Star Wars 2.0 - Part 1.5 Chapter III: Revenge of the Thread - Part 4

[Teelie]

I wasn't defending Spielberg so much as saying Lucas isn't the great almighty he's made out to be. And you really need to chill.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Most of Spielberg's bad films had Lucas involved too. Just saying. Lucas is not some god among filmmakers any more than Spielberg is but the way some of you act, he can do no wrong.

And Speilberg can do no wrong ? . Speilgber was the direcor of Indy Iv . He was respnsible for the terrible cgi & casting choices .... He also directed the god awful War of the Worlds (which had no Lucas involvement ... And since Lucas as a producer is being blamed for Indy Iv , I guess I can blame Speilberg for the Transformer films

 

[Karelia]

Just watched AOTC, it's still probably my least favorite Star Wars film. I think my favorite part of the movie is the Speeder chase on Couruscant. Obi Wan vs Jango Fett is pretty cool as well. The film is just lacking something.

Not a fan of Hayden in AOTC. I don't remember his acting being that bad in ROTS.

Although I would like to say it does look amazing in Blu Ray.

 

[Teelie]

I never said that... I did say "most" not "all."

 

[Karelia]

I'd also like to know who "Jedi Master Syphadias" is? Obi-Wan says that he was nearly killed over 10 years ago. So I thought it might be Qui-Gon. Anyone have a clue who it is?

 

[Bim]

I'd also like to know who "Jedi Master Syphadias" is? Obi-Wan says that he was nearly killed over 10 years ago. So I thought it might be Qui-Gon. Anyone have a clue who it is?

He was a Jedi Council member, not Qui-Gon, who had died. I always had the impression that Dooku might have impersonated him and commissioned the creation of the clone army, but i dunno if anything has been said about it officially. Of course, it's also possible he did "place the order" for the army before dying behind the rest of the Council's back, but the purpose escapes me, and perhaps Dooku found out about it, killed him and used it to their advantage with Sidious.

He's just a mysterious character to me and it's kind of fun to speculate about him.

Name is spelled Sifo-Dyas though

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I wasn't defending Spielberg so much as saying Lucas isn't the great almighty he's made out to be. And you really need to chill.

I'm aggravated that because I said the directing wasn't the main issue of the Prequels that so many people are jumping on me based on false inference. If anything I said Lucas was a fool - I said his directing was bad and his writing was even worse. You can't go around with a group of people slapping me in the face and expect me to be smiling.

 

[Karelia]

He was a Jedi Council member, not Qui-Gon, who had died. I always had the impression that Dooku might have impersonated him and commissioned the creation of the clone army, but i dunno if anything has been said about it officially. Of course, it's also possible he did "place the order" for the army before dying behind the rest of the Council's back, but the purpose escapes me, and perhaps Dooku found out about it, killed him and used it to their advantage with Sidious.

He's just a mysterious character to me and it's kind of fun to speculate about him.

Name is spelled Sifo-Dyas though

Ahh, thanks for the response I appreciate it. t:

 

[Teelie]

No, but you are way too defensive. Like the Lucas-ites who defend him or the Spielbergians who claim he's perfect. There's enough animosity going on and people get passionate in their defense of their shows or movies and directors.

You'll never, ever be able to change anyone's minds on how good or bad you think a director or actor or series is. Never. But you can not let it get to you by not taking it personally.

Lucas and Spielberg work well together when mixed with the right combination. Throw in Harrison Ford and it's almost always a good result. The problem is when Lucas gets too much of it his way and it turns into Indy 4.

 

[bullets]

He was a Jedi Council member, not Qui-Gon, who had died. I always had the impression that Dooku might have impersonated him and commissioned the creation of the clone army, but i dunno if anything has been said about it officially. Of course, it's also possible he did "place the order" for the army before dying behind the rest of the Council's back, but the purpose escapes me, and perhaps Dooku found out about it, killed him and used it to their advantage with Sidious.

He's just a mysterious character to me and it's kind of fun to speculate about him.

I think that's more likely. I was always under the same impression. It makes me wonder if there will ever be another prequel trilogy.

 

[Sith Scotti]

t. The problem is when Lucas gets too much of it his way and it turns into Indy 4.

That is a load of ship. It amazes me how the internet community will blame Lucas for everthing but not hold Spielberg accountable as director ....


By your argument , it wasn't Bay's fault about Transformers ... It was Speilberg's who hired him ...

Indy IV was as much Speilberg's fault . Bad directing , bad casting and bad cgi is on the director

 

[Asteroid-Man]

No, but you are way too defensive. Like the Lucas-ites who defend him or the Spielbergians who claim he's perfect. There's enough animosity going on and people get passionate in their defense of their shows or movies and directors.

You'll never, ever be able to change anyone's minds on how good or bad you think a director or actor or series is. Never. But you can not let it get to you by not taking it personally.

Lucas and Spielberg work well together when mixed with the right combination. Throw in Harrison Ford and it's almost always a good result. The problem is when Lucas gets too much of it his way and it turns into Indy 4.

Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a dog. I give up. Ignore list, do your duty.

 

[OptimusPrime114]

Ok. Ok.

Did anybody see the season premiere of TCW on friday?

 

[Teelie]

It was Lucas who held up Indy 4. Guess what happened to greenlight it? Indy versus aliens. Lucas' pet project idea. Ford even said as a joke he won't be taking the character to Mars, a direct reference to the desires of Lucas in the past for Indiana Jones to have aliens in it.

So while yes, Spielberg messed up, so did Ford, the direct folly of this was letting Lucas dictate the terms and incorporate aliens. Given the material they had to work with they did their best or maybe they said "screw it" and did it for the cash. Who knows, but Lucas was responsible in part for it and trying to defend him is laughable.

 

[Teelie]

Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a dog. I give up. Ignore list, do your duty.

Go go ignore list.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

That is a load of ship. It amazes me how the internet community will blame Lucas for everthing but not hold Spielberg accountable as director ....


By your argument , it wasn't Bay's fault about Transformers ... It was Speilberg's who hired him ...

Indy IV was as much Speilberg's fault . Bad directing , bad casting and bad cgi is on the director

Agreed. However, CGI is on the animators and effects team, and casting is on the casting director and producer. The director can override it though (except for the producer), in which case I see your point.

 

[Paradox1]

He was a Jedi Council member, not Qui-Gon, who had died. I always had the impression that Dooku might have impersonated him and commissioned the creation of the clone army, but i dunno if anything has been said about it officially. Of course, it's also possible he did "place the order" for the army before dying behind the rest of the Council's back, but the purpose escapes me, and perhaps Dooku found out about it, killed him and used it to their advantage with Sidious.

He's just a mysterious character to me and it's kind of fun to speculate about him.

Name is spelled Sifo-Dyas though

So there is really no official word on Dias? That seems to be a big plot hole that was never wrapped up. I always thought Dias was the sith lord who taught the emperor. It's pure speculation on my part.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

what are some of bonus features i should watch for ANH?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

So there is really no official word on Dias? That seems to be a big plot hole that was never wrapped up. I always thought Dias was the sith lord who taught the emperor. It's pure speculation on my part.

As far as I know, after the Death of Darth Maul, Tyranus becomes Sidious's one apprentice and he is instructed to kill Sifo-Dyas (who was once his closest friend) and take on the Cloning Project as himself. Why did Sifo-Dyas create the Clone Army? He had foresight (like Anakin) and he thought that putting in motion the creation of a Clone Army would lead to a win by the Republic. Darth Tyranus kills Sifo-Dyas VERY early on and practically the entire Clone Army's creation is overseen by Tyranus, posing as Sifo-Dyas (under the instructions of Sidious).

 

[Bim]

Did anybody see the season premiere of TCW on friday?

I did; enjoyed the underwater battle, thought it looked very cool t:. Wondering how they're gonna get out of that mess though, and hope nothing happens to the little prince fella. Loved seeing Ackbar too, but i must admit i was hoping he would shout "Its a trap!" somewhere in there

Paradox1: as far as i know, there's nothing official that can give us a definitive answer regarding Sifo-Dyas, so all we can do is speculate. Never crossed my mind that he could be a sith, but who knows!

Nice Asteroid Man, thanks! Dooku killing him and later impersonating him always seemed very likely to me, but yeah it would make a lot of sense if they were indeed good friends also. I think had read that somewhere but cant quite remember where. I'm getting old

 

[Hunter Rider]

If i remember well Spielberg helped direct some scenes in Revenge of the Sith

Didn't he storyboard the scene with Emperor Palpatine and Yoda fighting in the Senate?

I've always wondered, because, visually, it seems to stand out from the rest of the film.

I read Spielberg directed the Grievous chase on Utapau but a lot of it was cut.

My understanding is that he did the animatic design for it, and it is very much a Spielberg type chase IMO.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Aparently Steven Spielberg was once supposed to direct Return of the Jedi, it's a shame he didn't do it because the story seemed to fit his tone

Especially since deep-down it's a story about a father & son who have problems, which seems to be Spielberg's favorite tale to tell.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Paradox1: as far as i know, there's nothing official that can give us a definitive answer regarding Sifo-Dyas, so all we can do is speculate. Never crossed my mind that he could be a sith, but who knows!

Nice Asteroid Man, thanks! Dooku killing him and later impersonating him always seemed very likely to me, but yeah it would make a lot of sense if they were indeed good friends also. I think had read that somewhere but cant quite remember where. I'm getting old

I recall him being called "Sido-dias" in the early rumors, which seems awfully close to "Sidious"...

 

[Timstuff]

It was Lucas who held up Indy 4. Guess what happened to greenlight it? Indy versus aliens. Lucas' pet project idea. Ford even said as a joke he won't be taking the character to Mars, a direct reference to the desires of Lucas in the past for Indiana Jones to have aliens in it.

So while yes, Spielberg messed up, so did Ford, the direct folly of this was letting Lucas dictate the terms and incorporate aliens. Given the material they had to work with they did their best or maybe they said "screw it" and did it for the cash. Who knows, but Lucas was responsible in part for it and trying to defend him is laughable.

I don't get why people think that aliens are what was wrong with Indy 4. Yeah the movie is a weak link, but it's because it has aliens in it? How is that somehow worse than a bunch of stupid rocks that don't do anything but glow? I thought the movie was a disappointment too, but I don't think that the subject matter had anything to do with it. Indy hunts for lots of weird stuff, and I don't get why so many fans claim that aliens should have been off limits.

The problem with Indy 4 was that they got carried away with trying to make it bigger and shinier before they locked down the fundamentals, which is why we ended up with stupid stuff like Indy surviving a nuclear blast in a refrigerator and Shia LaBeouf swinging from CG vines alongside cartoon monkeys to catch up with a freaking truck, while the dialogue suffers and the story fails to intrigue. It shouldn't matter whether the movie's McGuffin was inter-dimensional aliens or the beard clippings of King Arthur, as long as the stakes feel high and the journey is exciting. Would Temple of Doom have been better if they replaced the glowing rocks with the seven seals of the apocalypse? Not really, because the glowing rocks, as weak as they were, aren't what made the movie a weak link. It was the clumsy script, annoying supporting characters and unclearly defined stakes that made it weak, and it was the same thing with Crystal Skull.

Look at Captain America-- that's a great movie, but was it because the McGuffin was a nuclear ice cube? I'd say on paper it's not a terribly exciting concept, nor does it have the instant name recognition of "The Ark of the Covenant" or "The Holy Grail," but they established some clear stakes and made you get excited when you saw what this little chunk of space rock meant to the world, and why the Nazis having it (or "Hydra") was bad news for the good guys.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I watched ROTS tonight and I have to say I enjoyed Grievous more on this viewing, the first time around he just seemed a foil for the tech that would be used to save Anakin.

His initial scene where he coughs and splutters and his two henchdroids do the fighting is ok, but it's his battle and chase and battle (in that order lol) with Obi Wan that is when he's at his best, and I love the fact Obi Wan stops him just before he gets to his ship and then uses said ship to escape. The line about the blaster after he shoots him is great as well.

On a side note I couldn't help but laugh when The Emperor finds what is left of Anakin and proclaims "He's alive!" as he lay there with no legs, half an arm, no flesh and two eyes. I half expected Palps to shout down to him "It's just a flesh wound, some sticking plasters and savlon and we'll have you fixed in a jiffy!"