Superman Returns SR wins 2 Total Film Readers awards!

[stargazer]

Just thought i'd resurrect this thread, its funny, with so many people claiming that SR didnt resonate with the fanbase, that it managed to win the Best Movie of 2006 award, an award that was voted for by movie-goers as well.

This just goes to show the movie resonated more than people want to admit.

Reading the article posted with it is a nice reminder also:

Superman Returns
Total Film Readers' Awards: Best Movie and Breakout Star Of The Year - Brandon Routh
“This is very cool,” says Superman. Sorry: Brandon Routh. The soaraway winner of the vote for Breakout Star, Routh exceeded expectations as the redux Clark Kent, matching Reeves’ bumbling innocence and arguably out-muscling the original star in the epic action scenes... You clearly adored Bryan Singer’s re-forging of the Man Of Steel, powering Superman Returns to Best Movie, too. “It’s always cool to get awards from fans, from people who know what’s going on,” grins Routh. “And they’re film aficionados if they’re reading Total Film. We’re very flattered.”

Nice job, Aveit!! I got this issue and totally agree with the award to Routh and SR. The movie is just wonderful and so compelling, IMO. I love it!

But I have to say that you also deserve an award for being such a loyal fan and defender of SR!! I'm so proud of you, man! Despite all the negativity and criticism by some people, you never change your mind on the film and I think that is awesome. You seem confident and so sure of yourself and of what you want. Great!


P.S. Do you have the link for the awards?

 

[stargazer]

I think you have missed my point Dark B, i wouldnt be bothered by oscars either, but most of the awards SR has won have been voted for general movie fans, when a lot of haters say SR didnt connect with the General Audience, this type of thing just shows how wrong they are.

Exactly!

It's clear to me that most people who watched the film liked it, some really loved it, some didn't care much for it, and a tiny minority hated it (and the last ones are very loud, especially here on the Internet, lol)

Thankfully this (the Internet) is not the real world, though some think it is...haha.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nice job, Aveit!! I got this issue and totally agree with the award to Routh and SR. The movie is just wonderful and so compelling, IMO. I love it!

But I have to say that you also deserve an award for being such a loyal fan and defender of SR!! I'm so proud of you, man! Despite all the negativity and criticism by some people, you never change your mind on the film and I think that is awesome. You seem confident and so sure of yourself and of what you want. Great!


P.S. Do you have the link for the awards?

I dont have link unfortunately MP, but the movie definately deserved the awards. The only person who will ever make me change my mind on this movie is me, and thats how it always will be, despite some people trying to change, or in their mind, "Correct me." Never gonna happen, and at the moment, it looks like MOS will be made, which i hope to God is true.

Exactly!

It's clear to me that most people who watched the film liked it, some really loved it, some didn't care much for it, and a tiny minority hated it (and the last ones are very loud, especially here on the Internet, lol)

Thankfully this (the Internet) is not the real world, though some think it is...haha.

You dont get readers awards if you didnt connect with the audience, these, and the other awards the movie won, speak for themselves.

 

[X-Maniac]

Superman Returns is no way the best movie of 2006.

Other films released in 2006: Casino Royale, Pan's Labyrinth, V for Vendetta, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, The Prestige, The Illusionist, Children of Men, Da Vinci Code. I haven't seen Apocalypto... but all the other movies were better than SR.

(I've left out loads of movies from that year, such as PoTC: Dead Man's Chest, and even X:Men The Last Stand.)

 

[I Am The Knight]

Superman Returns is no way the best movie of 2006.

Agreed. Doesn't means it doesn't deserves recognition from people who enjoyed it.

Other films released in 2006: Casino Royale, Pan's Labyrinth, V for Vendetta, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, The Prestige, The Illusionist, Children of Men, Da Vinci Code. I haven't seen Apocalypto... but all the other movies were better than SR.

Arguable. But agreed. Children of Men was obviously the best of the ones you mention there. Pan's Labyrinth was pretty good too. Not agreed on Apocalypto, V for Vendetta, Casino Royale, and Blood Diamond, though. And THE DA VINCI CODE? Seriously?

(I've left out loads of movies from that year, such as PoTC: Dead Man's Chest, and even X:Men The Last Stand.)

Ugh, no. To each their own I guess. Those 2, especially X3, are among some of the worst movies of that year.

 

[X-Maniac]

Agreed. Doesn't means it doesn't deserves recognition from people who enjoyed it.

Recognition? Yes. Winning? No.

Arguable. But agreed. Children of Men was obviously the best of the ones you mention there. Pan's Labyrinth was pretty good too. Not agreed on Apocalypto, V for Vendetta, Casino Royale, and Blood Diamond, though. And THE DA VINCI CODE? Seriously?

Children of Men was grittily realistic but a terrible adaptation of PD James' book (which is much more poetic, with potential for a much better film). Pan's Labyrinth was fantastic, it only wrongfooted once (when we see Ofelia talking to nothing at the end, thus destroying the mystery that it might be real or might not, as we see it's all in her imagination). Didn't see Apocalypto. Loved Casino Royale (great modern reinvention of character, fantastically innovative action sequences, great cinematography), loved V for Vendetta (the US didn't like the fact it was set in England or that it was anti-American... but it's a great movie, Weaving's acting... through a mask!... is topnotch, the ideas and poetry of it all are wonderful).

Da Vinci Code is a very nice story, hindered by its own faithfulness to the book in places (a no-win situation as deviation would also have produced complaints!).

Ugh, no. To each their own I guess. Those 2, especially X3, are among some of the worst movies of that year.

Enjoyed both as popcorn action-adventure, they both have their good points. They were undeniably popular with the mainstream audience. I thought both were better than SR. X3 gets far too much hate which, on here, is usually politically motivated and not related to the content of the movie as a movie.

 

[stargazer]

Superman Returns is no way the best movie of 2006.

Other films released in 2006: Casino Royale, Pan's Labyrinth, V for Vendetta, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, The Prestige, The Illusionist, Children of Men, Da Vinci Code. I haven't seen Apocalypto... but all the other movies were better than SR.

(I've left out loads of movies from that year, such as PoTC: Dead Man's Chest, and even X:Men The Last Stand.)

To me and many people, Superman Returns was obviously the best movie of the year. Accept it, X-Maniac, a lot of people really enjoyed the movie, and No matter what YOU say, it is the truth.

I honestly love the movie and think is Fantastic in every way. The story is compelling and so mature, it is also intense, epic, very romantic, exciting, magical, and it's so full of subtext and has tons of layers that are very interesting and amazing. Perhaps you didn't care about them or just couldn't see it.. Still, if you didn't like it, well I see no problem with that, but don't imply that those who loved it are lying to themselves, because we are old enough to know why or how we like our movies.

It was not the best for YOU and that's fine, but you are trying to deny the facts, and I think that's rather immature honestly. I can't understand how someone who didn't care much for a movie can still be talking or complaining about it so much....I just can't. Don't you think it's time to move on to more enjoyable and interesting things? I think it's healthier.

From you list, I loved V for Vendetta, liked The Prestige, and really loved Pan's Labyrinth. But was totally bored with Pirates (and you saying that it's better than SR.. well, I just can't understand it, but ok..). And X-Men 3 was kinda fun but Shallow, yes, and I know you prefer it to SR and that's fair, but, can I understand it? Not really, but hey, to each their own.

I want to see Children of Men, it sounds great, and also Apocalipto. I'll rent them soon.


P.S. And please don't waste your time in explaining to me how exactly you think SR was not good. I've read it in detail in lots of your posts. It really is not necessary, because I really know how you feel about it. Thanks.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm glad but not amazed.

Glad that they're getting some recognition. Not amazed, it is a fantastic movie, one of the best in the genre.

Idiots.

 

[X-Maniac]

Of course I understand that some people loved SR, that some people worship every frame of the movie.

But, biases aside, I don't think it is the best movie of 2006.

I won't claim that the popcorn stuff like Pirates and X3 is the best either. I don't think an X-Men movie featuring many characters is ever going to have the depth and character development of a movie about one superhero, such as Batman, Spider-Man, Superman.

If you enjoy, SR that's fine. There are differing opinions on here and I am always interested in reading positive interpretations as well to see if they can offer new reasoning and new points of view. If someone can argue a point convincingly, then that's great.

 

[El Payaso]

Of course I understand that some people hated SR, that some people loathe every frame of the movie.

But, biases aside, I do think it is the best movie of 2006.

 

[stargazer]

Of course I understand that some people loved SR, that some people worship every frame of the movie.

But, biases aside, I don't think it is the best movie of 2006.

I won't claim that the popcorn stuff like Pirates and X3 is the best either. I don't think an X-Men movie featuring many characters is ever going to have the depth and character development of a movie about one superhero, such as Batman, Spider-Man, Superman.

If you enjoy, SR that's fine. There are differing opinions on here and I am always interested in reading positive interpretations as well to see if they can offer new reasoning and new points of view. If someone can argue a point convincingly, then that's great.

Well, I love both X-Men 1 and especially X-Men 2, which I think it's fantastic. I love Singer's work. I think he is a great storyteller.

 

[stargazer]

I dont have link unfortunately MP, but the movie definately deserved the awards. The only person who will ever make me change my mind on this movie is me, and thats how it always will be, despite some people trying to change, or in their mind, "Correct me." Never gonna happen, and at the moment, it looks like MOS will be made, which i hope to God is true.




You dont get readers awards if you didnt connect with the audience, these, and the other awards the movie won, speak for themselves.

Agreed.

And yes, I also Want MAN OF STEEL to happen soon. Brandon makes a perfect Superman in every way, and I can't wait to see what else he does in the role. He was such an inspired choice as Superman, really.

 

[mego joe]

To me and many people, Superman Returns was obviously the best movie of the year. Accept it, X-Maniac, a lot of people really enjoyed the movie, and No matter what YOU say, it is the truth.

I honestly love the movie and think is Fantastic in every way. The story is compelling and so mature, it is also intense, epic, very romantic, exciting, magical, and it's so full of subtext and has tons of layers that are very interesting and amazing. Perhaps you didn't care about them or just couldn't see it.. Still, if you didn't like it, well I see no problem with that, but don't imply that those who loved it are lying to themselves, because we are old enough to know why or how we like our movies.

It was not the best for YOU and that's fine, but you are trying to deny the facts, and I think that's rather immature honestly. I can't understand how someone who didn't care much for a movie can still be talking or complaining about it so much....I just can't. Don't you think it's time to move on to more enjoyable and interesting things? I think it's healthier.

From you list, I loved V for Vendetta, liked The Prestige, and really loved Pan's Labyrinth. But was totally bored with Pirates (and you saying that it's better than SR.. well, I just can't understand it, but ok..). And X-Men 3 was kinda fun but Shallow, yes, and I know you prefer it to SR and that's fair, but, can I understand it? Not really, but hey, to each their own.

I want to see Children of Men, it sounds great, and also Apocalipto. I'll rent them soon.


P.S. And please don't waste your time in explaining to me how exactly you think SR was not good. I've read it in detail in lots of your posts. It really is not necessary, because I really know how you feel about it. Thanks.

What I find interesting is that it's a 'mature' story about immature characters.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, I love both X-Men 1 and especially X-Men 2, which I think it's fantastic. I love Singer's work. I think he is a great storyteller.

Cool, I like it that you loved X1 and X2. (obviously you don't much care for X3).

I think Singer's a good abstract/visual storyteller.... but not a good factual/informative storyteller. He leaves things too vague at times. On the one hand, this avoids exposition that could be clunky; but movies also need a solid base to the story.

 

[stargazer]

Cool, I like it that you loved X1 and X2. (obviously you don't much care for X3).

I think Singer's a good abstract/visual storyteller.... but not a good factual/informative storyteller. He leaves things too vague at times. On the one hand, this avoids exposition that could be clunky; but movies also need a solid base to the story.

I like his style, a lot. He directs his actors in such an interesting way, makes them communicate ideas and feelings not only through dialogue, but also through body language, facial expressions, the eyes, visuals (like in SR) and there is a lot of subtext and layers all over his movies that I find fascinating. He is a very sophisticated director. Love that. Maybe that's a little too complicated for average joe... who knows. I can't wait to see what he does with Valkarye, though I am no Cruise fan, still I want to see what Singer does to him....and Terrence Stamp! Coolness, haha.

 

[El Payaso]

What I find interesting is that it's a 'mature' story about immature characters.

Why not? You can't direct a comedy about serious characters? Or a modern version of an ancient classic?

 

[stargazer]

What I find interesting is that it's a 'mature' story about immature characters.

Not exactly.

I saw a lot of maturity in the characters, but they still had lessons to be learned, challenges to overcome, and some growing up to do, just like we all do in real life. I'm an adult, and I consider myself pretty mature, but I'm still learning about life. We never stop learning, no matter how old we are. In this film Superman is portrayed in a real life setting and as a 3-dimensional character, hence why he was not perfect in every way like in the cartoons.

 

[X-Maniac]

I like his style, a lot. He directs his actors in such an interesting way, makes them communicate ideas and feelings not only through dialogue, but also through body language, facial expressions, the eyes, visuals (like in SR) and there is a lot of subtext and layers all over his movies that I find fascinating. He is a very sophisticated director. Love that. Maybe that's a little too complicated for average joe... who knows. I can't wait to see what he does with Valkarye, though I am no Cruise fan, still I want to see what Singer does to him....and Terrence Stamp! Coolness, haha.

Yes, I too am interested in Valkyrie.

I'm going to put my neck on the block here and say that X3, although not a Singer movie, had a lot of the sort of stuff you describe above. Although it's not as well-crafted a movie in places as the previous two, it still has body language, facial expressions, visual symbolism. There are scenes like Angel's flight of freedom from being cured, Angel's freedom contrasted with Leech's captivity as the boy looks out of the window of his room on Alcatraz. I think even without Singer the third X-Men movie has a lot of symbolism, subtext and deeper meaning and I simply cannot understand the level of hatred for it on here.

 

[mego joe]

Not exactly.

I saw a lot of maturity in the characters, but they still had lessons to be learned, challenges to overcome, and some growing up to do, just like we all do in real life. I'm an adult, and I consider myself pretty mature, but I'm still learning about life. We never stop learning, no matter how old we are. In this film Superman is portrayed in a real life setting and as a 3-dimensional character, hence why he was not perfect in every way like in the cartoons.

There's nothing mature about ditching your girlfried w/o a word- especially considering that he knew it was wrong in the first place and put him own feeling first. It's unbelievable that SUperman had to learn that he should have said goodbye to Lois. That is possibly the lamest character growth I've ever heard of in a movie about a character who is supposed to be a paragon of responsibility and morality. And it's certainly a lack of maturity which drives him to spy on Lois and Richard in their home together.

There's nothing mature about taking out your frustrations with your loser boyfriend in the public press either, which is what Lois did. Superman left and she took it to the papers- not exactly maturity in action either. Don't forget the fact that she needlessly endangerd her son as well.

Don't even bring up Lex, criminals are instrinically immature- otherwise they wouldn't be capable of hurting the people they do hurt.

RIchard is the ONLY character that showed consistent maturity throughout the film, and probably why I liked him the most and identified with him. As a responsible and mature husband and father of two- I didn't identify with either SUperman or Lois. Richard- Yes.

People are not capable of making every mistake in the book. SOme people just aren't capable of making certain ones- that's the problem with the story and characterization in SR- the film hinges on a mistake that Superman would NEVER make. Then to try and have him do it with 'vauge' and flimsy backstory just creates a weak foundation for the plot.

And he's not perfect in everyway like in the cartoons he's just a mature adult who understands responsibility. There are different kinds of mistakes and SR portrays Superman as an emotionally weak, high school screw up, not a mature adult who tries to do the right thing but sometimes it doesn't work out as he imagines it might.

The character were flat and boring and poorly developed.

You'r right, we all learn about life as we get older, but Superman should not be facing the basic fact that it's right to say goodbye as a 30 year old man. Every kid learns this before they go to school. It truly got the character wrong in making his sense of common decency so remedial. He's an adult for crying out loud, not an angsty immature teenager.

How about a movie about SuperMAN and not SuperTEEN.

Sorry guy, immature characters.

 

[mego joe]

Yes, I too am interested in Valkyrie.

I'm going to put my neck on the block here and say that X3, although not a Singer movie, had a lot of the sort of stuff you describe above. Although it's not as well-crafted a movie in places as the previous two, it still has body language, facial expressions, visual symbolism. There are scenes like Angel's flight of freedom from being cured, Angel's freedom contrasted with Leech's captivity as the boy looks out of the window of his room on Alcatraz. I think even without Singer the third X-Men movie has a lot of symbolism, subtext and deeper meaning and I simply cannot understand the level of hatred for it on here.

Me neither. But then again- a lot of folks can't undestand our level of dislike with SR either.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Nice job, Aveit!! I got this issue and totally agree with the award to Routh and SR. The movie is just wonderful and so compelling, IMO. I love it!

But I have to say that you also deserve an award for being such a loyal fan and defender of SR!! I'm so proud of you, man! Despite all the negativity and criticism by some people, you never change your mind on the film and I think that is awesome. You seem confident and so sure of yourself and of what you want. Great!


P.S. Do you have the link for the awards?

Brandon Routh= great talent.

SR= good but with wasted potential.

 

[stargazer]

Yes, I too am interested in Valkyrie.

I'm going to put my neck on the block here and say that X3, although not a Singer movie, had a lot of the sort of stuff you describe above. Although it's not as well-crafted a movie in places as the previous two, it still has body language, facial expressions, visual symbolism. There are scenes like Angel's flight of freedom from being cured, Angel's freedom contrasted with Leech's captivity as the boy looks out of the window of his room on Alcatraz. I think even without Singer the third X-Men movie has a lot of symbolism, subtext and deeper meaning and I simply cannot understand the level of hatred for it on here.

I don't hate it. I'm just not interested in it, that's why I never visit any threads where people discuss it. It's been a long time since I've seen it, and I've forgotten a lot of it. The movie just didn't move me enough to really care, but it looked cool visually speaking. I'll try to watch it again soon. I'll let you know how I feel after it. But if you enjoy it...who cares what others think? Everybody is different.

 

[stargazer]

Brandon Routh= great talent.

SR= good but with wasted potential.

Brandon Routh= great talent and inspiring choice for Superman. I see a lot of potential in him to become a really great actor.

SR= brilliant, thought provoking, compelling, deep, different, enthralling, magical, even if it isn't totally perfect in every aspect. I enjoy it deeply and wouldn't change it for anything.

 

[stargazer]

There's nothing mature about ditching your girlfried w/o a word- especially considering that he knew it was wrong in the first place and put him own feeling first. It's unbelievable that SUperman had to learn that he should have said goodbye to Lois. That is possibly the lamest character growth I've ever heard of in a movie about a character who is supposed to be a paragon of responsibility and morality. And it's certainly a lack of maturity which drives him to spy on Lois and Richard in their home together.

There's nothing mature about taking out your frustrations with your loser boyfriend in the public press either, which is what Lois did. Superman left and she took it to the papers- not exactly maturity in action either. Don't forget the fact that she needlessly endangerd her son as well.

Don't even bring up Lex, criminals are instrinically immature- otherwise they wouldn't be capable of hurting the people they do hurt.

RIchard is the ONLY character that showed consistent maturity throughout the film, and probably why I liked him the most and identified with him. As a responsible and mature husband and father of two- I didn't identify with either SUperman or Lois. Richard- Yes.

People are not capable of making every mistake in the book. SOme people just aren't capable of making certain ones- that's the problem with the story and characterization in SR- the film hinges on a mistake that Superman would NEVER make. Then to try and have him do it with 'vauge' and flimsy backstory just creates a weak foundation for the plot.

And he's not perfect in everyway like in the cartoons he's just a mature adult who understands responsibility. There are different kinds of mistakes and SR portrays Superman as an emotionally weak, high school screw up, not a mature adult who tries to do the right thing but sometimes it doesn't work out as he imagines it might.

The character were flat and boring and poorly developed.

You'r right, we all learn about life as we get older, but Superman should not be facing the basic fact that it's right to say goodbye as a 30 year old man. Every kid learns this before they go to school. It truly got the character wrong in making his sense of common decency so remedial. He's an adult for crying out loud, not an angsty immature teenager.

How about a movie about SuperMAN and not SuperTEEN.

Sorry guy, immature characters.

Ok. ...

I give up. Some things will never change.

 

[El Payaso]

There's nothing mature about ditching your girlfried w/o a word- especially considering that he knew it was wrong in the first place and put him own feeling first. It's unbelievable that SUperman had to learn that he should have said goodbye to Lois. That is possibly the lamest character growth I've ever heard of in a movie about a character who is supposed to be a paragon of responsibility and morality. And it's certainly a lack of maturity which drives him to spy on Lois and Richard in their home together.

It seems Superman has been used too much in publicity and certain campaigns since he’s supposed to be some kind of perfect role model when, in reality, even role models have problems and make mistakes. As anyone else, he has the right to learn from his mistakes which he’s entitled to make as long as he faces the consequences.

There's nothing mature about taking out your frustrations with your loser boyfriend in the public press either, which is what Lois did. Superman left and she took it to the papers- not exactly maturity in action either. Don't forget the fact that she needlessly endangerd her son as well.

And now I lost the bit when Lois was supposed to be a mature character. She might have matured throughout the movie, but she’s far from being a mature character.

Don't even bring up Lex, criminals are instrinically immature- otherwise they wouldn't be capable of hurting the people they do hurt.

Jesus Christ NO! Lex and his henchmen immature???? Are you sure about this revolutionary theory of yours??

They base their lives on taking from and hurt innocent people as a way of making a living? What are you trying to prove here? They’re supposed to be twisted people.

RIchard is the ONLY character that showed consistent maturity throughout the film, and probably why I liked him the most and identified with him. As a responsible and mature husband and father of two- I didn't identify with either SUperman or Lois. Richard- Yes.

Richard is a hero. For what we know, his apparent perfection should match your life.

People are not capable of making every mistake in the book. SOme people just aren't capable of making certain ones- that's the problem with the story and characterization in SR- the film hinges on a mistake that Superman would NEVER make. Then to try and have him do it with 'vauge' and flimsy backstory just creates a weak foundation for the plot.

Superman would never quit his mission or go to a diner to take personal revenge on a human being. But hey, that happened in Superman II. Much to your personal life’s mismatch, this guy is not perfect. And has shown us so before.

And he's not perfect in everyway like in the cartoons he's just a mature adult who understands responsibility. There are different kinds of mistakes and SR portrays Superman as an emotionally weak, high school screw up, not a mature adult who tries to do the right thing but sometimes it doesn't work out as he imagines it might.

Of course you know about the difference between understanding something and do it. I mean, of course with your moral standards you don’t know. But you’d probably have heard of.

The character were flat and boring and poorly developed.

Just like you like your Daredevil movie. No problem here.

You'r right, we all learn about life as we get older, but Superman should not be facing the basic fact that it's right to say goodbye as a 30 year old man. Every kid learns this before they go to school. It truly got the character wrong in making his sense of common decency so remedial. He's an adult for crying out loud, not an angsty immature teenager.

Superman learnt that too. The problem is when you face the actual situation. Adults, that are not perfect like you of course, suffers from pain and anguish many times. Those are not adolescence-only stages. Not even immaturity is adolescence-only characteristic.