipped this one in the theatre. 5/10 if that.