State Your Opinion on A Character

[Anubis]

I used to really enjoy Barry.

From stuff like JLA year one. Brave and the Bold where they traced Hal and Barry's relationship. Of course, his gallant death in COIE where he sacrificed himself to save countless billions. The guys a hero.

Then Final Crisis happened. All of a sudden he's back. Okay. But due to past returns of long dead characters, I was weary. Then Rebirth. And that was what killed all interest in the character for me. He created the Speedforce? He created motion? Seriously Johns?

Now, as far as I"m concerned Barry is a running gag.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved Barry in JLA: Year One and his first meeting with Aquaman and various other things. He was basically the quintessential superhero who loved being a superhero, an eternal optimist, the glue holding all the other heroes together in the League, etc. But given that Johns has s*** all over Wally in the process of bringing Barry back and indulged in every stupid cliché to twist Barry into a brooding dickbag, I can't get behind him now.

 

[The Question]

Barry's main appeal for me was always the fact that his personality wasn't a stereotype of his powerset. He wasn't hyperactive like Bart or hotheaded like Wally or arrogant and impatient like Pietro. He was patient, methodical, cool headed, and approached problems scientifically. He was a down to earth guy trying to solve problems in a practical way and just happened to have god like powers to help with that. Barry essentially being the reason the universe exists ruins that.

 

[The Morningstar]

Maaaan **** Barry Allen. He shoulda stayed dead.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Barry's main appeal for me was always the fact that his personality wasn't a stereotype of his powerset. He wasn't hyperactive like Bart or hotheaded like Wally or arrogant and impatient like Pietro. He was patient, methodical, cool headed, and approached problems scientifically. He was a down to earth guy trying to solve problems in a practical way and just happened to have god like powers to help with that. Barry essentially being the reason the universe exists ruins that.

i totally agree!

for me Barry is the Man (I love Wally too. I gots room for both!) but and to sum it up it's like this!
Dude died to save everything! he was really one of the Major popular players to die when it really meant something! That &^%$# was a blow!! ,but he went out like you are suppose... to saving everything you cared about!! ( not like all these suckery ass deaths now!)... and for That Barry will always Rock Hard!!

PS Shade.. to use you guys terminology "eh" I can take him or leave him. he just sorta there for me!

 

[SuperFerret]

As I say whenever it comes up: I like all the Flashes, except Bart.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

As I say whenever it comes up: I like all the Flashes, except Bart.

I also agree with this and i love speedsters! ( thats why i am always getting traffic tickets! hehe) That Kid! Maaaannn Alive! that Kid i want to go away soooo freaking bad!! he gets on my everlasting gobstopper nerves!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I love Bart. As Impulse. S*** went downhill real quick when he became Kid Flash.

 

[SuperFerret]

I never liked that type of hyper-irresponsible goofball Bart is most of the time.

 

[Franklin Richards]

He's ok as long as Max Mercury is with him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, it's fun. He had some depth too. Check the Young Justice comics during Our Worlds at War.

 

[Mystirious]

I used to really enjoy Barry.

From stuff like JLA year one. Brave and the Bold where they traced Hal and Barry's relationship. Of course, his gallant death in COIE where he sacrificed himself to save countless billions. The guys a hero.

Then Final Crisis happened. All of a sudden he's back. Okay. But due to past returns of long dead characters, I was weary. Then Rebirth. And that was what killed all interest in the character for me. He created the Speedforce? He created motion? Seriously Johns?

Now, as far as I"m concerned Barry is a running gag.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts and feelings about Barry ever since he was brought back

I loved Barry in JLA: Year One and his first meeting with Aquaman and various other things. He was basically the quintessential superhero who loved being a superhero, an eternal optimist, the glue holding all the other heroes together in the League, etc. But given that Johns has s*** all over Wally in the process of bringing Barry back and indulged in every stupid cliché to twist Barry into a brooding dickbag, I can't get behind him now.

Agreed

I've just not enjoyed the series with him

 

[Franklin Richards]

Eh. I suppose it's the same thing for me with Kyle. It's not that I have the same hate for his character that others have for Hal. It's just the rape baby analogy.


I suppose looking at Barry makes you yearn for Wally. The same way Kyle irked me.

 

[SuperFerret]

I find Kyle bland, and I don't hate Hal, I just dislike him deeply. He's the type of person that needs to be punched repeatedly, especially when Johns is writing him (which I find terribly ironic).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Johns loves the irony. Another irony: he brought Barry back just to replace the easygoing, optimistic hero he used to be with an angsty, melodramatic *****ebag with the clichéd family tragedy origin of like 70% of the other heroes out there.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm saying it's ironic that Johns' Hal is the version I find the most unlikeable when Johns is clearly writing him as some super-awesome guy you'd want to grab a beer with.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

i hated Kyle when he showed up, cause Hal was the man.i was like here we go again "another hothead ,cant get along dipheaded young guy! Damn! how many times do we have to go through this, but then " dude's girl got put in the frdige and i was like Damn! thats hella wrong!! that's when Kyle won me over! He really wasn't jerky,but more just Hey Daddy-o i am trying here!This thing didnt come with instructions you know! I can embrace young guys, but what i hate is" the reckless, know it all dipheads"( i meet enough of those in real life!i dont need em in my comics!)hehe

 

[The Question]

Honestly, the concept of Hal's turn to the dark side never really irked me, conceptually I think it's really cool, I just wish the story where it happened had been better. If it had come at the end of an appopriately epic story arc and seemed less like him suddenly being evil and more like him trying to fix a problem and things getting completely out of hand, then I would have liked it better. I enjoyed the concept of Kyle as torchbearer so much that I really wish the story that had led to hit worked better.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Kyle won me over by weathering every terrible thing that happened to him and just recommitting himself to the ideals of heroism in general and, later, the Corps in particular as he understood them. And then The Sinestro Corps War happened and f***ed all of that up.

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, Johns loves the irony. Another irony: he brought Barry back just to replace the easygoing, optimistic hero he used to be with an angsty, melodramatic *****ebag with the clichéd family tragedy origin of like 70% of the other heroes out there.

I really do hate the pointless retcons made to Barry's past just to make him more 'tragic'. None of them have improved the character and they don't really make any sense

Barry should just be able to go back in time and stop Zoom killing his mother. But for some made up and contrived reason he cannot do that. Because then he wouldn't be tragic enough

 

[Spike_x1]

The Flash segment kinda sums up my thoughts on Barry.

I don't really mean this in a snarky way, but I think Barry was better when he was dead, and bringing him back and injecting an artificial sense of importance into the character (creating the Speed Force(?!)) and a dark gritty backstory hasn't convinced me that he needed to return, and any role he can fill now couldn't have been filled by a hero who was already living.

Barry was an example for other heroes to live up to and learn from. Personally watching Wally grow into his mentor's role and make a name for himself in the superhero community while also honoring Barry's memory is an aspect that helped serve to make Wally my favorite while simultaneously making Barry into the Uncle Ben of the Flash world (and hell, Barry even one-upped Ben in that regard by sacrificing himself to save his peeps, IMO). His death held significance.

Just kidding.

 

[The Question]

... I'm sorry, I got distracted by how dumn the Hulk's Super-Math is.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah...it is dumb.

Who came up with that? I"m thinking Slott.

 

[The Question]

Yeah...it is dumb.

Who came up with that? I"m thinking Slott.

No, I think it was Greg Pak.

I do hate it when people try to nice up The Hulk too much. While Bruce is very heroic and when he's able to get some semblence of control over his condition he should steer The Hulk towards doing good, there should be some semblence of legitimate danger to innocent people represented by The Hulk or it makes Bruce's struggle somewhat meaningless.

 

[sandwraith]

The Hulk is an insurance agent's worst nightmare. Not only does he cause indiscriminate damage but he also leaves the insured alive?

WTF?!?