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That statement saying he is a Namor rip off is a problem as well. :dry:

Funny thing is, I used to think that Namor was a darker edgier rip off of Aquaman, turns out Namor predates Aquaman by a good two years.
 
Funny thing is, I used to think that Namor was a darker edgier rip off of Aquaman, turns out Namor predates Aquaman by a good two years.

And both characters went their own paths. And they have different powers. Don't try to pass off Namor's pathetic "somewhat copy the powers of an electric eel and a puffer fish (think it was that fish)" being something like Aquaman's telepathy was even before he learned to use it on more than marine life. And then of course Aquaman has never been able to fly. Then there's the fact that Namor is bullet proof while Aquaman's bones have been shown to be bullet proof but the bullets can penetrate his flesh and muscle. Then Namor is just slightly stronger out of the water, too.

Even with personality, with Aquaman getting more and more dark ever since the death of his 5 year old son in the 70s they still are different in that aspect of personality.

Now, archetypes in the loosest way of viewing them? Then fine. Both are aquatic super-empowered beings of royal origin. That's as far as their similarities truly go.

Though FYI Aquaman may have been created 2 years later but he had ties to Atlantis first. :awesome:
 
And both characters went their own paths. And they have different powers. Don't try to pass off Namor's pathetic "somewhat copy the powers of an electric eel and a puffer fish (think it was that fish)" being something like Aquaman's telepathy was even before he learned to use it on more than marine life. And then of course Aquaman has never been able to fly. Then there's the fact that Namor is bullet proof while Aquaman's bones have been shown to be bullet proof but the bullets can penetrate his flesh and muscle. Then Namor is just slightly stronger out of the water, too.

Even with personality, with Aquaman getting more and more dark ever since the death of his 5 year old son in the 70s they still are different in that aspect of personality.

Now, archetypes in the loosest way of viewing them? Then fine. Both are aquatic super-empowered beings of royal origin. That's as far as their similarities truly go.

Though FYI Aquaman may have been created 2 years later but he had ties to Atlantis first. :awesome:
Namor was always prince of Atlantis.... Aquaman Started as a normal human who was somehow given his powers by his fathers, he wasn't Atlantean till the Silver Age.
 
Namor was always prince of Atlantis.... Aquaman Started as a normal human who was somehow given his powers by his fathers, he wasn't Atlantean till the Silver Age.

Namor's home kingdom was never named for more than almost 20 years after his creation. And with Aquaman during his creation his father found the means to do so in the ruins of Atlantis in the Golden Age. I didn't say he was royalty first. And even in the Silver Age origin Aquaman was not royalty by birth: they wanted him to be King. Then in the Modern Day origin after COIE he was royalty, but pure blood Atlantean and in general his origin was so much different than any previous origin.
 
Namor's home kingdom was never named for more than almost 20 years after his creation. And with Aquaman during his creation his father found the means to do so in the ruins of Atlantis in the Golden Age. I didn't say he was royalty first. And even in the Silver Age origin Aquaman was not royalty by birth: they wanted him to be King. Then in the Modern Day origin after COIE he was royalty, but pure blood Atlantean and in general his origin was so much different than any previous origin.

I'm trying to confirm this, but I remember reading that Namor was originally created as part of a sequel to a movie that was set in Atlantis, the sequel never happen so the story went into an 8 page comic book "Motion Picture Funnies Weekly." I'm not able to confirm this however, so it could be faulty memory.

Of course the problem comes down to this, Aquaman, at least as he was introduced to me in the back of the pages of Action Comics in the early 80s, was a boring character who needed a good writer to make him interesting; Namor, on the other hand, because of his temper and flaws, was an inherently interesting character who could be made boring by bad writing.


I tried to get into Aquaman during the Subdeigo arc, but I the fact that people moved around underwater as if they were on land with only the occasional bubble to remind us were were underwater, turned me off.
 
Oh wait, actually they didn't name his home Atlantis until 1962 when he was brought back to comics in Fantastic Four. So that's 23 years. I for some reason thought they finally named it during his brief like 2 year return in the late 50s but it was when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought him back that they did.

Also, you say stuff like because of his temper and such...who he is as a character made Namor more interesting for you basically. Well, if you want to read about a guy who has been trying to court another man's wife for so many decades and banging his own cousin then fine. I don't particularly care for that. I don't dislike Namor but I won't bother to read about him unless in a team book of characters I do enjoy.
 
Oh wait, actually they didn't name his home Atlantis until 1962 when he was brought back to comics in Fantastic Four. So that's 23 years. I for some reason thought they finally named it during his brief like 2 year return in the late 50s but it was when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought him back that they did.

Also, you say stuff like because of his temper and such...who he is as a character made Namor more interesting for you basically. Well, if you want to read about a guy who has been trying to court another man's wife for so many decades and banging his own cousin then fine. I don't particularly care for that. I don't dislike Namor but I won't bother to read about him unless in a team book of characters I do enjoy.

I feel the same way about Aquaman. Not that I a huge Namor fan either, but he had a personality, something that Aquaman seemed to lack at the time. I don't think that Aquaman is as bad as the Superfriends version of him, but I've never seen a version of him that held my interest. As a scuba diver, I'm not adverse to underwater stories, I remember enjoying Fathom (though the boobage did help on that).

The cruix of the matter is that you aren't going to change anyone's mind by calling them names. I sometimes forget that they have graphic novels at the library, so if you have some suggestions for ones that might change my mind, I'll try and check them out.
 
And yet, up until Brightest Day and Young Justice, Aquaman had on of the worst and lamest sidekicks.

Which brings us to . . .
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Highly underrated as well. Yes, he had a horrendous costume and was kind of silly as Aqualad, but Robin was pretty embarrassing for a lot of years too. Just like Dick became a much more interesting character when he stood on his own two feet as Nightwing, Garth became pretty awesome as Tempest. He complemented Aquaman well by embracing the magical side of Atlantis that was always hinted at but never fully explored. Plus, he got to be a family man and try to step out from Arthur's shadow as the real power running Atlantis at various times while Aquaman pissed around playing hero. I've always thought Garth was a hell of a lot more devoted to Atlantis overall than Arthur was.

Also, Aquaman and Aqualad had easily the most intense conflict mentor/student when Black Manta forced them to fight to the death for the life of Arthur's son. If you can't get an interesting relationship out of the mentor outright trying to kill the student to save his real kid, you should probably just give up writing comics. That rivalry has bubbled up over and over again through the years, which is why Aquaman and Tempest have such a contentious relationship at times. The overt details change, but the root can usually be traced right back to that death match.
 
Yes, but Dick as Robin, even with the silly fairy boots and undies is classic comics. His swearing in in the cave, his relationship with Batgirl, getting nearly beat to death by Two-Face, his eventually quitting.

I can't name a single aspect of Aqualad (not Temptest btw, who I admit is a solid character). In fact, I am pissed of how he was handled in Blackest Night. Why set him up as ruler of Atlantis in one powerful issue and then kill him the next?
 
Now stopping at Lamesville! Aquaman rocks.. but and if you anit in the "Legion of Superheroes and your name is "Lad"... you are going to suck! i read a bunch of Teen Titans and i cant remember dude doing anything worthwhile in anyyyyy of them!As Tempest i agree he got hella cool,Especially shagging Dolphin's Daisy Duke's wearing boo-tay right from under Aquaman's nose( hey baby! you snooze you lose! hehe)but as "AL" he bombed!
 
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Loved him as Tempest and he had some good stories as Aqua Lad. Really think its a pity that DC killed him off in Blackest Night as Tempest he had become a really neat character
 
I dig Garth for the most part. Not so much as Aqualad but as Tempest. Much like everybody else. Wish he was used more but that whole second generation seems to have been dumped to the wayside. Damn Regression.


Anyways


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I like Wonder Woman, but it seems too many writers just don't know how to write her well.

I get the feeling that since she is considered one fo teh Big Three, that writers feel obligated to use her in stories, but then realize they don't know what to do with her, so she is either relegated to being muscle, being completely out of character, or just completely one note (ie Amazon Warrior) so as to make sure she isn't completely written out of character.
 
I like Wonder Woman, but I have to admit, I'm not 100% sure who she's even supposed to be at this point. Everyone seems to have their own interpretation of her lately and none of them are especially similar.
 
Love WW but of course like everyone else, it is hard to see who she is suppose to be when she has so many handlers and everyone wants to change her once they take over her title. Also frustrated that she isnt really able to sustain any kind of supporting cast, and once she gains even a sidekick they are treated as the black sheep in her book and are cast off to TT. She is suppose to be the most important female in DC but she cant even be treated like it.
 
I wish TB and B-Willy were on regularly. Those two be droppin' some knowledge when it comes to WW and the state she's in.

Manic too if he should happen to wander by.
 
I like Wonder Woman, but I have to admit, I'm not 100% sure who she's even supposed to be at this point. Everyone seems to have their own interpretation of her lately and none of them are especially similar.

Same. And not to insult WW hardcore fans but in the uneducated comicfan eye they think Aquaman gets "rebooted" so much...those people never tried to follow WW then clearly. I never followed her book regularly myself but have always liked her. Felt like she was forced into being part of the so called Trinity when it is not a true Trinity.

But I am going to get her book with the relaunch and try it out.
 
I always wish when it came to villans, she would have more New God villans. Fight Darkseid some more, have Granny Goodness hate her with a passion. And of course use her own villans more broadly around DC.
 
i will always love WW! She is a bad mama jamma! clearly one of my top heroines of all time. Thanks in no small part to growing up and and filling my head with all sorts of earthy delights of smooooooooooooookinnnnnnn hot ass Lynda Carter, running, spinning as a kid *drooool!* ( excuse me. i will clean that up later!) she was freaking awesome in the Justice league cartoon " grudge match"!( i watched it the other day again) kicking the crap outta the other heroines. Other than that her stuff aint that good. Her enemies suck, that new outfit sucks, but who cares!!she can stand with the big boys and take on Mongul! plus again lynda is forever seared into my brain! Merciful Minerva!...lynda uh WW rocks!
 
I hate Damian Wayne.

I grew up with Tim Drake as my Robin in Comics, and Dick Grayson as my definitive Robin everywhere else.

Wasn't Jason Todd unliked and killed for "talking back to Batman?"

Damian is a snot nosed little ****. He's completely unlikable, I've given him 2 years of effort, and he has very little, if any, redeemable qualities. Jason could be likable at times...Tim had a sense of humor and served the purpose that Robin is meant to serve...Damian, a publicity stunt to give Batman a son gone wrong.


I'd say kill him, but that would diminish the death of Jason Todd, and they've already spit on the impact of his death (one of the best things in Batman comics) by bringing him back....

How about we groom Damian as a villain? That would be the only context I could like him...as a person I love to hate...because I just do not like him.


-R
 
I don't mind WW but those transparent planes, my god, I can't even imagine something that could take me out of a comic quicker than an amazon in a transparent plane. I do think she is losing her top 3 status though, after the whole blackest night affair I would say we have an all male Batman/Superman/Green Lantern.
 
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