Star Ocean: The Last Hope

[RickO'Connell]

http://www.strategyinformer.com/xbox360/staroceanthelasthope/movie/24277.html

360 Exclusive for the time being. I can not believe Sony let another game go they are idiots

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

There is no word if it´s a timely exclusive or not, there is no word by MS on Star Ocean of it being exclusive either.
It might go either way, but, yeah, i give it 70% changes of it being on the PS3 too.

What i find awesome is that, back in 2006, Microsoft said that they wanted the 360 to be the new Snes when it comes to JRPGs, and, guess what, they are doing it.
So far they released:
- Blue Dragon
- Lost Odyssey
- Enchanted Arms

This year:
- The Last Remnant
- Infinite Undiscovery
- Tales of Vesperia
- Operation Darkness (turn based)
- Spectral Force 3 (turn based, in the likes of Fire Emblem)

2009 and Beyond:
- Star Ocean
- Cry On
- Blue Dragon 2
- Lost Odyssey 2 (?)

For a console (Xbox) that had no JRPGs, they are doing an amazing job at it.
Still waiting for the announcement of FFXIII to be multi-platform, is not 100%, but there is 70% chances.
One year ago, the president of SCE France said:

"The development costs of games have exploded, and it has become more difficult to have exclusives, outside of our own games...
...As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion."

Besides, Square-Enix is losing money, and they said they have more annoucements for the 360...

 

[RickO'Connell]

Square just goes where the money goes & with Sony going on record saying they do not think they do not pay for exclusives (they did lose Grand Theft Auto) & Square has never been loyal to anyone & Square has said they want to win over more Western Gamers which they will not with the Playstation 3. I think next gen Square will be exclusive to the XBOX with the odd online title going to the next Playstation

 

[StrainedEyes]

These are the first in-game screenshots.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Square just goes where the money goes & with Sony going on record saying they do not think they do not pay for exclusives (they did lose Grand Theft Auto) & Square has never been loyal to anyone & Square has said they want to win over more Western Gamers which they will not with the Playstation 3. I think next gen Square will be exclusive to the XBOX with the odd online title going to the next Playstation

Sony just recently said that they will pay for exclusives and if Square really wants to win over the Western market they'd have to release on both the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. While the Xbox 360 is on top in North America, the Playstation 3 is on top in the larger European market.

There is no way Square is going to be exclusive to one console at all anymore.

 

[hippie_hunter]

And to add to the discussion, I think that Square-Enix will eventually release this game on the PS3. Just releasing it on the360 really limits the audience in Japan where the core fanbase is. And if they're serious in getting more into the Western market, they'd release it on both platforms.

Another thought, it would be a really good idea to release the original Star Ocean on XBLA to help promote this game.

 

[RickO'Connell]

Another thought, it would be a really good idea to release the original Star Ocean on XBLA to help promote this game.

I would prefer the PSP Remakes of the first two for XBLA then the originals

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would prefer the PSP Remakes of the first two for XBLA then the originals

I think the originals would do better on XBLA because it would take less memory and can be promoted as a classic.

 

[Soapy]

Wow. Strictly from a graphical perspective that's the first JRPG that really looks like it belongs on the current generation of consoles.

I'm really looking forward to getting more information on this game.

 

[Nathan]

http://www.strategyinformer.com/xbox360/staroceanthelasthope/movie/24277.html

360 Exclusive for the time being. I can not believe Sony let another game go they are idiots

Ah... come one! Damn!

 

[RickO'Connell]

Wow. Strictly from a graphical perspective that's the first JRPG that really looks like it belongs on the current generation of consoles

Indeed bring on 2009 This news makes me want to play Till The End Of Time again

 

[RickO'Connell]

Star Ocean's fourth iteration of the popular RPG series, has been announced for Xbox 360 only. The official website makes it clear that the game will be a 360 title, but plans for a PS3 version haven't been completely ruled out yet. "We cannot announce anything on that. We can say that it will be released first [on the Xbox 360]. Whether we'll release it on the PS3 is undecided. We may release it, we may not."

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/10/star-ocean-4-currently-xbox-exclusive-last-remnant-delayed-on-p/

 

[Fading]

Just noticed this thread, bah I hope it comes to the PS3 .

However I will say that Star Ocean 2 is one of my hands down favorite RPG's of all time. My order goes something like this (even tho I've played FFVII one too many times heh), FFVII, Suikoden 2, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2. If this Star Ocean is anything like 2 then Xbox owners should be in for a treat IMO.

 

[Havok83]

I dont see this staying an exclusive forever being that the 360 is barely a presence in Japan

 

[hippie_hunter]

There is no word if it´s a timely exclusive or not, there is no word by MS on Star Ocean of it being exclusive either.
It might go either way, but, yeah, i give it 70% changes of it being on the PS3 too.

What i find awesome is that, back in 2006, Microsoft said that they wanted the 360 to be the new Snes when it comes to JRPGs, and, guess what, they are doing it.
So far they released:
- Blue Dragon
- Lost Odyssey
- Enchanted Arms

This year:
- The Last Remnant
- Infinite Undiscovery
- Tales of Vesperia
- Operation Darkness (turn based)
- Spectral Force 3 (turn based, in the likes of Fire Emblem)

2009 and Beyond:
- Star Ocean
- Cry On
- Blue Dragon 2
- Lost Odyssey 2 (?)

For a console (Xbox) that had no JRPGs, they are doing an amazing job at it.
Still waiting for the announcement of FFXIII to be multi-platform, is not 100%, but there is 70% chances.
One year ago, the president of SCE France said:

Besides, Square-Enix is losing money, and they said they have more annoucements for the 360...

I've just been reading this thread because Tales of Vesperia headed to the PlayStation now got me thinking that Star Ocean will probably end up doing so as well. Especially since the PlayStation 3 is starting to outsell the Wii in Japan.

But this post got me thinking about what you said Isildur and I can't help but completely disagree. What the Super Nintendo had going for it with JRPGs was that they were exclusive to the system for the time being and they were great. You had the Final Fantasy IV-VI, the Dragon Quest V and VI, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, the Secret of Mana, Tales of Phantasia, EarthBound, etc. And they were all memorable and great.

The problem with the 360 JRPGs are that they are ending up multiplatform like Enchanted Arms, the Last Remnant, and Tales of Vesperia. Unremarkable like Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey. Or pure crap like Operation Darkness and Spectral Force 3. Hell, the only one I find that has a good reception and is exclusive is Infinite Undiscovery. The PlayStation 3 has pretty much matched the Xbox 360 and is on the way to surpass it.

Frankly, I can't see neither the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 surpassing the Super Nintendo, PlayStation, PlayStation 2, or Nintendo DS

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I've just been reading this thread because Tales of Vesperia headed to the PlayStation now got me thinking that Star Ocean will probably end up doing so as well. Especially since the PlayStation 3 is starting to outsell the Wii in Japan.

Glad that it is happening.
Nothing against the Wii, nothing at all, but i can´t find any logic for the the huge sucess it is.
To be a sucess, sure, kudos to Nintendo....but to be THAT sucessful...
What does it has for it....the motion control, that´s it.
It isn´t even the cheaper console in the market, the 360 Arcade is.
There is no big amount of amazing games in it (sure, there are those, but there is tons of shovelware too)
So, why?

But this post got me thinking about what you said Isildur and I can't help but completely disagree. What the Super Nintendo had going for it with JRPGs was that they were exclusive to the system for the time being and they were great. You had the Final Fantasy IV-VI, the Dragon Quest V and VI, Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, the Secret of Mana, Tales of Phantasia, EarthBound, etc. And they were all memorable and great.

I respect it, but what exactly to do disagree about?
I never said the 360 was the new Snes (they aren´t), i said they wanted to be, that´s different.
And, as far as a i can remember, even MS didn´t said they were going to acchieve that, they said they wanted to be the console to have for JRPGs, and, in comparison to last gen, they are doing it.

The problem with the 360 JRPGs are that they are ending up multiplatform like Enchanted Arms, the Last Remnant, and Tales of Vesperia. Unremarkable like Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey. Or pure crap like Operation Darkness and Spectral Force 3. Hell, the only one I find that has a good reception and is exclusive is Infinite Undiscovery. The PlayStation 3 has pretty much matched the Xbox 360 and is on the way to surpass it.

The only one i have is Blue Dragon, and i like it, but then again, i never was big on JRPGs, so, when people say that BD is a bit JRPG old school, i can´t compare it to anything, so, it isn´t for me.
As for the other, yeah, Operation Darkness and Spectral Force 3 are horrible for all i know.
And i think you must be mistaken, the one with better reviews, and said to be the best JRPG on the 360 (and this gen) is Lost Odyssey, not Infinite Undiscovery.
IMO, the problem is not the 360, but rather the JRPG genre, which is getting to a dead end, it doesn´t evolve.
Even White Knight Chronicles wasn´t very big on the Japonese market.
And the less we talk about Valkyria Chronicles the better, for the game made less than Blue Dragon in Japan.
The point is, the JRPG is dying outside the DS, let´s see if FFXIII can reignite the flame.

Frankly, I can't see neither the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 surpassing the Super Nintendo, PlayStation, PlayStation 2, or Nintendo DS

They will not, that´s a given.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Glad that it is happening.
Nothing against the Wii, nothing at all, but i can´t find any logic for the the huge sucess it is.

It's price. Seriously, I think that's about it. If it wasn't as cheap as it was and the pricepoint was closer to the PS3/360 I don't think it'd be trampled, but I doubt it would have near the same success.

I never said the 360 was the new Snes (they aren´t), i said they wanted to be, that´s different.
And, as far as a i can remember, even MS didn´t said they were going to acchieve that, they said they wanted to be the console to have for JRPGs, and, in comparison to last gen, they are doing it.

That's true, but that's changing now. With the new era of multiplatorm both will be about equal by this time new year

The only one i have is Blue Dragon, and i like it, but then again, i never was big on JRPGs, so, when people say that BD is a bit JRPG old school, i can´t compare it to anything, so, it isn´t for me.
And i think you must be mistaken, the one with better reviews, and said to be the best JRPG on the 360 (and this gen) is Lost Odyssey, not Infinite Undiscovery.
IMO, the problem is not the 360, but rather the JRPG genre, which is getting to a dead end, it doesn´t evolve.
Even White Knight Chronicles wasn´t very big on the Japonese market.
And the less we talk about Valkyria Chronicles the better, for the game made less than Blue Dragon in Japan.
The point is, the JRPG is dying outside the DS, let´s see if FFXIII can reignite the flame.

Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and Infinite Undiscovery were all about received the same. Actually, I think of all those BD got the warmest reception, though none of them were received all that greatly for rightful reasons. Actually I'd say Tales Of Vesperia was better received then those games.

Whether you like it or not, Valkyria Chronicles is probably considered the best JRPG of this gen. It didn't sell all that well, true, but both criticly and for thos who did buy it, it got very good reception. Of course, it's really not your typical JRPG, so it's hard to catogerize it.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Whether you like it or not, Valkyria Chronicles is probably considered the best JRPG of this gen. It didn't sell all that well, true, but both criticly and for thos who did buy it, it got very good reception. Of course, it's really not your typical JRPG, so it's hard to catogerize it.

Oh, but i agree.
In fact, when i get the PS3 (sometime this summer), that is one of the games i really want to get my hands on.
But, moneywise, it bombed.
It deserved more, but the thing is, it didn´t, and thta´s exactly the point, if things don´t pick up, JRPG will begin to fade away.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, but i agree.
In fact, when i get the PS3 (sometime this summer), that is one of the games i really want to get my hands on.
But, moneywise, it bombed.
It deserved more, but the thing is, it didn´t, and thta´s exactly the point, if things don´t pick up, JRPG will begin to fade away.

The problem I think really with the JRPG genre is the audience. It seems the only things that really sell are the big name franchises. If it doesn't have Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy or Tales Of at the beginning it ends up completely overlooked.

The genre itself, imo, is not much different from before. It just seems there's a rejection of new and original IPs. I don't know what to make of it really

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The genre itself, imo, is not much different from before. It just seems there's a rejection of new and original IPs. I don't know what to make of it really

IMO, the problem is exactly what you say: "is not much different from before.".
Western games are evolving with each years that goes by, JPRG, on the other hand, are frozen in time, things are the same they were 10 years ago.
The genre is all on Final Fantasy XIII shoulders now...

 

[Tron Bonne]

IMO, the problem is exactly what you say: "is not much different from before.".
Western games are evolving with each years that goes by, JPRG, on the other hand, are frozen in time, things are the same they were 10 years ago.
The genre is all on Final Fantasy XIII shoulders now...

Well, how can it evolve when anything new or innovative is rejected in favor of DS remakes? Once again, it's not that the JRPG won't evolve, it's more like it can't. The support for the new is just not there and with as much as they usually cost to make, it's just not profitable to go with anything new

 

[hippie_hunter]

Called it:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...009m9d14-Star-Ocean-4-coming-to-Playstation-3

 

[Nathan]

About time. Just recently I've been to a video store because I was looking for a PS3 game to play. When I went past the 360 section and saw Star Ocean again, I was just thinking "Damn you! Get released on the PS3 already!"

 

[Havok83]

Called it:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...009m9d14-Star-Ocean-4-coming-to-Playstation-3

Haha, so did I. I actually forgot about the game but last year when it was announced, I didnt think it would stay exclusive on the 360

 

[Tron Bonne]

I, for one, am shocked.