State Your Opinion on A DC Character - Part 2

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Perry has had his moments and is certainly a good character at times, but I unfortunately have to agree with The Question's post to a degree. I think characters like Perry could benefit most from back-up features where they can be allowed to be written more as a newspaper editor, or whatever it is they do. Jimmy works better as a continuing character if he is written in an insane world.

And for the record, Jimmy can kick a lot of ass...he was the original Flamebird, he knows Kryptonian martial arts, speaks Kryptonese, and he was "Mr. Action' back in the 70's. Jimmy's no wuss.
 
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But he is a Ginger, and you know how people feel about Gingers these days. :o
 
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1) i have no idea where that is from and i am soooooo glad i dont... cause i dont want my memories traumatized!
2) Perry is pretty much a 1 on the suck-o-meter i mean pretty much all he has ever done is smoke cigars and yell at jimmy!I have known waaayy to many people like that and they suck
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3) forgive my ignorance... but what the hell is a ginger!?! is that like Mary ann and Ginger?!?! cause if it is i would have had both!:cwink:
 
1) i have no idea where that is from and i am soooooo glad i dont... cause i dont want my memories traumatized!

All-Star Superman. He did these Day as articles that made him famous as hell. He'd spend a day as, say, a Trillionaire Super Scientist, or President of the United States, or, in that particular case, a Super Model. :o

He also crossdressed all the time in the Silver-Age.



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3) forgive my ignorance... but what the hell is a ginger!?! is that like Mary ann and Ginger?!?! cause if it is i would have had both!:cwink:

It's a derogatory term for a Red Head that's gained popularity in recent years thanks to people missing the point of an episode of South Park. :o
 
1) i have no idea where that is from and i am soooooo glad i dont... cause i dont want my memories traumatized!
2) Perry is pretty much a 1 on the suck-o-meter i mean pretty much all he has ever done is smoke cigars and yell at jimmy!I have known waaayy to many people like that and they suck
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3) forgive my ignorance... but what the hell is a ginger!?! is that like Mary ann and Ginger?!?! cause if it is i would have had both!:cwink:

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Jimmy has cross-dressed almost as much as Bugs Bunny:

http://www.tgfa.org/comics/jimmy_olsen/jimmy_olsen.htm
 
It's a derogatory term for a Red Head that's gained popularity in recent years thanks to people missing the point of an episode of South Park. :o
Oooookay I gotta look that south park ep up now. i dont like not knowing cause that's half the battle!:cwink:
Jimmy has cross-dressed almost as much as Bugs Bunny:
Wow!* Thats uhhh kinda strange! you learn something new everyday.i never knew that! ... and i am kinda glad in a way i missed those issues!

* Blackvulcan doesnt see nothing wrong with it.. just that's its not my cup of tea at my tea party! hehe
 
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Jimmy has cross-dressed almost as much as Bugs Bunny:

http://www.tgfa.org/comics/jimmy_olsen/jimmy_olsen.htm

One of the many reasons to love him :up:

Anubis said:
It's a derogatory term for a Red Head that's gained popularity in recent years thanks to people missing the point of an episode of South Park.:o

Red heads be fabulous. Kate Kane, Donna Noble, Amy Pond, Willow, Barbara Gordon

All red heads. All heroes who saved the earth from crazy stuff :up:
 
Well, that's it for Perry. A guy who kinda is just there.

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Lois Lane
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Lois Lane.

Hoo boy.

Let me get this out of the way and say that I like Lois. I am a fan of Lois Lane. She's pretty cool. But more than that, she's interesting.

Lois is that rare breed of character who's really well rounded, has a solid, believable and really emotionally resonant backstory, has a lot of layers to her, and pretty much has a supporting cast of her own with her dad, her sister, her sister's husband, and Perry who she has more of a relationship with than Clark does, but despite all of that, at her core, she's still largely defined by her relationship with another character.

That character being Superman.

Duh.

She's Superman's girlfriend. Or wife. Or girlfriend then wife then girlfriend again because Grant Morrison is a butthead sometimes and did you know that the entire reboot was just one giant dumbass excuse to break up their marriage and recreate that stupid ****ing love triangle and okay I'll stop but we WILL be talking about this later!

Anyway. Point.

She's Superman's girlfriend. That's the label that she's carried with her for pretty much ever. It's the role she always fills. She's the archtypical superhero girlfriend. She's the reason every super hero movie has a shoehorned in love interest who doesn't add anything to the plot and isn't particularly interesting. They're all derivative of her.

Because she's more or less defined by that role, her characterization and general role in the stories is much more effected by the times and by the writter than Superman himself, because she's pretty much a slave to whatever the current author's view on love is. I think the best example of this is contrasting her protrayal in the very early days of the Original Seigel Shuster run with her portrayal in the Silver Age. In the first ever Superman story, Lois was pretty much the main character. We found out about Superman through mostly her point of view, and she initiated the plot with her gung ho journalism, Superman's role in the story was pretty much "Oh, I've got to save my mean yet oddly hot coworker. Again. ****." Well, that and being a weird alien guy in a blue costume.

Then look at her in the 60s. She's shrill, boy crazy, petty, kind of a sociopath, kind of insane, etc. While in the 30s Lois was based on the then not quite contemporary but still within recent memory Nellie Bly and served as our introduction to Superman and his two fisted pulpy adventures, in the 60s with all of their weird sci-fi regurgetated nonsense she's pretty much devolved into every horrible female stereotype that was popular at the time.

And that's the problem Lois has almost always faced as a character. Since her primary role is "love interest," she changed depending on whatever the current writer thinks about love.

The biggest thing about this is how it ties into the whole "Is he really Clark or is he really Superman" debate. I know that might seem like a tangent but I really don't think you can bring up Lois and not bring this up to. Whatever approach you take to Superman, it has a huge impact on the character of Lois Lane. Which side of his personality is the "real" him says a lot about her falling in love with him and the nature of her feelings for him and wether or not she's shallow or callous or confused or whatever.

If you go with the idea that Clark is who he really is, then what you're basically saying is that what Lois Lane inititially falls in love with is the idea of Superman, the symbol he represents, and it isn't until she and Clark grow closer and he reveals his identity to her that she falls in love with the man.

If you go with the other way around, what you're saying is that she falls in love with the man he really is deep down inside that he wishes he could share with her but can't because circumstances won't allow it.

Both of those are interesting. Both of those are, in my opinion, pretty cool. But they're both pretty different.

For my money, I'm actually not a huge fan of either, just like I think the Clark/Superman split is a false dichotomy.

The way I prefer Superman, and the way in which I think he has the most nuanced and interesting character, is the idea that both sides are the real him. When he's Superman he's being himself in a way he can't as Clark, and when he's Clark he's being himself in a way that he can't as Superman, and he can't be completely himself at all times because circumstances won't allow it. I like that idea because it seems more real, it creates a lot of conflicting needs and desires, it's a much more complex and psychologival take on the character, and I think it just makes more logical sense.

In the same way I think I prefer the love story angle that one would extrapolate from that. Lois does fall in love with the inner coolness and strength that shines as Superman but is hidden in Clark. But at the same time, Superman is kind of whitewashed. He's processed for mass consumption. Clark has to make himself appear to be perfect as Superman for the sake of the symbol that Superman is. As Clark, he's allowed to be in foul moods and have a kind of messy apartment and me snarky and act goofy and say dumb things and like dorky ****. As they grow closer she has to deal with the fact that he's a person, not just a concept of a person, and I think that's much more real and much more interesting.

Either way, that's what makes Lois fascinating from a narrative standpoint. She has this really well defined personality, but at the same time it fluctates wildly based on the writer's style and approach because she's still stuck in the role of the love interest, and every writer handles the love interest differently. Silver age Lois, Golden age Lois, John Byrne's Lois, Movie Lois, they're all reconizably the same character, but with how wildly different they are you'd think they shouldn't be.
 
The best version of Lois (as it usually is with Superman himself and all his supporting cast) is Maggin's. It was Maggin who had the take on her that she was an idealist much like Superman himself, but had been veering away from believing until he came along-and that without Superman she would have been burned out on life and bored by the world by the time she was 30. It was meeting Superman that made her believe again.

I don't like Byrne's Lois but I don't like Silver Age Lois much either. Golden and Bronze Age Lois are the versions that interest me the most.

Regardless, she's an icon. Just like every superhero is ultimately a take off of Superman, every superheros love interest is a take off of Lois-especially if they are not a superhero themselves.
 
Fabulous post :up:

I adore Lois. When she's written well she's a brilliant, intelligent lady and I loved the 80's/90's/early 2000's take on the character

She hasnt really appeared enough in the new dcu for me to decide on how I feel yet but I liked how Morrison described her

And I enjoy the utterly insane, completely nonsensical silver age stories too because they are completely ridiculous and wonderful

Like the time Catwoman turned Superman into a cat :atp:
 
Dammmmn! those are some nice legs!! I love lois! and yes it's mostly because of Margot Kidder( before she went bat&^$$ crazy and got fugly!) what?!?! she was a girl, she was in a superhero movie. it was the perfect combo of course i would develop a crush! Her Lois smokes! She she wasnt just the "i need to be a hostage babe" for superman!She went after stuff( baby girl in smallvillve took &^% abit too far!) like really you are going after Metallo and he aint going to beat you silly !get outta here with that! Plus she's a good girl! Loyal to the end.The babe you can come home after fighting Brainiac and she would make you french toast in a french maid's outfit! Lois is a 9 on the Rocktor scale!
 
Alternative opinion: Lois Lane? More like Lois Lame.
 
1st of all, I will be sure to steal use that image of Lois in the future. Secondly, I love Lois. She is almost my absolute favorite number one non-powered supporting character/family member/friend/love interest character in comics. I love her personality and that so-called b&tch&ness? Yeah, she's a b&tch. And it works for her. She's no push-over.

Dana Delnay is the definitive voice of the character. I only hear her Superman: TAS voice in my head when I read her in comics.
 
Love Lois. I wouldnt mind if DC gave her a mini or ongoing so we could see her more outside of Superman and see her reporting more on other heroes.
 
Hmmm, generally positive. I expected more cries of B***H!!!!! for LL sexy legs.

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I. Love. Alfred. Pennyworth.

I'm gonna be really curious to see if anyone on here doesn't. Seriously, is it even possible not to?
 
Gotta love Alfred, one of the few people that can put the Bat in his place.

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holeeeeeee look at those legs!!Damn Anubis!Hehe

Anyways Alfred or "Batman's dad" is 8.5 on the Rocktor scale. like in real life. All it takes is that one person! where you can go one way or the other!because of Al and his guidance he went the way of dressing up as a flying rodent!:cwink:Al is hella cool!
 
I'm sure Al would have rather he didn't become a Vigilante, but, eh, what chu gonna do?

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