Star Wars - - - Part 12

[Sawyer]

Vader sacrificing himself to save his son >>>>>>>Padme dies of a broken heart.

Dr. Ball pretty accurately summed up my feelings about that...
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[Raiden]

Episode III was ten times better than ROTJ ever was.

No way. ROTJ was the weakest OT movie, but still way better than ROTS. So many iconic moments in ROTJ: Ackbar's "it's a trap!", the attack against Death Star II, the final duel between Luke and Vader, etc. There was nothing memorable about ROTS.

 

[LegendAssemble]

OMG, I can't forgive that. She should have gone down defying the Empire and protecting her children. Not quitting because Anakin "broke her heart".

We went from Princess Leia to...that.

anyone looking to defend the prequels needs to watch this video

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhdk0YOrVCg[/YT]

 

[Donut]

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Your breaking my heart

 

[Pink Ranger]

Your breaking my heart

"I hate you!"

 

[LegendAssemble]

No way. ROTJ was the weakest OT movie, but still way better than ROTS. So many iconic moments in ROTJ: Ackbar's "it's a trap!", the attack against Death Star II, the final duel between Luke and Vader, etc. There was nothing memorable about ROTS.

Jedi was the weakest of the originals and Sith was probably the strongest of the prequels. However the only thing really wrong with Jedi are the Ewoks. Everything that happens in space and on the death star is fairly memorable and iconic. Darth Vader taking off his mask, the Emperor using force lightning out of nowhere, the appearance of the force ghosts on endor. It's a much better movie than Sith.

 

[Solidus]

And Luke's freak out in ROTJ classic. "NEVER!!!!!"

The music from Final Duel in ROTJ is just haunting and awesome.

 

[C. Lee]

anyone looking to defend the prequels needs to watch this video

I'll defend them as being enjoyable to me. There were things I didn't like and would have preferred to be different....but I feel that way about any movie.

 

[dude stannis]

So... Tom Hardy as Darth Vader in the flashbacks?

 

[Donut]

"I hate you!"

Getting the order of the twins wrong when naming them

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

No on the prequel reboot. Not because it's a bad idea, though.

I think the franchise has spent enough time explaining where each scratch in Bobba Fett's armor came from. The best they can do is move forward, or at least make stories that aren't meant to "illuminate" on where Chewbacca's friggin bandolier came from.

The Star Wars universe is grand, but it's a lot smaller if you just stick everything you can in the backstory of the OT characters.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I'll defend them as being enjoyable to me. There were things I didn't like and would have preferred to be different....but I feel that way about any movie.

Well I'm happy for you if you feel that way, I wish I could make myself enjoy attack of the clones.

 

[Hunter Rider]

During my post production class we watched a doc on the workflow of ROTS...they had shots into the editor and SPFX people within the same day. If they keep the same workflow 2-3 years in plenty enough

Plus now things will be even more technically efficient. Also, wasn't The Avengers made on a pretty tight filming schedule with Whedon only finishing the script shortly before they started lensing?

OMG, I can't forgive that. She should have gone down defying the Empire and protecting her children. Not quitting because Anakin "broke her heart".

We went from Princess Leia to...that.

The fact she didn't already have the babies in the movie created that issue I think, but Bim should hook you up with a fic written from Padme's POV as she is giving birth, it makes her death work for me.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

OMG, I can't forgive that. She should have gone down defying the Empire and protecting her children. Not quitting because Anakin "broke her heart".

We went from Princess Leia to...that.

As much as I do love ROTS and defend the prequels (I do actually quite dislike AOTC), it really is true. In TPM, we got the sense Leia got her strength from Padme, who was a strong, smart, and young leader who would die for her people. Episode II, despite some flaws, gave us a chraacter who wouldn't back down from a fight, even defying the man she was falling love with and the entire Jedi Order for the chance to find out who was trying to kill her and what Dooku was really up to.
Then ROTS comes along and we get "whine whine, cry. I have two wonderful kids, but they mean nothing without the man I love! *dies of a broken script*." If there is one thing in ROTS I hate, it is this.

Also, I think Disney should remake these:

 

[Marvolo]

That sound horrible, why can't we have something natural like what we had in Empire or Jedi. Luke was pretty much just whacking away at Vader but it looked like an actual struggle, not to mention the idea was that Jedi tried to avoid fighting. You didn't see Ben Kenobi flipping around the death star he used the force to make his way around unseen and Luke was kicking plenty of ass on Jabbbas barge without being a superhuman.

Dont get me wrong i like the duel in the OT, but remember that in ESB Luke was barely trained at all for a duel and Vader was essentially toying with him. ROTJ had the emperor antagonizing Luke into a rage resulting in Luke just battering Vader. Those are very different circumstances to what Im talking about. Not every fight will go that way. There are seven different fighting styles and all kind of different force powers and techniques. All this can be used. Lucas tried to do this in the PT but came up way short and dropped the ball. The choreography in the PT was subpar and can be improved upon and not all duels will have the pace or style of the OTs three duels. Younger and more properly trained jedi can and should fight faster and more efficiently and duels shouldnt all be the pace of ESB and ROTJ duels. With better technology and filming techniques the jedi and sith can be shown to due things that a normal human cant and this should be taken advantage of.

 

[LegendAssemble]

No on the prequel reboot. Not because it's a bad idea, though.

I think the franchise has spent enough time explaining where each scratch in Bobba Fett's armor came from. The best they can do is move forward, or at least make stories that aren't meant to "illuminate" on where Chewbacca's friggin bandolier came from.

The Star Wars universe is grand, but it's a lot smaller if you just stick everything you can in the backstory of the OT characters.

I disagree there were so many things they talked about in the original trilogy we never got to see. How about Obi-Wan being young and defiant wanting to train this boy he's found despite his masters warnings as he and Yoda spoke of in Empire. How about Owen and Anakin having a history as they obviously did in a New Hope. How about Padme hiding, protecting her daughter from the monster that she once loved as in Jedi? How about Anakin telling Ben Kenobi he wants to train his son to be a Jedi the way he trained him?

Theres just such a great story to be put together it's a shame it can't reach the big screen.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Dont get me wrong i like the duel in the OT, but remember the OT was full of old men and undertrained jedi luke. In ESB Luke was barely trained if at all for a duel and Vader was essentially toying with him. ROTJ had the emperor antagonizing Luke into a rage resulting in Luke just battering Vader. Those are very different circumstances to what Im talking about. Not every fight will go that way. There are seven different fighting styles and all kind of different force powers and techniques. All this can be used.

I know about all of this I'm just personally not a fan of the prequel/expanded universe form of lightsaber combat. Lets be honest for a moment, Obi-Wan and Vader didn't fight the way they did because Lucas planned it, it was because they were an old man and a clumsy giant in a bulky suit, and at the time Lucas thought the lightsaber should be very heavy.

The way I think of it is that the Jedi really shouldn't use their lightsabers very often because it's cooler when they don't and because the force is so awesome they don't need them. Empire pretty clearly demonstrates that an average joe with a blaster is no match someone trained in the force even unarmed, when Han attempts to shoot at Vader.

I like the heavily Choreographed fights too to some degree they're cool in their own merit they just feel so much less personal. Not to mention this is supposed to be a life and death situation, it's not like anyone would use all these fancy maneuvers in these circumstances.

 

[Lone]

I hope they don't go with the EU books for the new trilogy.

Would you guys prefer a direct continuation of the Skywalker story or something set far into the future where the OT characters are already dead? I think the latter would be better.

I just wanna see a Jedi fight using a lightsaber in tandem with a blaster.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Y'all are crazy. The Darth Maul fight at the end of PM is incredible.

 

[C. Lee]

Well I'm happy for you if you feel that way, I wish I could make myself enjoy attack of the clones.

Watch it less as a life affirming moment and more as a Saturday afternoon romp.

 

[Solidus]

Y'all are crazy. The Darth Maul fight at the end of PM is incredible.

Eh the problem with it, is there is no substance with Maul, he's physically scary looking, but other than that there was nothing to really fear form him in the film. With Vader there was always that fear. That and I like it doing with the story more and not just fight fight fight, have fighting, but intertwine it with story, not just jumping from one set to the next for visual eye candy.

That and the choreography was not super great, there were many times where Ewan would pause, or Liam would pause clearly waiting for the "next move".

Good music, and it was fast, and cool to a point, but very flawed and could be done a million times better with the new trilogy.

 

[Boom]

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Truly one of the worst lines I have ever heard in a movie.

I didn't know whether to laugh uncontrollably or cry hysterically.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I hope they don't go with the EU books for the new trilogy.

Would you guys prefer a direct continuation of the Skywalker story or something set far into the future where the OT characters are already dead? I think the latter would be better.

I just wanna see a Jedi fight using a lightsaber in tandem with a blaster.

Funnily enough that's never crossed my mind before but now you mention it, it would be cool to see.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

I hope they don't go with the EU books for the new trilogy.

Would you guys prefer a direct continuation of the Skywalker story or something set far into the future where the OT characters are already dead? I think the latter would be better.

I just wanna see a Jedi fight using a lightsaber in tandem with a blaster.

I don't think it has to be as far as everyone in the OT being dead, but maybe a future story that isn't, centered in the OT characters and what happened to them. Sure, Luke and Leia and Han Solo are probably Important figureheads/mentors, but this would not be their story(or their kid's hopefully).

 

[Roose Bolton]

Eh the problem with it, is there is no substance with Maul, he's physically scary looking, but other than that there was nothing to really fear form him in the film. With Vader there was always that fear. That and I like it doing with the story more and not just fight fight fight, have fighting, but intertwine it with story, not just jumping from one set to the next for visual eye candy.

That and the choreography was not super great, there were many times where Ewan would pause, or Liam would pause clearly waiting for the "next move".

Good music, and it was fast, and cool to a point, but very flawed and could be done a million times better with the new trilogy.

I really think it was the best it possibly could have been for the time it came out.