State Your Opinion on A Character

[Spike_x1]

Re: Green Arrow. Decent character, but I never cared enough about him to follow any of his own titles. I think I tend to gravitate to him more when he's shown in small doses. For instance, I thought his animated short was cool (though the ending really just sputtered out, IMO) and I liked him in JLU. Alan Moore's Night Olympics story was pretty cool too, but my favorite of his appearances was his one on one fight with Deadshot in Floyd's last miniseries. The two of them hanging out in a bar afterwards and playing darts was a lot of fun.

For Black Canary, I like her a lot as well, but haven't consistently followed any books with her in a main role, except for Justice League of America for a brief period when she was chairperson.

 

[twylight]

And more importantly, Pieter's not a total dick!

True dat. Being super hot helps too.

I like seeing the many sides of Ollie though. He's a pretty complex and interesting character when written well. Ultimately I see him as a frame for other characters I find more interesting and fun. When badly written he's pretty much a non-stop *****e, which is pretty much... all the time.

 

[KingMob]

I like Ollie. I read my first GA story when Kevin Smith revived the character, and went a picked up a lot of back issues. In the last 5 years though? His comics have sucked too much for me to care, same goes with the new "Smallville"-looking Green Arrow. Blah

 

[Mystirious]

Re: Green Arrow. Decent character, but I never cared enough about him to follow any of his own titles. I think I tend to gravitate to him more when he's shown in small doses. For instance, I thought his animated short was cool (though the ending really just sputtered out, IMO) and I liked him in JLU. Alan Moore's Night Olympics story was pretty cool too, but my favorite of his appearances was his one on one fight with Deadshot in Floyd's last miniseries. The two of them hanging out in a bar afterwards and playing darts was a lot of fun.

For Black Canary, I like her a lot as well, but haven't consistently followed any books with her in a main role, except for Justice League of America for a brief period when she was chairperson.

You should definitely check out Birds of Prey Spike

 

[Spike_x1]

I do own one issue.

It's the one where Dinah meets Bane.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

BC can GTFO

 

[trustyside-kick]

I do own one issue.

It's the one where Dinah meets Bane.

You have a problem, sir.

Though to feed your Bane fetish, (you really should read the first 25 issues of it because that run was ****ING AWESOME by Rucka, but) there are an issue or two (like around issue 12) in Checkmate of the son of Judomaster chasing down Bane to get revenge for him killing his father during IC. Really good issues and the interaction with Bane is cool.

 

[Kurosawa]

I love Black Canary, although I think she's underestimated a lot. She should be more badass than she's allowed to be, but superheroines often get bad treatment.

 

[SuperFerret]

I like Dinah. She's one of those characters that you can put into just about any situation a superheroine can get into and it would work due to her connections throughout the superpowered community.

 

[Mystirious]

You have a problem, sir.

Though to feed your Bane fetish, (you really should read the first 25 issues of it because that run was ****ING AWESOME by Rucka, but) there are an issue or two (like around issue 12) in Checkmate of the son of Judomaster chasing down Bane to get revenge for him killing his father during IC. Really good issues and the interaction with Bane is cool.

That story was indeed fab as was every issue of Checkmate that Rucka wrote

Definitely well worth checking out

I do own one issue.

It's the one where Dinah meets Bane.

Oh Spike

 

[twylight]

I do own one issue.

It's the one where Dinah meets Bane.

Does not surprise me. You're still hoping for a Parasite Canary too I bet.

BC can GTFO

 

[Mystirious]

True dat. Being super hot helps too.

His real power is super human hawtness

Also he has his own pet crime fighting owl. That is epically epic right there

I like seeing the many sides of Ollie though. He's a pretty complex and interesting character when written well. Ultimately I see him as a frame for other characters I find more interesting and fun. When badly written he's pretty much a non-stop *****e, which is pretty much... all the time.

Green Arrow: Rise and Fall

'Nuff said

 

[Panthro]

I love Black Canary, although I think she's underestimated a lot. She should be more badass than she's allowed to be, but superheroines often get bad treatment.

Well that's certainly true.

 

[Spike_x1]

You have a problem, sir.

I can quit any time I want!

Though to feed your Bane fetish, (you really should read the first 25 issues of it because that run was ****ING AWESOME by Rucka, but) there are an issue or two (like around issue 12) in Checkmate of the son of Judomaster chasing down Bane to get revenge for him killing his father during IC. Really good issues and the interaction with Bane is cool.

I've read it. Didn't really like it. Partly because it was a followup to Johns' dumb idea of undoing years of character development for the sake of a one panel cameo in Infinite Crisis, right after Bane got a new lease on life and decided to be a better man in respect to Batman, who he was on pretty good terms with at the time. He had no intention of being a dickbag supervillain anymore. And then we see him in a pointless cameo where he breaks Judomaster's back across his knee during a supervillain riot in Metropolis.

I really wanted to just say that cameo was non-canon and that Judomaster was killed by random criminal X, since it doesn't fit at all with the direction of Bane's personality, but the Checkmate arc had to go and dig it back up. That one single cameo in IC derailed so much of his character development until Gail Simone got hold of him for Secret Six and managed to salvage some of who he was.

Aside from disliking it on principle, the other reason I didn't like that storyarc from the perspective of a Bane fan is that the way Rucka wrote his personality wasn't consistent with who the character had become. He talked very eloquently, but his actual behavior was uncharacteristically brutish. He was way too eager to fight instead of listening to Jagger's story like someone of his intelligence would do. Looking at previous appearances, Bane loves chatting back and forth with noteworthy opponents before fighting (Ra's Al Ghul, Batman, King Snake, and he even indulged in bouncing dialogue off a random street girl during No Man's Land for a while). Bane has always been a talker, loving to play the verbal cat-and-mouse game with an enemy, and definitely not the type to fight first and ask questions later. And the fight itself between him and Jagger was horses**t. I'm not saying Bane should've won, but there's no way in living hell it would've been nearly so one-sided.

His political role in Santa Prisca in that story was a neat idea, though.

Back to Dinah...

She doesn't know what she was missing out on when she turned Bane down.

 

[The Question]

I've read it. Didn't really like it. Partly because it was a followup to Johns' dumb idea of undoing years of character development for the sake of a one panel cameo in Infinite Crisis, right after Bane got a new lease on life and decided to be a better man in respect to Batman, who he was on pretty good terms with at the time. He had no intention of being a dickbag supervillain anymore. And then we see him in a pointless cameo where he breaks Judomaster's back across his knee during a supervillain riot in Metropolis.

It was worse with the added dialogue in the hardcover edition.


Geoff Johns doesn't really like characters that weren't on the Superfriends.

 

[Anubis]

Well, that's it for Dinah.

Spoiler

Captain Marvel

 

[Primal Slayer]

Im ok w/Marvel but since DC doesnt do anything with him or his family he isnt that big to me. And I know the whole being a child is a big part of who he is, but I just get tired of seeing Billy never grow up.

 

[twylight]

Should have kept him with Courtney.

I admit I don't know much about the Marvel family. Whenever I tried to read any of their books/titles/stories it went right over my head. I wish they were more accessible in terms of reading. I'm talking like --frick a bird ran into my window --anyway. Like the family back in the original crazy years of comics with the crazy stories. I want more like that from the Marvel family, and less of the angst.
Aren't their powers like, taken away ever so often for no other reason than the writers don't know what to do with them?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Cap is easily in my top 5 fav DC heroes. Really hope The Marvel Family shows up post-relaunch

 

[trustyside-kick]

Love Captain Marvel but DC hasn't known what to do with him and his mythos for a while. I admit the Trails of Shazam thing with Billy becoming Shazam was interesting but it was confusing since there was NO sense of continuity when he would still appear as Captain Marvel in other titles way after that story took place.

DC was doing great things with Black Adam though but sadly not the hero of the mythos.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Sucks big time! I have tried countless times to give the "big red cheese" a break( come on! your nickname is the "big red cheese that" alone qualifies some lameness..." watch out or "the big red cheese" will get you!") kingdom come. the Shazam and Isis hour on Saturday morning..everything and this guy blows for me! I think his primary role is to show up and get his ass beat by SuperMan... Hahah to show fawcett comics after DC got his rights. "Who's your daddy son!: hahahah sucks!

 

[Kurosawa]

I love Captain Marvel but there is little to no chance DC will ever get him right. They can't even get Superman right.

Captain Marvel existed from 1939-1954 and everything since then is acrophya.

 

[Mystirious]

It was worse with the added dialogue in the hardcover edition.


Geoff Johns doesn't really like characters that weren't on the Superfriends.

At least Simone wrote him well when he showed up in Secret Six

Until the fracking relaunch got the series cancelled

Back to Dinah...

She doesn't know what she was missing out on when she turned Bane down.

Some rough bow chicka wow wow I'm sure

 

[Mystirious]

Should have kept him with Courtney.

They should have

The way they broke those two up was just silly

I admit I don't know much about the Marvel family. Whenever I tried to read any of their books/titles/stories it went right over my head. I wish they were more accessible in terms of reading. I'm talking like --frick a bird ran into my window --anyway. Like the family back in the original crazy years of comics with the crazy stories. I want more like that from the Marvel family, and less of the angst.

More crazy and fun Marvel family stories and less angsty and gory ones sounds pretty neat to me

Shazam: Monster society of evil is a pretty crazy and fun story with no angst and Mary Marvel and Tawky Tawny are both adorable in it

Aren't their powers like, taken away ever so often for no other reason than the writers don't know what to do with them?

Pretty much

They probably don't exist any more ;_;

 

[SuperFerret]

I love Captain Marvel.