Homecoming "Spider-Man Summit" Thread

[mclay18]

It seems like CBM got their hands on more leaked documents.

If Spider-Man appears in Captain America: Civil War, Sony will co-finance 25% of the movie. Marvel then co-finances 25% of Spider-Man's next solo film which is scheduled to be released in July 2017. The deal allows Sony to use TWO major Marvel characters and continue the plot from Civil War in regards to how it relates to Spider-Man. Spider-Man would also appear in Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1 in 2018, with another Marvel produced Spider-Man movie following in July 2019.

Sony asked for approval over the costume, script (but only the parts specifically involving Spider-Man), and casting, with said actor required to sign a three-picture deal or more. The way this part of the document is worded makes it sound very much like a collaboration rather than one studio having more control than the other. They do however point out that Kevin Feige must serve as a producer, and if for some reason he leaves Marvel, they would be allowed to select his replacement. They also want Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach to be given executive producer credits, and state that it would be pre-agreed that Drew Goddard both writes and directs the first movie.

On the business side of things, if any of the Marvel movies Spider-Man is included in misses their release date, Sony would be paid damages of $100 million, and the deal would be terminated. Sony have only three years and nine months to start pre-production before the rights revert, and Captain America: Civil War would reset the clock on this period. Sony also asked for Marvel's help in ensuring that the "D Machine" would have to be accessible for Spider-Man's solo movies in regards to their TV channels, radio networks, theme parks, and more. The deal would be announced at a press event by both studios on a mutually agreed upon date.

I don't think 25% will be good enough for Marvel. I think the deal will be closer to that 60/40 deal being bandied about.

 

[degraves93]

It seems like CBM got their hands on more leaked documents.



I don't think 25% will be good enough for Marvel. I think the deal will be closer to that 60/40 deal being bandied about.

Would Sony be open to the 60/40 deal?

 

[Stormz96]

Well, didn't it say that Sony would pay 25% of Civil War's budget? I think that's the compromise for marvel's 25%

 

[Eddie]

The % is mostly just a money split thing, and it goes both ways. 75/25 could theoretically work out better for Marvel, anyway. Less financial risk on Spidey solo films on their part (lower reward, too, but they already make more money than Sony on Spider-Man thanks to the merchandise). The really important thing is the creative split, not the money split, but with Feige as producer and Goddard as writer/director we're probably safe.

 

[Stormz96]

Goddard writing is awesome, having Whedon as a script consultant would be the icing on the cake. Make that happen!

 

[degraves93]

The % is mostly just a money split thing, and it goes both ways. 75/25 could theoretically work out better for Marvel, anyway. Less financial risk on Spidey solo films on their part (lower reward, too, but they already make more money than Sony on Spider-Man thanks to the merchandise). The really important thing is the creative split, not the money split, but with Feige as producer and Goddard as writer/director we're probably safe.

Feige will be the one safeguarding us from Sony's crap, presumably

 

[mclay18]

And Feige could stomp on the stupid ideas Pascal (if she's still there) has for the third iteration of the franchise.

I agree with the poster who mentioned that Sony would probably get access to the Netflix Marvel Daredevil and Kingpin to use in their Spidey films. I can't imagine them getting RDJ's Tony Stark and/or Chris Evans' Steve Rogers.

 

[degraves93]

And Feige could stomp on the stupid ideas Pascal (if she's still there) has for the third iteration of the franchise.

I agree with the poster who mentioned that Sony would probably get access to the Netflix Marvel Daredevil and Kingpin to use in their Spidey films. I can't imagine them getting RDJ's Tony Stark and/or Chris Evans' Steve Rogers.

Would he be interacting with them in Marvel's own movies though?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Wait Sony would finance 25% of Civil War for a Spidey cameo, and then what get 25% of the profits? That seems really unnecessary on Marvels part.

And then Marvel helps finance a Spiderman solo film, which sounds to still be Sony in control, seeing as how it says it allows Sony to use Marvel Characters and continue the plot.

 

[Eddie]

Important to remember, I think, that Marvel's done a co-production before and it turned out fine. The Incredible Hulk had more outside involvement than other MCU stuff and it was still a good movie (weak for the MCU, yes, but I'd still take it over most non-MCU Marvel films).

 

[Boom]

Sony having some creative control won't be too much of a concern so long as they don't try to pull the same **** they did with Raimi on Spider-Man 3/4 and Webb on TAS/2.

If Feige can keep them from micro-managing and holding the filmmaker by the collar, it should be fine.

 

[Stormz96]

Important to remember, I think, that Marvel's done a co-production before and it turned out fine. The Incredible Hulk had more outside involvement than other MCU stuff and it was still a good movie (weak for the MCU, yes, but I'd still take it over most non-MCU Marvel films).

I personally think TIH is a great film. And I think with the MCU as far along as it is now, the coproduction would be more beneficial creatively than it was with TIH

 

[Eddie]

Wait Sony would finance 25% of Civil War for a Spidey cameo, and then what get 25% of the profits? That seems really unnecessary on Marvels part.

And then Marvel helps finance a Spiderman solo film, which sounds to still be Sony in control, seeing as how it says it allows Sony to use Marvel Characters and continue the plot.

Any money Marvel had to give Sony for Civil War would be offset by the boost in ticket sales from the novelty of Spidey's first MCU appearnce and the Spider-Man Civil War action figures (Marvel has 100% of the merch rights).

 

[degraves93]

Important to remember, I think, that Marvel's done a co-production before and it turned out fine. The Incredible Hulk had more outside involvement than other MCU stuff and it was still a good movie (weak for the MCU, yes, but I'd still take it over most non-MCU Marvel films).

Would you say that with Goddard possibly at the helm, it could be a stronger film than TIH?

 

[Dark Raven]

And Feige could stomp on the stupid ideas Pascal (if she's still there) has for the third iteration of the franchise.

I agree with the poster who mentioned that Sony would probably get access to the Netflix Marvel Daredevil and Kingpin to use in their Spidey films. I can't imagine them getting RDJ's Tony Stark and/or Chris Evans' Steve Rogers.

I'd hope that is the case but it said they'd be able to use major MCU heroes and I can see Sony wanting Iron Man or Cap or Dr Strange.

 

[degraves93]

I'd hope that is the case but it said they'd be able to use major MCU heroes and I can see Sony wanting Iron Man or Cap or Dr Strange.

Yeah, but not more than two

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Any money Marvel had to give Sony for Civil War would be offset by the boost in ticket sales from the novelty of Spidey's first MCU appearnce and the Spider-Man Civil War action figures (Marvel has 100% of the merch rights).

Spiderman in an MCU film wouldn't boost it by the 25%, Civil War will probably make a billion either way.

Plus they'd earn that merchandise off Spidey if it was just a Sony film.

This deal seems way too good for Sony considering they are the one in the toilet. I thought Marvel would have full control, not a collaboration, this deal is just more hands in the Spiderman pot.

 

[Eddie]

Would you say that with Goddard possibly at the helm, it could be a stronger film than TIH?

I'd say yes, but that isn't strong enough. *ahem*

HELL YES!

Seriously, though, if TIH ends up as my least favorite MCU film that just means I'm gonna really love every MCU film. I enjoyed TIH quite a bit, and I've never been much of a fan of solo Hulk stuff. TIH had some serious production issues and Marvel still pulled off a good movie. Goddard can easily outdo it and bring us a strong film.

 

[SpideyFan866]

We've been provided with some of the leaked documents from the "Sony Hack", and they offer up more details on the deal which was being discussed between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures in regards to the future of Spider-Man. It's worth noting that some of this contradicts and confirms what we heard from some of those obscure foreign sites (who probably made up that information for attention and "via" traffic, especially as most of it sounded like glorified fan-fiction).

If Spider-Man appears in Captain America: Civil War, Sony will co-finance 25% of the movie. Marvel then co-finances 25% of Spider-Man's next solo film which is scheduled to be released in July 2017. The deal allows Sony to use TWO major Marvel characters and continue the plot from Civil War in regards to how it relates to Spider-Man. Spider-Man would also appear in Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1 in 2018, with another Marvel produced Spider-Man movie following in July 2019.*

Sony asked for approval over the costume, script (but only the parts specifically involving Spider-Man), and casting, with said actor required to sign a three-picture deal or more. The way this part of the document is worded makes it sound very much like a collaboration rather than one studio having more control than the other. They do however point out that Kevin Feige must serve as a producer, and if for some reason he leaves Marvel, they would be allowed to select his replacement. They also want Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach to be given executive producer credits, and state that it would be pre-agreed that Drew Goddard both writes and directs the first movie.

On the business side of things, if any of the Marvel movies Spider-Man is included in misses their release date, Sony would be paid damages of $100 million, and the deal would be terminated. Sony have only three years and nine months to start pre-production before the rights revert, and Captain America: Civil War would reset the clock on this period. Sony also asked for Marvel's help in ensuring that the "D Machine" would have to be accessible for Spider-Man's solo movies in regards to their TV channels, radio networks, theme parks, and more. The deal would be announced at a press event by both studios on a mutually agreed upon date.*

We've also seen documents which indicate that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 earned only $65 million BEFORE overheads, and that they expect earnings to significantly increase after making the deal with Marvel. These are internal documents, and it's not clear how much would change as the deal is discussed. However, this appears to have been put together following discussions rather than as a proposal. We have of course heard that talks broke down, but nothing specific in regards to why, and various outlets have since reported that this is going to happen. Stay tuned for updates...

Jesus christ...... this HAS to be the deal that Marvel declined.

It, in no way, favors Marvel.

>Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are still involved, and get Exec. Producer credits. Thus, reaping the benefits of a project they may not be involved with at all.

Check.

>Sony retains, more or less, 100% control over how Spidey is used (as well over aspects like the casting, costume, and director of the solo project) and presumably 100% control over the solos, outside of what Kevin Feige kicks in as sole Marvel Studios producer with input.

Check.

>****ing Marvel over by gaining control over who replaces Feige at Marvel Studios (or at least, as liason to Sony) when he leaves, effectively giving them control over the MCU at a future date, and making Kevin Feige a glorified Sony producer currently.

Check.


>Perverting the rights reversion agreement even further, to make Marvel's use of Spidey work against them, in regards to getting him back fully. Also, reversing it in that Marvel MUST use Spidey when they say they will, or have the deal dissolve, and Sony getting paid out for it.

Check

Yeah. No way in hell Marvel would've taken this deal over the 60/40 split, with full creative control going to Marvel Studios (and Avi being on the outs) that they offered.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I'm with you guys, the more I go over this deal, the more confused I get. This must have been what they rejected.

Sony have basically been reduced to plankton due to cowardly criminals and parasitic opportunists. If this deal were the most recent, how could Sony possibly get one this good from a studio that is in the midst of it's "Halcyon Days"? Marvel has all the leverage here.

 

[Eddie]

There are a great deal of particulars that can change, but one thing that does look likely is some version of an MCU Spider-Man deal happening. After all of this leaked, Sony pretty much lost any chance of doing more Spider-Man on their own.

 

[degraves93]

There are a great deal of particulars that can change, but one thing that does look likely is some version of an MCU Spider-Man deal happening. After all of this leaked, Sony pretty much lost any chance of doing more Spider-Man on their own.

What particulars would you say could change?

 

[Eddie]

What particulars would you say could change?

Oh, plenty. The exact financial split, the amount of any penalties, number of Marvel characters accessible by Sony for Spidey films, creative details, etc.

 

[mclay18]

Would he be interacting with them in Marvel's own movies though?

That's true, but then Sony might have the idea that RDJ's Tony will boost ticket sales for the second Spidey movie or whatever.

I do like the idea of seeing Marvel 'loan out' Daredevil and Kingpin for the Spider-Man movies. Especially if Charlie Cox is well-received as Matt Murdock, and Sony could capitalize on that with a live-action Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover film.

 

[Flint Marko]

I really can't understand why anybody would think Spider-Man at Marvel would be a bad thing.

I mean, I've read peoples reasons, but all of 'em sound bogus to me.

It's basically their way of saying, "I don't like Marvel movies as much as the studios cranked out by my favorite studio, so I'm going to deny everything in front of me and drum up reasons in my head why this would be a bad thing".

I bet it really burns your ass that it looks likely to happen though.

Damn Marvel! Screwin' it's fans again!

Jesus christ...... this HAS to be the deal that Marvel declined.

It, in no way, favors Marvel.

>Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are still involved, and get Exec. Producer credits. Thus, reaping the benefits of a project they may not be involved with at all.

Check.

>Sony retains, more or less, 100% control over how Spidey is used (as well over aspects like the casting, costume, and director of the solo project) and presumably 100% control over the solos, outside of what Kevin Feige kicks in as sole Marvel Studios producer with input.

Check.

>****ing Marvel over by gaining control over who replaces Feige at Marvel Studios (or at least, as liason to Sony) when he leaves, effectively giving them control over the MCU at a future date, and making Kevin Feige a glorified Sony producer currently.

Check.


>Perverting the rights reversion agreement even further, to make Marvel's use of Spidey work against them, in regards to getting him back fully. Also, reversing it in that Marvel MUST use Spidey when they say they will, or have the deal dissolve, and Sony getting paid out for it.

Check

Yeah. No way in hell Marvel would've taken this deal over the 60/40 split, with full creative control going to Marvel Studios (and Avi being on the outs) that they offered.

Why would Sony even want Avi involved? Are their heads really so far up their asses that they haven't seen what his influence does to a production