Star Wars - - - Part 12

[Solidus]

I really think it was the best it possibly could have been for the time it came out.

No not really, to me what was missing was good writing for a villain. And having him more integral to the plot making the duel much more meaningful then just a fight sequence.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Watch it less as a life affirming moment and more as a Saturday afternoon romp.

Romp. That word is inherently funny to me. Romp.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

TARGET has an exclusive DVD where they took the 4 episode arc about him and recut it into a movie.

I'll have to look for that. Thanks!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

RoTJ wasn't perfect for obvious reasons but the space battle and the final showdown between Luke and Vader was amazing.

One of the reasons I was so sad to to see the Emperor using a lightsaber in Revenge was I always figured he was beyond such base forms of attack. Palpatine just sits there chipping away at Luke's will and then so completely and utterly wrecks him without a second thought - its far more impressive than those incredibly silly battles he had in the last film. I really hope the series can get back to that type of storytelling and tension and less BIG HUGE CGI FLIPS AND TWIRLS. I mean the latter is fine enough and I am expecting spectacle but when they're backed up by no emotion or human element they are meaningless.

 

[Roose Bolton]

No not really, to me what was missing was good writing for a villain. And having him more integral to the plot making the duel much more meaningful then just a fight sequence.

I'm just talking about the Choreography of the fight itself lol.

I agree that Maul should have been fleshed out for the overall story.

 

[Marvolo]

I know about all of this I'm just personally not a fan of the prequel/expanded universe form of lightsaber combat. Lets be honest for a moment, Obi-Wan and Vader didn't fight the way they did because Lucas planned it, it was because they were an old man and a clumsy giant in a bulky suit, and at the time Lucas thought the lightsaber should be very heavy.

The way I think of it is that the Jedi really shouldn't use their lightsabers very often because it's cooler when they don't and because the force is so awesome they don't need them. Empire pretty clearly demonstrates that an average joe with a blaster is no match someone trained in the force even unarmed, when Han attempts to shoot at Vader.

I like the heavily Choreographed fights too to some degree they're cool in their own merit they just feel so much less personal. Not to mention this is supposed to be a life and death situation, it's not like anyone would use all these fancy maneuvers in these circumstances.

No doubt a jedi could fight a duel using only force and i would like to see that too. I want to see a sith incinerate someone or just something incredible using only force.

 

[Solidus]

I'm just talking about the Choreography of the fight itself lol.

I agree that Maul should have been fleshed out for the overall story.

Well to me the choreography had nothing to do with technology of the time, it had to do more with just Nick the choreographer. I thought he did decent, but it was flawed to me.

 

[Marvolo]

Well to me the choreography had nothing to do with technology of the time, it had to do more with just Nick the choreographer. I thought he did decent, but it was flawed to me.

Sword fight choreography is very hard to do. Sword fights in the real world are nothing like the movies. They were quick brutal affairs. In film you have to walk a fine line between cinematic and practical.

And i would say the choreography is effected by available technology. With cgi being much better today you can do more things with choreography in a computer.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

RoTJ wasn't perfect for obvious reasons but the space battle and the final showdown between Luke and Vader was amazing.

One of the reasons I was so sad to to see the Emperor using a lightsaber in Revenge was I always figured he was beyond such base forms of attack. Palpatine just sits there chipping away at Luke's will and then so completely and utterly wrecks him without a second thought - its far more impressive than those incredibly silly battles he had in the last film. I really hope the series can get back to that type of storytelling and tension and less BIG HUGE CGI FLIPS AND TWIRLS. I mean the latter is fine enough and I am expecting spectacle but when they're backed up by no emotion or human element they are meaningless.

This was one of the things that amazed me as a kid. The scene where all the tie fighters swarm out of the Death Star, and knowing they did that on mostly practical effects was really cool.

 

[Solidus]

Sword fight choreography is very hard to do. Sword fights in the real world are nothing like the movies. They were quick brutal affairs. In film you have to walk a fine line between cinematic and practical.

And i would say the choreography is effected by available technology. With cgi being much better today you can do more things with choreography in a computer.

Eh I dunno, I think you could do better with edits and so forth to cover more of the tracks. And honestly no to "more CGI" we've had enough of that with the prequels. To me the less CGI the better. But maybe they could do some things in small doses.

 

[Marvolo]

Eh I dunno, I think you could do better with edits and so forth to cover more of the tracks. And honestly no to "more CGI" we've had enough of that with the prequels. To me the less CGI the better. But maybe they could do some things in small doses.

Well i dont mean all cgi. I mean more for particular moments when itd be impossible to get in camera or to remove wires and the like. I know Lucas burnt us with his over use of poor cgi but we mustnt be afraid of it. CGI can look very good. It just requires a director who utilizes it properly and has an eye for it.

 

[Solidus]

That is true.

 

[Harley2004]

I want better more acrobatic and dynamic lightsaber duels. Here is hoping they hire a decent choreographer. ROTS duel had some of the most boring sword fight choreography ive ever seen. It didnt even look like they were trying to hit each others body they just kept whacking each others swords over and over and over.

The sword fights were better in that movie than any other sw movie. Especially the ot. The best pure sword fight is the opening one with Dooku in episode III. It also does not have opera music over it, like the one in TPM.

NO WAY IN HELL WAS EPISODE III EVEN CLOSE TO AS GOOD AS JEDI! The emotion on the Death Star between Vader and Luke, and the son realizing he is becoming the father was more emotion than the entire prequel trilogy had in all three films.

Yeah and it was intercut with Ewoks which was just ridiculous. The opening part with Jabba is not much better. Episode III is just much better movie. The weak part about that movie is Grievous. That part just did not work, nor did the character.

 

[Marvolo]

The sword fights were better in that movie than any other sw movie. Especially the ot. The best pure sword fight is the opening one with Dooku in episode III. It also does not have opera music over it, like the one in TPM.





Yeah and it was intercut with Ewoks which was just ridiculous. The opening part with Jabba is not much better. Episode III is just much better movie. The weak part about that movie is Grievous. That part just did not work, nor did the character.

From a choreography standpoint the duels in ROTS left a lot to be desired. It was just whack whack whack. Sword to sword with little if any real sense that one is trying to hit the other ones body. To say it bores me would not be an exaggeration. I did like the bit when they were fighting across he walkway just before the enter the control room. The camera is overhead and they are moving fast and obiwan twists anikans arm, bens him over, and goes for the kill by chopping his head off. Anikan brings up his sword and blocks him and they headbinto the control roim. That moment in the duel is the only time one of them actually goes for a killing blow. The rest is just whack whack whack.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Light-saber battles should be like real sword fights. Quick and intense.

In the Phantom Menace they looked like they were doing choreographed acrobatics... not trying to kill each other.

 

[Marvolo]

And sorry about spelling mistakes. My touch screen can be an ass sometimes and the mobile site doesnt want to save my edits.

 

[Marvolo]

Light-saber battles should be like real sword fights. Quick and intense.

In the Phantom Menace they looked like they were doing choreographed acrobatics... not trying to kill each other.

Say what you will about the film, but Troy still has one of my favorite sword fights between Hector and Achilles. Yeah Achilles was jumping around a bit but you could see him trying to get inside hector's guard and kill him.

 

[roach]

Light-saber battles should be like real sword fights. Quick and intense.

In the Phantom Menace they looked like they were doing choreographed acrobatics... not trying to kill each other.

real sword fights are boring...which is why Hollywood doesnt use them in films.

 

[Thundercrack85]

real sword fights are boring...which is why Hollywood doesnt use them in films.

The hell they are.

The first trilogy had a couple that I'd count as "real". Well, realistic, I should say.

I.e. in a way that it seems believable.

No one is doing fancy somersaults though.

 

[Marvolo]

real sword fights are boring...which is why Hollywood doesnt use them in films.

The idea and purpose behind a sword fight should be maintained on film which is that one wants to kill the other or at the very least get inside your opponents guard and make him yield.

 

[Verbal21]

Yeah and it was intercut with Ewoks which was just ridiculous. The opening part with Jabba is not much better. Episode III is just much better movie. The weak part about that movie is Grievous. That part just did not work, nor did the character.

I didn't mind Grievous myself and Ep III is tied with V as my most favorite episode. I always thought that scene at the end of the Mustafar battle was just as emotional as any scene in the OT. You could really feel how disappointed Obi Wan was at Anakin turning to the dark side.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The idea and purpose behind a sword fight should be maintained on film which is that one wants to kill the other or at the very least get inside your opponents guard and make him yield.

Conveying a certain intensity also works.

The Phantom Menace's big lightsaber scene might as well have been set to a lax ballet song.

 

[Marvolo]

The hell they are.

The first trilogy had a couple that I'd count as "real". Well, realistic, I should say.

I.e. in a way that it seems believable.

No one is doing fancy somersaults though.

Im fine with a jedi doing aerobatics if they are doing it to off balance their enemy. And not doing it just cause it is pretty which is how i fell about the PT duels. They were eye candy. You can flip and twirl if youre a jedi as long as its for attack or defense. Otherwise its just to look pretty.

 

[Gold Samurai]

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[Marvolo]

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Was the disney logo in front of avengers? If disney didnt place it at the beginning of the Avengers i doubt they will do it to star wars.