Homecoming **SPOILERS*** What issues did you have with the film?

[metaphysician]

This might be the silliest complaint I've seen about the movie thus far, which really says a lot.

Yeah, its not like the thing didn't have security. The key to the plan for stealing it relied on sneaking onboard without smashing a hole in the side. Toomes needed both extra tricks on his flight suit, *and* the phasing device, to do this. At which point they overrode the security by direct physical access, *and* a decoy drone.

Basically, the thing's security was "I start out as a stealth invisible aircraft, and any diversion or damage immediately alerts Stark". Door gets forced open, Stark knows; planes flies off course, Stark knows; Stark knows, Iron Man shows up and your day sucks. Which is a perfectly reasonable defense mechanism. Toomes just had a crack hijacking setup suited to heist it without being noticed, if he was willing to take the risk.

 

[LaughterLives]

For the suit, but Peter's own irresponsible actions wouldn't absolve him from what could be avoided.

If Peter was a grown man, I'd agree with you. He's an impressionable kid who happens to idolize a man whose a superhero. Not only that but its clear that he desperately wants and needs a father figure.
Tony came into Pete's life, wanting his help and not the other way around. If he wasn't gonna act responsible for this kid then he should've stayed out of his life.

The Whole movie is basically Pete trying to impress Tony and thats Tony's fault. Tony gave the kid a taste and the kid became a junkie, basically. But he is only a child.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Being a mature science genius doesn't overpower the inherent dumbness that comes from being a hormonal teenager with very little life experience

 

[LaughterLives]

You have a good point.
Also, what on earth would a bunch of unarmed FBI agents were going to do against Vulture an Shocker at the ferry?
Granted he didn't have his wings but you can't tell me that was remote controlled.

Thanx, homes.

hahaha! I don't know. That entire scene was pretty ridiculous.

 

[2kt09]

If Peter was a grown man, I'd agree with you. He's an impressionable kid who happens to idolize a man whose a superhero. Not only that but its clear that he desperately wants and needs a father figure.
Tony came into Pete's life, wanting his help and not the other way around. If he wasn't gonna act responsible for this kid then he should've stayed out of his life.

The Whole movie is basically Pete trying to impress Tony and thats Tony's fault. Tony gave the kid a taste and the kid became a junkie, basically. But he is only a child.

The Urkel schtick was that grating.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I was referring to the massive difference that Bill Gates wouldn't ask me to do some political grey area super-enforcer job. And let's say I had superpowers and Bill Gates did ask me to do a job and I had some clue that it's about taking down Elon Musk, I wouldn't just go beat the guy up without a concrete idea what's going.

In Peter's case he knows it's something about taking down Captain America, one of the original core Avengers, so as a smart kid he should have the common sense that getting involved in such a thing without solid information is a highly irresponsible use of his powers. Even when killing isn't a part of it

And if he doesn't have that kind of basic common sense then to me that makes him plain stupid

That might lead to another issue since in CW we clearly hear Spider-Man say that Stark told him that Cap is weak at the legs and that "you're wrong but you think you're right and that makes you dangerous." This is info that Stark gave to Peter. So, either the v-log was made prior to him learning that info or Stark lied to Peter about the reasons why they were bringing in Cap to gain his assistance.

What I gather is that Peter believes he is doing the right thing. Wasn't the public under the impression that Cap is a criminal?

Going back to the v-logs, after the 'fight' between the two sides, we see Peter in the hotel room, very excited over everything that happened. It's like this was the very first time he's ever done anything to this scale. I know people are upset or tired of seeing the whole 'he's just a kid that's been starstruck (for lack of a better word) and idolizes these heroes' but the reality is, this is the entry point for Spider-Man into the MCU. He's young and still very much learning the hero bit and making mistakes just like the 616 and other iterations of the character. One of the aspects of Homecoming that I truly enjoyed was seeing Peter making mistakes and trying to navigate the learning curve of becoming a hero. The difference is Peter is coming into a situation where the MCU/Avengers and other heroes are already well-established. Whereas in 616, Peter was really like one of the only heroes around. You had the F4, rumors of the Hulk, Antman was running around but Iron man was not yet in the picture, Cap America was still on ice, etc.

IMO, this is another situation where people are making mountains out of mole hills. I guess it wouldn't be the Hype otherwise.

These were my biggest issues with the film.
1.) The Uncle Ben conundrum. Marvel pulled a hard over-correct in this film, and they need to realize that there's a nice middle ground between not giving us another 40 minute origin...and not mentioning Uncle Ben at all. Now, I don't agree with some that his presence isn't felt. It is, it's just very subtle. I think they could have at least mentioned him. Even something as simple as changing Peter's line to Ned about May from, "She's been through so much" to, "She's been through so much, after Uncle Ben..." that's it. Pete looking at a family Picture of him and May and Ben...just little references would have been nice.

2.) The Michelle/MJ thing. I've talked about this a lot in the Zendaya thread, and it comes down to this: If you want to introduce an original character, don't give her a nickname that will have your audience constantly associate her with another character. Not the best move. I really enjoyed her performance and I'm fine with an original love interest, but don't have me constantly thinking about Mary Jane every time she's on screen because people are calling her MJ.

I agree on both points. And I wonder if Marvel/Sony had even thought about casting someone for Uncle Ben. If they don't bring in some kind of strong reference to Ben in the sequel, like many others, I'll be upset.

 

[The Joker]

LOL "Critic" is banned already.

 

[Tymminator]

LOL "Critic" is banned already.

I missed what Critic did to get banned, but if I were to guess, I would not be surprised if "Somebody" and "Critic" were the same person.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I agree on both points. And I wonder if Marvel/Sony had even thought about casting someone for Uncle Ben. If they don't bring in some kind of strong reference to Ben in the sequel, like many others, I'll be upset.

I hope they eventually cast someone to show us a flashback scene or two. I don't need a full origin by any means, but just something. What I think this film was missing that really would have helped, was just a bit more of the sense of loss that Peter should be dealing with. And I didn't feel that as much as I would have liked. This kid just lost his only father figure less than a year ago. We needed to see the after effects of that. Just a bit more of the emotion that Peter showed Ned when getting him to back off on his idea of Telling May. Or heck, having one of the reasons that Liz is being so accepting of Pete's flakiness be because she knows that he just lost Uncle Ben. Have the Vulture reference that Peter's already lost someone, and he'll take even more people away. Etc.

We just needed to feel that loss a bit more.

 

[AlluAllu]

What I gather is that Peter believes he is doing the right thing. Wasn't the public under the impression that Cap is a criminal?

I think this is important. People knew from the news that Cap was resisting the will of dozens of nations and then it's on the news that Cap's best friend just bombed the UN. I think it is reasonable assumption that Peter would side against him with the info that he had.

 

[2kt09]

Are the public still under the impression that Cap is a criminal?

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

the coach said "im pretty dude's a war criminal but whatever" so yeah

 

[2kt09]

the coach said "I'm pretty sure the dude's a war criminal but whatever" so yeah

good ol' Hannibal Buress

 

[spiderman2]

Found a great funny photo really wish I knew how to post photos on hear. I see the insert image thing but I don't see a way to really do it has it ask for a URL on here unlike other ways you can do photos on other web sites.

 

[2kt09]

Found a great funny photo really wish I knew how to post photos on hear. I see the insert image thing but I don't see a way to really do it has it ask for a URL on here unlike other ways you can do photos on other web sites.

you're going to have upload it first to an image hosting site or even tumblr/twitter/etc. And then copy the link of the image.

 

[spiderman2]

you're going to have upload it first to an image hosting site or even tumblr/twitter/etc. And then copy the link of the image.

I just don't know why they make it so hard and confusing on hear to post photos unlike other places.

 

[2kt09]

I just don't know why they make it so hard and confusing on hear to post photos unlike other places.

to teach us the value of coding

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

i always just right click>copy image address and paste the link in the url prompt. If there's no choice to copy image address I click open image in new tab and copy the url.

 

[spiderman2]

i always just right click>copy image address and paste the link in the url prompt. If there's no choice to copy image address I click open image in new tab and copy the url.

How do you copy a URL when it is just a image you saved to your computer? Then there is no URL lol. BTW I just realized I posted this in the issues with the movie thread by accident meant to post it in a different spot.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

How do you copy a URL when it is just a image you saved to your computer? Then there is no URL lol. BTW I just realized I posted this in the issues with the movie thread by accident meant to post it in a different spot.

oh my bad lol. Well if it helps imgur is the fastest site to use imo. It takes like two clicks and you've uploaded a picture

 

[TheWallCrawler]

That might lead to another issue since in CW we clearly hear Spider-Man say that Stark told him that Cap is weak at the legs and that "you're wrong but you think you're right and that makes you dangerous." This is info that Stark gave to Peter. So, either the v-log was made prior to him learning that info or Stark lied to Peter about the reasons why they were bringing in Cap to gain his assistance.

What I gather is that Peter believes he is doing the right thing. Wasn't the public under the impression that Cap is a criminal?

Going back to the v-logs, after the 'fight' between the two sides, we see Peter in the hotel room, very excited over everything that happened. It's like this was the very first time he's ever done anything to this scale. I know people are upset or tired of seeing the whole 'he's just a kid that's been starstruck (for lack of a better word) and idolizes these heroes' but the reality is, this is the entry point for Spider-Man into the MCU. He's young and still very much learning the hero bit and making mistakes just like the 616 and other iterations of the character. One of the aspects of Homecoming that I truly enjoyed was seeing Peter making mistakes and trying to navigate the learning curve of becoming a hero. The difference is Peter is coming into a situation where the MCU/Avengers and other heroes are already well-established. Whereas in 616, Peter was really like one of the only heroes around. You had the F4, rumors of the Hulk, Antman was running around but Iron man was not yet in the picture, Cap America was still on ice, etc.

Well you have a point there. As far as my personal preferences go, it's really awkward that they introduced a 15 year old Spiderman in the Civil War battle so I still don't like it, but I do see your point.

I still wish they hadn't had Peter vlog during the battle though. I know it's technically just small thing but that definitely makes him seem like an airhead and made me dislike this Peter from the beginning of the movie. Infact most of the vlog stuff in the beginning made him pretty obnoxious. And I don't mind that Peter is starstruck by Tony, but what I do mind is how obsessed Peter is with him. The way he had sent a barrage of texts without answer and still kept sending messages made him more of a weirdo than a likable relatable person

I think those are perfectly legitimate reasons not to like the character. To be clear, I don't mean that your reasons for liking him are any less legitimate. In the end it's subjective and we don't have to agree

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Saw this movie Yesterday my issues with this movie are:

1- This movie could have been called Iron Man 4: Guest Staring Spider-Man.

2- Peter is not a photograph.

3- Spider-Man doesn't have spider sense.

4- Aunt May is so young.

5- Forced humor in a lot of scenes.

6- Iron-Man is basically the Boss of Spider-Man

7- There's no origin story in this movie, he just mention that got bitten by a spider. (What spider? a regular one? Doesn't say)

8 - Peter love interest in this movie seems forced somehow.

9 - Where's Harry? Peter's actual best friend.

10 - Where's Mary Jane? Peter's actual first love.

 

[ThatOneGuy]

Saw this movie Yesterday my issues with this movie are:

1- This movie could have been called Iron Man 4: Guest Staring Spider-Man.

2- Peter is not a photograph.

3- Spider-Man doesn't have spider sense.

4- Aunt May is so young.

5- Forced humor in a lot of scenes.

6- Iron-Man is basically the Boss of Spider-Man

7- There's no origin story in this movie, he just mention that got bitten by a spider. (What spider? a regular one? Doesn't say)

8 - Peter love interest in this movie seems forced somehow.

9 - Where's Harry? Peter's actual best friend.

10 - Where's Mary Jane? Peter's actual first love.

I'm not even sure if I can take some of these complaints seriously...

 

[slimshady247]

Saw this movie Yesterday my issues with this movie are:

1- This movie could have been called Iron Man 4: Guest Staring Spider-Man.

2- Peter is not a photograph.

3- Spider-Man doesn't have spider sense.

4- Aunt May is so young.

5- Forced humor in a lot of scenes.

6- Iron-Man is basically the Boss of Spider-Man

7- There's no origin story in this movie, he just mention that got bitten by a spider. (What spider? a regular one? Doesn't say)

8 - Peter love interest in this movie seems forced somehow.

9 - Where's Harry? Peter's actual best friend.

10 - Where's Mary Jane? Peter's actual first love.

That first one doesn't even make sense if you've watched the film. That was a fear people had BEFORE watching the movie, I have no idea how you think there was too much Iron Man when he's in the movie for all of 5 minutes.

The other one I bolded is just you being deliberately obtuse. We've had two films after Peter being bitten by a radioactive/genetically modified spider. I think we all know the story by now.

The rest are similarly problematic but I don't feel like responding to them because there probably isn't much point.

 

[Syncos]

Saw this movie Yesterday my issues with this movie are:

1- This movie could have been called Iron Man 4: Guest Staring Spider-Man.

2- Peter is not a photograph.

3- Spider-Man doesn't have spider sense.

4- Aunt May is so young.

5- Forced humor in a lot of scenes.

6- Iron-Man is basically the Boss of Spider-Man

7- There's no origin story in this movie, he just mention that got bitten by a spider. (What spider? a regular one? Doesn't say)

8 - Peter love interest in this movie seems forced somehow.

9 - Where's Harry? Peter's actual best friend.

10 - Where's Mary Jane? Peter's actual first love.

I'm going to respond to these in reverse order.

Firstly, if you think "Mary Jane is Peter's first love" you need to read a damned comic book.

His high school era love interest is Liz Allen.
His first real LOVE was Gwen Stacey, whom he doesn't meet until university.
Around the same time he met Harry.
8 I just straight up disagree with. I thought it was done pretty well. Seemed like an average kid with a crush.
7. Thank GOD it wasn't another origin. I'm so glad they didn't waste another half movie telling the same origin over and over again.

6. More of a mentor. And it makes sense. It's his tech out there, he doesn't want this kid killing himself, or getting someone killed.

5. In some scenes, yeah. All of these movies are hit or miss with the jokes.

4. So? Peter is in high school. He's 15 years old. May would be pretty young.

3. He has Spider-sense. He does crazy impossible reactions to things he can't possibly see. Just because they don't say the words spider sense, or go into bullet time doesn't mean it's not a part of the character.

2. Did you know what you wanted to do for a career your first year of high school? I didn't. Neither does Peter.

1. Iron man is barely in this film. You're over reacting. Tony is seen in 3 scenes totalling like 7 minutes of screen time.