State Your Opinion on A Character

[Mystirious]

I'm trying to stay optimistic about Aquaman. I know I'll probably continue to buy it even if Johns is terrible on it though. Because its Aquaman

Never thought about it that way, but according to The Flash: Rebirth, and looking at how the Speed Force has been established and defined...

It sure seems that way.

*slow clap for Geoff Johns*

This just upsets me

Johns would be all over that.

But strangest of all is that in an issue of Booster Gold that wicked worm, the malevolent Mr Mind went back in time and prevented Barry becoming the Flash. If Barry as the Flash created the force that allows everything to move that should have destroyed history

And this was in a series Johns wrote. This creates so many logical problems it would make a Vulcan cry. It's like Johns created this idea that he thought sounded cool and never thought it through

J'accuse! *

(*French)

 

[Mystirious]

Do LIBRA! DO LIBRA!

You mean the crazy hooded guy from Final Crisis

 

[The Question]

It's like Johns created this idea that he thought sounded cool and never thought it through

Yeah, that's kind of been his raison d'être ever since he started on Green Lantern.

 

[Mystirious]

One of the reasons I liked Green Lantern Corps better

 

[Spike_x1]

Johns (usually) at least knows how to hit the right beats in a story and make things exciting and s**t like that, but a lot of his stuff falls apart when you step back and give the events any sort of analysis.

I loved him when he was just writing The Flash, before DC gave him the power to just arbitrarily do whatever the f**k he wanted in order to make his favorite characters the kings of the castle. He needs someone to reign him in, but nobody at DC seems to want to because his stories bring in mucho $$$. On one hand, yeah, it's a business. On the other hand, f**k.

 

[Mystirious]

Yep having Barry Allen be the creator of motion is just

And I don't even hate Barry. But this be crazy

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

well since we are talking about Barry! I love dude. He still is an will always be my Fav , but there's room for Wally too. Wally brought all the human qualities to the role. Now loving Barry.. that &^%$ about he was the lightning bolt that struck himself yadda yadda was totally Bull&^%$! I understand liking a character more than another but dude don't go out on a limb with stuff! Damn! Next Batman will go back to prehistoric age and be able to survive ... wait a min!t:

 

[Spike_x1]

New character to give opinions on? We seem to have run out of steam for Barry/Raven.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Doctor Fate?

 

[SuperFerret]

It's like Johns created this idea that he thought sounded cool and never thought it through

You can't really fault him for that. I mean, the Speed Force being pure momentum is something Anubis mentioned was how he understood it. Then we connected it to "things only move because Barry Allen is the Flash". Now we're connecting that theory to an arc Johns wrote before Flash: Rebirth, and accusing him of not thinking things through based on theories fans are having.

I'm not saying he's right, or that it's a good idea, or whatever, but this stuff happens when there's a handful of people writing things vs. millions interpreting it.

 

[sandwraith]

Allow me:



Jack Knight, Starman V (that's 5 for those of us that don't know Roman). The quintessential legacy hero in my mind's eye. The every man who wasn't really so much a hero but a guy working to live up to the family business.

I love the Starman series James Robinson and Tony Harris created. I love how they made Opal City a focal part of the storyline and I love how Robinson made the Starman lineage integrated even if some of those said Starmen (Prince Gavyn,Mikaal Tomas) had nothing to do with the Knights.

Jack's a bit of an a-hole really. But as the series progresses he starts to remember who his father was and what he fought for, what his brother David died for. Plus having the Shade, a supervillain with a deep love for the city he calls home gave him quite a number of interesting stories.

I wish I could say I'd like to see Jack back in the DCU proper but truth is, that story is done and rightfully closed. I just wish the Starman legacy was handled a little more carefully but now it seems Starman is just another name in the JSA roster along with Amazing Man and Magog.

Could he carry his own movie? Yes. But I envision it as a more indie type film.

 

[sandwraith]

Damn it. Pictures wont show up...

 

[Anubis]

 

[Spike_x1]

You can't really fault him for that. I mean, the Speed Force being pure momentum is something Anubis mentioned was how he understood it. Then we connected it to "things only move because Barry Allen is the Flash". Now we're connecting that theory to an arc Johns wrote before Flash: Rebirth, and accusing him of not thinking things through based on theories fans are having.

I'm not saying he's right, or that it's a good idea, or whatever, but this stuff happens when there's a handful of people writing things vs. millions interpreting it.

Yeah, as far as I know, there's no concrete definition for the Speed Force, but I don't think that there are millions of different interpretations of it vs. a handful of writers. It had been established and characterized as essentially the force being all momentum before The Flash: Rebirth came along. Any real analysis will lead you to that conclusion, and I don't think that there are any legitimate contradictory views on defining the Speed Force.

So, true, without any set definition for the Speed Force, we can't say for sure whether Johns really did make Barry to be the source behind all movement in the universe, but that's exactly how the pieces fit together and we've been given no reason to think otherwise (unless Johns threw in another of his classic retcons that I'm not aware of after I ragequit reading The Flash). And really, there's no need for Johns to have made Barry to creator of the Speed Force in the first place. I really do think all blame for it rests squarely on Johns' shoulders. It was his story idea and he should've given it some more thought beyond "how do I make Barry more important?"

 

[PaleRider]

Have not read any of his stuff, though I plan on it because of the great reviews I hear about him.

 

[Anubis]

Let me just say this. Jack Knight, is my favorite Superhero of all time.

Defining moment for me. Jack gets kidnapped by the Mist II. Wakes up in a warehouse, butt ass naked with his clothes and staff scattered throughout the building with dozens of armed thugs between him and freedom. He proceeds to kick the ass of every person in the building in his vintage 1950's boxers and tube socks with nothing but a hammer and balls made of pure molten awesome!

 

[Mystirious]

I adore the character. James Robinson's Starman was a truly great comic book and I just loved how the character was written and seeing him becoming a hero was just a wonderful story. I loved his supporting cast and the stories Robinson told with him

Anyone who hasnt read it yet should check out Starman. Its one of the best superhero comic books of all time

Let me just say this. Jack Knight, is my favorite Superhero of all time.

Defining moment for me. Jack gets kidnapped by the Mist II. Wakes up in a warehouse, butt ass naked with his clothes and staff scattered throughout the building with dozens of armed thugs between him and freedom. He proceeds to kick the ass of every person in the building in his vintage 1950's boxers and tube socks with nothing but a hammer and balls made of pure molten awesome!

If Jack Knight fought Chuck Norris Jack Knight would win

 

[Cain]

I miss him and wished that he would "unretire" then again if it means a bunch of hack writers getting their mitts on him then it's better to just keep Jack Knight benched.

 

[Mystirious]

I think its best that he stay retired from the superhero life but I wouldnt mind seeing Jack show up in the Shade mini series by Robinson

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, he finished out his story. Got the girl, and got to ride off into the sunset. Just him and his son.

If only all superheroes got a beginning, middle, and end.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I've heard so many great things about James Robinson's Starman run and I gave the first volume a shot I really didn't see what the attraction was. Maybe if I give it a reread and move on to the second volume maybe I'll get but as far as the first volume goes the book and character were kind of "Meh" to me.

 

[Anubis]

It's the journey. It doesn't really start to hit it's stride until like volume 3.

 

[Mystirious]

I've read the series in single issues and trade paperback form and I think its definitely better in trade paperback. And yep its definitely a series that's worth sticking with

Jack Knight's story is one of my favourite superhero stories.

Also I know we're not discussing him yet but I the Shade as well. He was a cool supporting character

 

[Anubis]

Yeah. Robinson really added some depth.

God, what happened to Robinson's writing?

 

[Mystirious]

I can't believe the same man who wrote Starman wrote Cry for Justice

His writing did manage to improve from Cry for Justice in later issues of JLA

Know thats not saying much. Still I'll probably still end up buying the Shade mini series to see if its as good as Robinson's Starman stories