Homecoming "Spider-Man Summit" Thread

[TheVileOne]

Well theaters get a split too.

 

[Jordanstine]

The Problem = Jeff Robinov

Jeff Robinov aka the former VP of Warner Bros who left after losing the head promotion to Tsujihara due in part for cock blocking WB from building their "Justice League" because of his failed Green Lantern movie.

Now that Robinov is with Sony, he's cock blocking Marvel from building up a Cinematic Universe with Spider-Man.

Regardless, if Sony plans on REBOOTING Spider-Man anyway, might as well just have Marvel reboot him in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I'm not sure which director would do it honestly

The amount of indecisiveness seen with these execs and these producers is quite sad. Also their ideas lack any kind of sense. I don't know how anyone would approve Spider Man taking off the black suit because some people made fun of him wearing it...

The decision to make a shared universe within the ASM universe screwed Sony over so much. It probably lead to them interfering and screwing over much of ASM2, and probably lead to the situation they are currently in.

There's two solutions to this problem. One, Sony can give the character away to Marvel Studios, loosening the character of their indecisive grip. Second, Sony can go ahead and cancel the Sinister Six, Venom and the female spider man team up film, and just focus on ASM3.

Yes but given ASM2's ending with the "goblin's" "make it small" line, as well as all the Oscorp BS, you'd be asking a lot for the audience to let slide.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Well theaters get a split too.

Correctomundo! So how is this profitable for Sony? I think Marvel should just straight up buy the character back and give them a percent of the spidey merchandise each year.

 

[Dark Raven]

The Problem = Jeff Robinov

Jeff Robinov aka the former VP of Warner Bros who left after losing the head promotion to Tsujihara due in part for cock blocking WB from building their "Justice League" because of his failed Green Lantern movie.

Now that Robinov is with Sony, he's cock blocking Marvel from building up a Cinematic Universe with Spider-Man.

Regardless, if Sony plans on REBOOTING Spider-Man anyway, might as well just have Marvel reboot him in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Robinov was **** for WB and DC. I feel bad for y'all. Bless Da Gawd Tsujihara

 

[Dark Raven]

The Problem = Jeff Robinov

Jeff Robinov aka the former VP of Warner Bros who left after losing the head promotion to Tsujihara due in part for cock blocking WB from building their "Justice League" because of his failed Green Lantern movie.

Now that Robinov is with Sony, he's cock blocking Marvel from building up a Cinematic Universe with Spider-Man.

Regardless, if Sony plans on REBOOTING Spider-Man anyway, might as well just have Marvel reboot him in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Robinov looks like this guy from Spider-Man 1:

 

[CaptainWagner]

If they wanted Venom done properly they should have introduced Eddie Brock in the first movie. The Venom stand alone sounded laughable, like a little kid making stories when playing with action figures. ''Eddie Brock becomes Venom in a super duper way, and then Carnage shows up, and then they fight, and...and...'' Sounds like Avi Arad alright.

What SHOULD have happened was ASM3 telling the black suit story, Sinister 6 using Venom as the antagonist, and then Flash getting the suit and taking on a government created Carnage in the Venom solo film. That would have been one heck of a movie, but, alas, it was not to be.

 

[TheVileOne]

Correctomundo! So how is this profitable for Sony? I think Marvel should just straight up buy the character back and give them a percent of the spidey merchandise each year.

That's for them to figure out.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 was apparently not all that profitable for Sony and they are stuck and not sure what to do now.

 

[Mr.M]

Robinov looks like this guy from Spider-Man 1:

Exactly what needs to happen at the Summit.

1. Leave Arad out of the building all together. Paid vacation in January to Siberia, remove his card access into the building upon his return.

2. Resignation from Pascal.

3. Robinov is fired or reassigned as part of a restructure.

4. Get Marvel people in on a phone conference to work out a deal with the Russos while working out the parameters for a transition plan.

5. 30 million dollar Aunt May movie as a backup plan to keep the rights (not that I want that).

 

[MrSpyder]

There's alot of shaking going on

 

[Dark Raven]

So what's happened to Orci now that he's been booted off Star Trek but left ASM3 precisely to direct that?

 

[Hyde]

Working in a burger joint in New Mexico, hopefully.

 

[mclay18]

People are acting like Robinov has the same power at Sony like he did at WB (which was greenlights and release dates) -- he's not. His Studio 8 venture is sorta Legendary, it develops and finances its own films (and Sony can decide whether to co-finance), while Sony markets and releases the pics.

Robinov answers to Pascal and Lynton. And those two are overruled by the Japanese heads at Sony in general. He's not in much of a position to get the best deal from Marvel Studios, especially with the hack and ASM2 underperforming.

 

[kedrell]

5. 30 million dollar Aunt May movie as a backup plan to keep the rights (not that I want that).

I think if they did this they might as well put themselves on Marvel's enemies list right next to FOX. Any goodwill they still had for Sony will be gone. That's a minimum that would happen. More likely you could see some real legal scuffles arise from Disney.

 

[Spidey_62]

I think the folks over at Sony Japan are going to make sure the others get them what they want, which would be good for just about everybody. Except maybe the current producers, they won't be happy.

 

[Flint Marko]

Correctomundo! So how is this profitable for Sony? I think Marvel should just straight up buy the character back and give them a percent of the spidey merchandise each year.

Boom, agreed. Not like they can't foot the bill.
But giving Marvels notoriously cheap reputation this is far from likely.

 

[AF3619]

Boom, agreed. Not like they can't foot the bill.
But giving Marvels notoriously cheap reputation this is far from likely.

even if Marvel doesn´t have the rights back i can´t wait for the reports after the summit

So far i think the chances of Spidey going back to the MCU are getting a little higher by the hack

 

[TheVileOne]

Guys just remember Disney negotiated a payoff to Paramount for Iron Man and Captain America. Paramount got its logo in front of The Avengers too despite having no distribution deal at all for it. They got I think also 10% of the gross.

Why can't Disney and Marvel negotiate a payoff for Sony and maybe a cut of merchandise? Would that not be profitable?

 

[AF3619]

Guys just remember Disney negotiated a payoff to Paramount for Iron Man and Captain America. Paramount got its logo in front of The Avengers too despite having no distribution deal at all for it. They got I think also 10% of the gross.

Why can't Disney and Marvel negotiate a payoff for Sony and maybe a cut of merchandise? Would that not be profitable?

yup but sometimes a good deal isn´t enough for big egos in the industry

 

[mclay18]

Guys just remember Disney negotiated a payoff to Paramount for Iron Man and Captain America. Paramount got its logo in front of The Avengers too despite having no distribution deal at all for it. They got I think also 10% of the gross.

Why can't Disney and Marvel negotiate a payoff for Sony and maybe a cut of merchandise? Would that not be profitable?

I mentioned the Paramount payoff earlier (which is a definite possibility), but the merchandise rights are far too lucrative for Disney to share with Sony. Especially after Sony sold them to the Mouse House after ASM came out. Disney ain't gonna let them get a cut of that money.

Basically, Sony has two viable options at this point, or they could simply soldier on with their half-assed plans for Spider-Man. They save face and gain profits with the former.

 

[kedrell]

Guys just remember Disney negotiated a payoff to Paramount for Iron Man and Captain America. Paramount got its logo in front of The Avengers too despite having no distribution deal at all for it. They got I think also 10% of the gross.

Why can't Disney and Marvel negotiate a payoff for Sony and maybe a cut of merchandise? Would that not be profitable?

But as I understand it the Paramount deal isn't even remotely close to the same thing. Paramount never owned these characters. MS simply had a distribution deal with them and Disney bought out the remainder of Paramount's end when they purchased Marvel. Sony actually owns the Spidey film rights.

 

[kedrell]

yup but sometimes a good deal isn´t enough for big egos in the industry

Maybe it's that they think they can get a better deal by holding off and letting Sony sink a little further into the mire.

 

[TalismanRing]

But as I understand it the Paramount deal isn't even remotely close to the same thing. Paramount never owned these characters. MS simply had a distribution deal with them and Disney bought out the remainder of Paramount's end when they purchased Marvel. Sony actually owns the Spidey film rights.

Sony licenses the Spider-man film rights, it doesn't own them. Just like Fox licenses their X-men and FF4 film rights. If Sony owned them it wouldn't have to worry about the 5 year clause in the licensing agreement that mandates the making and theatrical release of a Spider-man film or the licensing lapses and the film rights revert back to Marvel.

 

[TalismanRing]

Apparently they are doing to do a Sony film called Gray Man first.

However, would they really have time to do Civil War, then Gray Man, then Avengers 3 and 4?

If it follows the shooting schedule for 1 and 2 then Filming for Avengers 3 would probably start in early 2017 with pre-production starting in 2016. With Civil War filming in 2015 and post production going up until the release in May 2016 I'm not sure how they would squeeze The Gray Man in.