Playstation Spider-Man (PS4) - Part 3

[Spider-Aziz]

As someone who made requests on how I want the game to be, I admit that I did not ask for anything new or original.

 

[Nathan]

Can't honestly think of any innovations I'd want either. It might barely do anything new, but I am more than satisfied with Insomniac just trying to perfect the formula.

When their only complaint is that a game just isn't innovative enough, they're basically saying "We can find any fault with the product, but we still need the clicks."

 

[TheWallCrawler]

an open world Manhattan can be fresh depending on what you can do there. the demo had only a hair of what's in the final game, so whether this game is innovative enough is left to be seen. I am most interested in what else there is to do, other than enemy waves and stealth. if they nail that and have good variety, then it will be innovative enough

I try to be positive now. I just want to play the final product as soon as possible

 

[First Avenger]

https://screenrant.com/spider-man-ps4-gameplay-impressions-e3-2018/

I mean, we have only had the Arkham games as far as AAA, single-player superhero games go, and this looks to be a better package than Arkham Knight when you consider gameplay/graphics and a story heavily focused on the ''Man'' side.

Besides, many Gotys such as TloU, UC4 or the new GoW focus more on how polished they are in every aspect and giving an emotion and/or spectacle-filled ride that elevates rather than innovates the medium. I think that's exactly where Spider-Man is heading, firing on every possible cylinder.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I hope you don't run out of things to do in the main campaign after a while, that is -in my opinion- one fault common in the Arkham games, especially Asylum.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I hope you don't run out of things to do in the main campaign after a while, that is -in my opinion- one fault common in the Arkham games, especially Asylum.

Basically my biggest gripe with the Arkham games, at the end of Asylum, you're just walking around an empty mental hospital with nothing to do, at the end of City you're just roaming around randomly beating the crap out of people, and pretty much the same with Knight and Origins, the only random events they had involved just beating people up, and that was it. I hope we have a really good variety of random events in this game.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Basically my biggest gripe with the Arkham games, at the end of Asylum, you're just walking around an empty mental hospital with nothing to do, at the end of City you're just roaming around randomly beating the crap out of people, and pretty much the same with Knight and Origins, the only random events they had involved just beating people up, and that was it. I hope we have a really good variety of random events in this game.

 

[Nathan]

The one thing I always wanted was for the villains to roam free, with a chance to bump into them, giving us the occasional boss battle. I think the Ultimate Spider-Man game did it with Shocker and Boomerang, but that was pretty lackluster, as you could take them down like regular thugs I think.

I'd really love to free roam for like half an hour, only to see Rhino rushing down the street, and we engage him in an open world boss battle.

 

[socool]

The one thing I always wanted was for the villains to roam free, with a chance to bump into them, giving us the occasional boss battle. I think the Ultimate Spider-Man game did it with Shocker and Boomerang, but that was pretty lackluster, as you could take them down like regular thugs I think.

I'd really love to free roam for like half an hour, only to see Rhino rushing down the street, and we engage him in an open world boss battle.

This would be VERY cool. I do remember what you're talking about with Ultimate Spider-Man, too. I always thought that was neat.

I genuinely don't know what I would want in terms of innovation in a Spider-Man game. Maybe something different in terms of tone (i.e. super dark/realistic) to force gameplay change? But personally, Insomniac is just perfecting an already pretty great formula. And all I want is to have a good time with this game. And I know I will. In fact, I think I'll have a great time. TASM2 was a terrible game but I still beat it.

Spider-Man hooks me. It's a curse.

 

[webhead731]

I wouldn't say nitpicky. I know exactly what they are talking about and I agree. I was hoping to see the same sort of momentum from SM2 here as well. It is a "thing" that SM2 does insanely right.When I said that jumping off the ESB doesn't have the right feeling, a few pages ago, THAT was what I was referring to, not the diving effects.



Yeah. I was disappointed to see that Insomniac did in fact go for only a partially physics based system. There are tons of times through out the demos I've watched where Spidey floats because the game doesn't know how to have him interact with the ground during his web-firing animation. But there are times where he'll connect to a building at a high velocity and dart in an unexpected direction. So there is physics at play, but not always.

But my main interest is game feel. If it FEELS good, I'll enjoy it. It's more about the rhythm than anything else to me. There needs to be a flow to it that keeps me going. That's the game loop for Spider-Man (at least for me).



We do get to see the third skin. They didn't directly say, but it'll be revealed at San Diego Comic Con next month. The statue won't be revealed and even has a note on it for you not to open it until you get to a certain part of the game. So I imagine it's the main villain.

The only thing you "can't" get is the full Collector's Edition. The digital deluxe edition (no physical version) has all the DLC, suits, and pre order bonuses; but no art book, steel case with the game, or statue. THAT one is now technically out of stock.



That is a STUPID good idea. Love it.

Also, for those interested: Bryan hinted at a charged jump upgrade in the Q&A livestream

If I buy the physical game can't I still download any DLC?

 

[socool]

If I buy the physical game can't I still download any DLC?

Of course. It'll be available to buy as a season pass and I think each of the 3 will be available to purchase individually, as well.

I think the pre order bonuses are available for the regular version, too. If for whatever reason they're not, all of the suits and the spider-drone gadget are unlockable in-game.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

How would people feel if the sequel (presumably on ps5) went almost entirely physics based? As usual, enemies wont be crushed and killed by Spidey's blows but the move set looked and felt real. Spidey would have all his trademark powers but in a way that wouldnt betray immersion. Essentially, traversal and combat would be entirely like in a Spiderman movie.

I admit that lot of the movement in this game does look like from a movie but perfection would be to have that fidelity all the way through consistently

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The one thing I always wanted was for the villains to roam free, with a chance to bump into them, giving us the occasional boss battle. I think the Ultimate Spider-Man game did it with Shocker and Boomerang, but that was pretty lackluster, as you could take them down like regular thugs I think.

I'd really love to free roam for like half an hour, only to see Rhino rushing down the street, and we engage him in an open world boss battle.

I wish I was able to web Shocky's hands in the streets like I do in his story fight, can't do it. Him and Boomerang ended up being thugs with long health bars.

I love the idea you have there, and hope they can add it to their sequel.

 

[First Avenger]

How would people feel if the sequel (presumably on ps5) went almost entirely physics based? As usual, enemies wont be crushed and killed by Spidey's blows but the move set looked and felt real. Spidey would have all his trademark powers but in a way that wouldnt betray immersion. Essentially, traversal and combat would be entirely like in a Spiderman movie.

I admit that lot of the movement in this game does look like from a movie but perfection would be to have that fidelity all the way through consistently

I think it's tricky. Grounding a superhero like Spider-Man too much on realism seems a bit counter-productive to me and I think Insomniac is trying to give us a nice balance between realism and comic-book superhero fantasy. I prefer something resembling the comics more than the movies when it comes to combat and traversal.

 

[The Slang]

Free roaming villains was an idea I had years ago. It would be a great way to make use of the map. You could fight villains in the street, on roofs, where ever. In addition to that, villains would attempt to escape as their health bar becomes too low, which could potentially lead to spontaneous, unscripted chase sequences. If the villain escapes, you will have the option to track them to a hideout via spider-tracers or detective work. Using this system, you could potentially have multiple battles at multiple locations with a single villain before finally beating and capturing them.

Another idea I've always liked is limited web fluid. Conserving your webbing, reloading and running out of web is something that I see as integral to the Spider-man experience. Imagine using all your cartridges, and needing to go back home for more, relying solely on acrobatics or changing to Peter Parker and riding the bus.
In order for this to work, I suggest introducing two new features:

1: Interactive web lab. At Parker's home, and maybe other locations, you have access to a chemistry set. Here you mix your own web fluid, aswell as upgrade your gadgets. The fluid consists of three ingredients: polymer, adhesive and coagulant. Ther player can actually select the ratios of each ingredient and customise the web formula. More polymer means greater capacity. More adhesive holds enemies longer. More coagulant allows you to shoot hardened web bullets that knock enemies to the ground.

2: Money system. You actually have to spend money to generate your web fluid. Money can be earned at any time by completing side quests as both Spider-man and Peter Parker. These would involve taking photos, among other things, like working as a lab assistant or delivering pizza.

 

[The Slang]

How would people feel if the sequel (presumably on ps5) went almost entirely physics based? As usual, enemies wont be crushed and killed by Spidey's blows but the move set looked and felt real. Spidey would have all his trademark powers but in a way that wouldnt betray immersion. Essentially, traversal and combat would be entirely like in a Spiderman movie.

I admit that lot of the movement in this game does look like from a movie but perfection would be to have that fidelity all the way through consistently

I'd like to see it as physics-based as possible without ruining the fun. Something like Just Cause 2's tether system would be good.

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On not killing enemies, I always liked the charge jump, and I think charged
attacks would be a good idea too. You can tap the button for fast combos, or you can charge the attack and control how hard you hit an enemy.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Why are we being too demanding on physics based when the character defies certain laws of physics?

 

[The Slang]

Why are we being too demanding on physics based when the character defies certain laws of physics?

The character himself doesn't defy physics. He has increased strength but he's still subject to regular physics.

 

[ehh]

If the game is super fun and enjoyable, I'll be satisfied. I expect the little details to improve with each installment.

Do you guys think we will get a trilogy out of this one?

 

[Havok83]

If the game is super fun and enjoyable, I'll be satisfied. I expect the little details to improve with each installment.

Do you guys think we will get a trilogy out of this one?

I have doubts bc Sony doesnt own Spider-Man and they dont own Insomniac. If we get 2 games, I'll be satisified but 3 is asking alot, especially since the next will likely be on next gen hardware and take longer to develop

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Do you guys think we will get a trilogy out of this one?

It's possible, depending on success of this one.

I have doubts bc Sony doesnt own Spider-Man and they dont own Insomniac. If we get 2 games, I'll be satisified but 3 is asking alot, especially since the next will likely be on next gen hardware and take longer to develop

They can still hire them to work on a sequel or two, depends on how long they plan to make this story.
Doesn't Sony own the rights to make games for the character now after the expiration of the license being held by Activision?

 

[Nathan]

The 2 factors will be how much money the first one makes, and if Insomniac feels comfortable being tied down for a decade, just doing Spider-Man games.

 

[Jick]

1: Interactive web lab. At Parker's home, and maybe other locations, you have access to a chemistry set. Here you mix your own web fluid, aswell as upgrade your gadgets. The fluid consists of three ingredients: polymer, adhesive and coagulant. Ther player can actually select the ratios of each ingredient and customise the web formula. More polymer means greater capacity. More adhesive holds enemies longer. More coagulant allows you to shoot hardened web bullets that knock enemies to the ground.

2: Money system. You actually have to spend money to generate your web fluid. Money can be earned at any time by completing side quests as both Spider-man and Peter Parker. These would involve taking photos, among other things, like working as a lab assistant or delivering pizza.

I like these ideas. Bloodborne and Horizon taught me how to be conservative with my stuff and that it can be challenging, but still fun. Both led me to improve my gaming skills and become a better player, specially the first one.
I see the fans *****ing about it, though, so it can be a hard thing to bring to the game, but I'm all for that.

 

[ehh]

The 2 factors will be how much money the first one makes, and if Insomniac feels comfortable being tied down for a decade, just doing Spider-Man games.

Sounds like good job security for them haha.

 

[ehh]

But if there are sequels, I believe Insomniac will be able to improve on the elements introduced in this first entry and add complexities to it.