The Force Awakens Star Wars: The Force Awakens RT thread: Prediction and Discussion.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nostalgia works for two major reasons.

1) It reminds the older generation why they fell in love with SW.

2) It reveals to the younger generation why SW became mega popular to begin with.

Really it was the smart play for Disney though it would be wise to expand the mythos for SW9 and SW10.

 

[Eros]

Nostalgia works for two major reasons.

1) It reminds the older generation why they fell in love with SW.

2) It reveals to the younger generation why SW became mega popular to begin with.

Really it was the smart play for Disney though it would be wise to expand the mythos for SW9 and SW10.

I agree

 

[rogbngp]

I think people will love it because its essentially the old movies with a new flavor...like star trek into darkness or super 8.

You know, this is interesting to contemplate too for Star Trek: Beyond. I watched Collider Heroes analyze the trailer last night and the complaint was made that it looks like its modeled after GotG, and also feels a bit like Fast and Furious set in space.

There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to fantasy adventure! That's because there is nothing new under the sun in terms of myths and archetypes.

Interestingly, the GotG stylistic approach is a departure from traditional Star Trek--and I find it ironic as hell that this is so upsetting to some. Myself, I think it actually is a great way to capture the essence of what I have always loved most about the TOS TV series. The 1960s crew of the Enterprise were, in a way, swashbuckling adventures in space. They were adventurers! For me, TOS was about great characters forming powerful bonds through adventuring together. The charm of the show was for me always about the chemistry between those phenomenal characters, and how I experienced the characters emotionally as they explored "strange new worlds" and faced challenges together. I loved the Enterprise crew's camaraderie. And to be honest, I actually never cared much for the social commentary of the show, which always felt clumsy and heavy-handed to me. In sum, a sense, GotG captures the same core vibe of what I loved about about TOS.

Amidst some hopefully wonderful character development, Beyond we may well give us a relevant message about society to contemplate. My guess is that it will raise questions about Prime Directive issues that reflect dilemmas all dynastic empires (here the Federation) face.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. But I just had this association with the whole question of how much to model a fantasy adventure franchise reboot on its past iterations.

Edit: Oh, and John Campea has a great rant about letting the original Star Trek go (at about 25:32), which unfortunately I can't post because Max Landis drops F-bombs right and left.

 

[Boom]

I mean we kinda knew they'd be riding the nostalgia train a bit when they brought back the original cast. I thought the plan was always to use this film as a transition of sorts, then by Episode VIII they'll have found their footing and be able to move forward into new territory with the new characters they've introduced.

"Passing the torch," as it were.

 

[Eros]

I mean we kinda knew they'd be riding the nostalgia train a bit when they brought back the original cast. I thought the plan was always to use this film as a transition of sorts, then by Episode VIII they'll have found their footing and be able to move forward into new territory with the new characters they've introduced.

"Passing the torch," as it were.

I think thats the idea.

 

[Eros]

You know, this is interesting to contemplate too for Star Trek: Beyond. I watched Collider Heroes analyze the trailer last night and the complaint was made that it looks like its modeled after GotG, and also feels a bit like Fast and Furious set in space.

There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to fantasy adventure! That's because there is nothing new under the sun in terms of myths and archetypes.

Interestingly, the GotG stylistic approach is a departure from traditional Star Trek--and I find it ironic as hell that this is so upsetting to some. Myself, I think it actually is a great way to capture the essence of what I have always loved most about the TOS TV series. For me, TOS was about great characters forming powerful bonds through adventuring together. The charm of the show was for me always about the chemistry between those phenomenal characters, and how I experienced the characters emotionally as they explored "strange new worlds" and faced challenges together. I loved the Enterprise crew's camaraderie. And to be honest, I actually never cared much for the social commentary of the show, which always felt clumsy and heavy-handed to me. In sum, a sense, GotG captures the same core vibe of what I loved about about TOS.

Amidst some hopefully wonderful character development, Beyond we may well give us a relevant message about society to contemplate. My guess is that it will raise questions about Prime Directive issues that reflect dilemmas all dynastic empires (here the Federation) face.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. But I just had this association with the whole question of how much to model a fantasy adventure franchise reboot on its past iterations.

sadly enough alot of "die hard" Star trek fans are gonna hate Beyond like they hated the first 2. Im still not sure why they think 150 million dollar movie needs to be about simply flying around space and talking.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Why exactly did "die hard" Star Trek fans hate the new movies so much?

 

[JOE]

I'm not sure, I thought the movies were brilliant.

 

[rogbngp]

Why exactly did "die hard" Star Trek fans hate the new movies so much

Detractors felt they were too simplistic and action-based, and not cerebral enough, with socially relevant themes encoded.

I'm crazy about the two Abrams ST reboot films for the reasons I described already above. I loved getting to know the characters again through their fresh new iterations, and watching the individual character development and the developing chemistry between them. I'm getting to know all of them all over again And of course they can't be exactly as they were in TOS. That would be asinine to even try!

This is utter Star Trek heresy, but in some ways I actually like Pine's Kirk better than Shatner's (he's actually more relatable and likable to me--he has more heart and humility along with his swagger). Quinto and Urban are frickin' phenomenal to me in their channeling of Spock and Bones. I love the new Uhura (no longer just the hot secretary). The new takes on Scotty, Sulu, and Checkov are all fine.

Anyway, I think that the fans that can't let go of the original Star Trek suffer from the same affliction that people that hate Man of Steel do because they're so fond of the Donner/Reeve films, and can't enjoy Superman in any other form. Superman: The Movie and the TOS TV series were truly great for their time. But that time has passed. It's gone. It's an old chapter now in American culture. The characters need to be refreshed with an original new feeling and energy to them.

 

[Eros]

Why exactly did "die hard" Star Trek fans hate the new movies so much?

Mostly according to them it was to much like star wars, not enough "space travel and exploration, not enough social commentary, no brains, lens flares, and etc" lol

 

[Eros]

They felt they were too simplistic and action-based, and not cerebral enough, with socially relevant themes encoded.

I'm crazy about the two Abrams ST reboot films for the reasons I described already above. I loved getting to know the characters again through their fresh new iterations, and watching the individual character development and the developing chemistry between them. I'm getting to know all of them all over again And of course they can't be exactly as they were in TOS. That would be asinine to even try!

This is utter Star Trek heresy, but in some ways I actually like Pine's Kirk better than Shatner's (he's actually more relatable and likable to me--he has more heart and humility along with his swagger). Quinto and Urban are frickin' phenomenal to me in their channeling of Spock and Bones. I love the new Uhura (no longer just the hot secretary). The new takes on Scotty, Sulu, and Checkov are all fine.

Anyway, I think that the fans that can't let go of the original Star Trek suffer from the same affliction that people that hate Man of Steel do because they're so fond of the Donner/Reeve films, and can't enjoy Superman in any other form. Superman: The Movie and the TOS TV series were truly great for their time. But that time has passed. It's gone. It's an old chapter now in American culture. The characters need to be refreshed with an original new feeling and energy to them.

exactly!

 

[rogbngp]

Mostly according to them it was to much like star wars, not enough "space travel and exploration, not enough social commentary, no brains, lens flares, and etc" lol

Lol, oh yeah! Too many lens flares! Good grief.

 

[jmc]

97% Fully deserved. Film was awesome.

 

[craigdbfan]

97% Fully deserved. Film was awesome.

Ranking within the past films? I know you're fresh out from seeing it so you may change it later on but currently where do you place it?

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I've been up for five hours, procrastinating going to Rotten Tomatoes to look at the score. Seeing that 97% "Certified Fresh" rating is the greatest relief I've had all year.

 

[jmc]

Ranking within the past films? I know you're fresh out from seeing it so you may change it later on but currently where do you place it?

Tough to judge right now. I'm reluctant to say as good as Empire, i'm probably going to have to watch it again. On first impressions I'd say comfortably on par with Episode IV.

 

[craigdbfan]

Very nice.

 

[Iceman]

97% Fully deserved. Film was awesome.

Yes!!

 

[BatLobster]

Just a heads up, untagged spoilers are flying in the main discussion thread now and it seems we're at the point where the mods are going to allow it. Hoping it will stay somewhat safe in here.

 

[Broseph44]

97% Fully deserved. Film was awesome.

I'm shocked that I'm happy to actually see you enjoy something haha

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm shocked that I'm happy to actually see you enjoy something haha

I thought the same thing! And people call me picky.

 

[I Am The Knight]

 

[Broseph44]

I thought the same thing! And people call me picky.

Most posts I see from JMC are usually very gloomy negative etc so I'm shocked to see him say it was awesome. It's a miracle!

 

[Iceman]

It's just a high standard of quality control, and it looks like Star Wars passes the jmc acid test with flying colours! t:

 

[Deserana]

Why exactly did "die hard" Star Trek fans hate the new movies so much?

I loved loved loved the 09 Star Trek. It is still to this day probably the biggest surprise I've had at the cinema. I had almost zero interest in it and after the first scene I was glued, I loved every second and saw it 4 more times.

Into Darkness though ironically was probably one of the biggest let downs of that year for me. It has nothing to do with the Kahn stuff as I've never seen any of the old films, it just all felt like filler. Like nothing of any worth happened, the first hour could have been done in 20minutes and they did a lot from the first all over again.

In all honesty it felt like a film where it's Director was focusing on something else (now understandable) and just wanted to get this film done. Also Cumberbatch was criminally underused for the supposedly main villain.