Age of Ultron SPOILERS INSIDE What you didn't like about Avengers: Age of Ultron - Flaws/Critiques

[ctsketch]

No, she was NOT start being trained as a spy by SHIELD at that age; She started at that age in Russia. Hence the whole back story of where she was trained in AOA and Agent Carter.

I do not believe it has been said when she defected.

All that said, I believe the first place she was ever portrayed WITH a Russian accent was in the cartoons. Obviously comics don't have audio, but accents can be implied with the way the dialogue is written, and I do not believe any accent had been written in the books prior to the cartoons.

In Agent Carter the spies were taught with an American accent and watched american TV

 

[Daywalker89]

I just hate the whole "some kid got separated from the crowd and the mother's standing around screaming ''where's my baby/kid?'' and somebody saves them in the nick of time" trope. It's so annoying and cliche. Especially in this one since it resulted in killing off Quicksilver which I thought was forced, stupid, and unnecessary.

Oh man i know exactly how u feel , this is why i don't plan on having kids. If that kid ran away from me, i would take my belt off. Youngers don't have any respect these days that's the problem.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Loden Greatstorm]

- Too many jokes and funny quips...It was like the Avengers became a Vaudeville act while they were fighting a thousand Ultron minions.

- Ultron didn't seem as menacing as he does in the comics.
- The Black Widow/Hulk stuff was strange and seemed out of character for Natasha.

Agreed with everything.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The usual complaints about a Marvel movie for me, too formulaic, it all felt like I had seen it before. Too short, too much humour and not enough stakes, I never once felt the heroes were in danger. I know Pietro died but even that wasnt done very well. After 2014 I thought Marvel was upping their game but took a tiny step back instead with this movie. They really need to change things up.

And this may be a new one, but I thought there was TOO MUCH of the heroes saving people at the end, it felt like we were being beaten over the head with it by the end, they could have cut down on that and given us more fighting with Ultron IMO. Also, I felt the Iron Man/ Stark pandering went too far in this movie.

 

[ernesth100]

Plot felt rushed, deleted scenes where far too obvious. Quicksilver died. Ultron was not as physically strong as he was supposed to be. Hulk didn't talk at all. Tony Stark is immune to getting in any sort of trouble.

 

[Doc Samson]

*Black Widow romance/Lullaby: The whole romance felt unnatural and unnecessary. Somewhere between this movie and the last they've began using Black Widow to calm down and revert the Hulk. She walks up, says 'the suns getting pretty low big guy', then slips off her glove, looks at him suggestively and strokes his hand until he's calm. While I'm sure that Scarlett Johansson could in fact tame the incredible hulk with a little... ahem, handy-work, this just felt like a rehash of the Ang Lee Hulk scene where Betty Ross was able to calm the hulk in a similar way, with Black widow acting as replacement Betty Ross. What happened to Betty anyway?

The biggest issue with the whole BW/Banner thing to begin with is how sudden and out of nowhere it is. There's nothing in any other movie about a budding romance, there's no explanation at the start of AoU for how long the team has been working together again. And for sure, the MCU acts as if The Incredible Hulk film doesn't exist at all.

 

[MIKE10]

Can't help myself, but Vision is weird in this film, for me, he somehow doesn't fit between these characters...however some of his scenes are unbelieveably funny...(hammer lift, telling tony ultrons hates him most..etc.)..but he is somehow..I don'T know...they don't explain his powers...they don't even mention his phasing skills..maybe he is too powerful..plus infinity stone in forehead...simply weird character...your opinions?

 

[The Guard]

Thought of a few more things that bothered me.

Hawkeye lying down next to a

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dead, bullet-riddled Quicksilver

and being all "It's been a loooooong week". Completely classless given the circumstances. Bad Whedon.

And the way that every so often this movie became AVENGERS: AGE OF CIVILIAN CLEAVAGE. You know what I'm talking about.

 

[SolarTiger]

Joss and his awful whedonisms. He took it too far in this movie. Its makes sense for Tony to be clever, but you had everyone in the cast being so witty and having the perfect quip to say at almost every moment. You ruin the tension that you're trying to build up when you insert a clever remark every time.


And how quick Ultron went from his first form to his second. I was hoping for a more gradual buildup of his look.

 

[Human Torch]

I hate that they seem to be sticking with the "Banner can't...." joke from TIH. Banner is supposed to transform due to rage,not "excitement".

 

[The Guard]

THE INCREDIBLE HULK established that its tied to his heart rate, didn't it?

 

[Boom]

I'm going to see it a second time this week to better form my opinions, but a lot of good points have been made in this thread.

I didn't hate the movie, but I sort of left the theater thinking, "Eh, okay. That's over and done with." Much like Iron Man 2, this movie felt like a weigh station along the MCU highway.

 

[sdc10]

I'm going to see it a second time this week to better form my opinions, but a lot of good points have been made in this thread.

I didn't hate the movie, but I sort of left the theater thinking, "Eh, okay. That's over and done with." Much like Iron Man 2, this movie felt like a weigh station along the MCU highway.

I think the main problem with the film was that unlike the first Avengers, which had 5 movies building towards it and teasing it, this one didn't have anything building towards it. As you said it was a bit of a weigh station. The first Avengers was the crescendo and it was awesome to see everything come to ahead. This one seemed more like "well just throw something together for Avengers 2 so we can see the team again before Infinity War"

 

[Human Torch]

THE INCREDIBLE HULK established that its tied to his heart rate, didn't it?

Yeah,but that was something that I wish they sorta "soft-retconned". I always felt rage was the emotion-the trigger for the hulk out, not simply just "how fast his heart is beating".

 

[The Slang]

I thought his motivation was pretty clear, Jarvis says that Ultron was created by Tony Stark to protect the world. So he looks up information on Tony Stark and the Avengers and basically human history and sees constant conflict and fighting. Seeing this, he feels the best way to protect the world is to take it's most dangerous threat, humans, out of the equation.

Protect the world in what sense? Clearly he's not seeking to protect the human population, so was his goal to protect animal life or the planet itself? He didn't seem like much of an environmentalist. If his goal was to exterminate humans, why not just launch a nuclear attack? What was with all the talk about evolution? He would constantly accuse humans of being militant and war mongering yet he just came off as a hypocrite with a superiority complex. His only goal seemed to be to fulfill his narcissistic desire to rule, and create superior bodies for himself as a matter of self interest. His actions weren't those of a cold calculative mechanism carrying out it's directives, he was a flawed, very emotional and very human being, proud, selfish and malicious.

Ultron was just a vague mismatch of previous rouge AIs like Skynet, or the 'I robot' computer. Except their goals were clear, Sknet wanted to exterminate humans to protect itself and 'I robot' wanted to enslave humans as a way to protect them from themselves.

 

[NosfeRomas]

He was like the catalyst in Mass Effect 3. In order to save organics you must destroy organics. What sense does that make ? If he wanted to achieve singularity and man/machine hybrid it would be more logical than to completely destroy everybody.

The movie was disjointed. Ultron was saved by the great voice and motion capture of James Spader and for the good one liners.

After the farm the film lost it's way, for me. I need to rewatch it but i expected so much more. It was same old same old without even going anywhere.

Pseudo Iron Man vs Cap conflict in hopes they establish it before Civil War.

A couple of good things were Black Widow and Hawkeye. It got me to like Hawkeye and Widow is now along with Cap my two favourite Avengers. I want to see a solo Black Widow movie.

 

[martijndepro]

Pseudo Iron Man vs Cap conflict in hopes they establish it before Civil War.

That scene lost all its credibility when the ending showed us Cap and Tony going their separate ways in good harmony. They'll have to re-establish it in Civil War.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm going to see it a second time this week to better form my opinions, but a lot of good points have been made in this thread.

I didn't hate the movie, but I sort of left the theater thinking, "Eh, okay. That's over and done with." Much like Iron Man 2, this movie felt like a weigh station along the MCU highway.

Exactly what I thought coming out of it, and yeah Iron Man 2 was the movie that immediately came to mind afterwards, this movie was too busy setting future movies up rather than being aovie on its own. That's down to Marvel.

 

[Lorus]

Protect the world in what sense? Clearly he's not seeking to protect the human population, so was his goal to protect animal life or the planet itself? He didn't seem like much of an environmentalist. If his goal was to exterminate humans, why not just launch a nuclear attack? What was with all the talk about evolution? He would constantly accuse humans of being militant and war mongering yet he just came off as a hypocrite with a superiority complex. His only goal seemed to be to fulfill his narcissistic desire to rule, and create superior bodies for himself as a matter of self interest. His actions weren't those of a cold calculative mechanism carrying out it's directives, he was a flawed, very emotional and very human being, proud, selfish and malicious.

Ultron was just a vague mismatch of previous rouge AIs like Skynet, or the 'I robot' computer. Except their goals were clear, Sknet wanted to exterminate humans to protect itself and 'I robot' wanted to enslave humans as a way to protect them from themselves.

Ultron is born and JARVIS tells him 'you are Ultron, a peacekeeping initiative designed by Mr Stark'. That is all the information he has about himself. He maintains his directive to achieve 'peace in our time' but without the Avengers, because he considers them defenders of the status quo. In his eyes, humanity needs to evolve because we can't achieve peace in our current form (as evidenced by human history, which he is immediately aware of). Therefore, his plan is to violently upset the equilibrium through an extinction level event, providing the impetus for humanities evolution. He was locked out of the nuclear codes by the remains of JARVIS. It was the Avengers themselves he was angry at for what he considered to be war mongering, he sees himself as heroic, not killing if possible and aiding the twins. It's only after Vision is stolen from him and he is burned off the net that he reworks his plan to global extinction out of anger.

Hope that helps you understand better.

 

[Doc Samson]

Yeah,but that was something that I wish they sorta "soft-retconned". I always felt rage was the emotion-the trigger for the hulk out, not simply just "how fast his heart is beating".

Seeing how almost nothing else about TIH is ever mentioned, I agree, they could've just gotten rid of that. Same way they have Blonsky, Betty, Thunderbolt, Sterns, etc.

 

[Golgo-13]

No signature Hulk moves, no thunder clap, no hitting the ground, no hulk talking..wtf were they thinking with this one? They finally get Hulk right after several failures in Avengers 1; everyone said he was the highlight of the first film, so they decide to screw him for the 2nd in favor of what.....

And the CGI for Hulk was NOT on par with the first film, especially where Hulk is in the snow. He was horribly rendered when being calmed by BW. And the shot where he's standing with the rest of the team as Ultron and his minions are about to fight looks like he has been cut and pasted from a video game.

There was no lead up to the Hulk buster fight, it just seemed to happen just to showcase a big action sequence. Would it have killed them to show what exactly Hulk/Banner was seeing after Scarlet Witch hexed him? They showed what the rest of the team was seeing....

This movie was a huge let down.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah I think the whole "nuclear" bombs to destroy the world is cliche. I'm glad Whedon avoided that by having Jarvis constantly lock Ultron out and change the launch codes. Ultrons plan to cause an extinction level event was smart and a breath of fresh air.

 

[TeeKay]

Seeing how almost nothing else about TIH is ever mentioned, I agree, they could've just gotten rid of that. Same way they have Blonsky, Betty, Thunderbolt, Sterns, etc.

Not anymore. He's going to be in Civil War.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's only after Vision is stolen from him and he is burned off the net that he reworks his plan to global extinction

Sorry, but this not true, the Twins leave him before this because SW can read Visions mind when Ultron is uploading his personality into the body and sees Ultron wanting to destroy the world.