State Your Opinion on A DC Character - Part 3

[CConn]

If he never made another appearance again, I probably wouldn't even notice.

 

[Anubis]

I thought he was just a professional pyro.

 

[Kurosawa]

Original Firefly was a special effects expert and was more like Mysterio than anything. A pretty solid crook character. The latter day version is very trite.

 

[WolfCypher]

He's not really worth having an opinion over. Even Bruce Timm couldn't make him interesting.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Ambush bug:
He's okay. Sort of like DC's less successful deadpool.

Bat Mite:
Hate him. Everyone has their own interpretation of Batman and Bat-Mite has no place in mine.

Firefly:
Cancelled after 11 episodes?! **** you, Fox! ****. You.

 

[greenrage36]

As mentioned earlier...solid crook-style villain. I don't have any big issues with Firefly although I can see how he could come across as bland or uninteresting too.

 

[Kurosawa]

The problem with characters like Firefly is the usual "fix" for them is to make them psychotic serial killers. People mistake the success of a villain like Joker for that to be the way to go with villains who need fleshing out, but it only works for Joker because it was what he was meant to be and because all the other aspects of the character are so perfectly realized.

A character like Firefly, you look at his core ideas-special effects master and a lighting (not fire) motif, and you try to take it from there. Bill Finger would approach the character (and did) by looking at effects men, at how they went about their work and some of the tricks of the trade, and he would incorporate that into the character.

 

[Anubis]

I still say he's better off as a professional Pyromaniac. If you're gonna burn stuff down to get your rocks off, you may as well get paid to do it.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

who?!?!?
hahaha! that about sums this guy up with me. heatwave is much much much better !with a whole slew of crazies this guy is lost in the shuffle. i can see dude at a villain bar you start fires?!?.....man!! my whole life is built on some jacked up 2 sided coin i keep! get outta here wiht that!

 

[Anubis]

Moving on.

Spoiler

Brick

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

"this town deserves a better class of criminals" or at least Green arrow does!!.He/ she/ it was horrible!!... aint worth a boxing glove arrow! boo!

 

[Anubis]

All right, now that's some boos**t.

That dude was cool. Had a lot of potential. Coulda been a very cool Kingpin type character.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Spoiler

and oopsie for the double post( I will do time in the penalty box for this)...*^%@#$%^&*$%^&& HELL YEAH!. i got that on my gym workout jams. That &^%%$# makes me wanna kick bad guys/ girls ass and take their names! i salute you sir!.... hehe carry on!

Oopsise no double post and the ^%$# with brick wasnt!.. dont make me take back my hahahaha

 

[Anubis]

I aim to please.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Lawd have mercy..... have i done stuff for the greater good to that song!
you sir have earned some extra Vulcan bolt points in my book( redeemable at any local quickie mart) for that!

 

[Mystirious]

All right, now that's some boos**t.

That dude was cool. Had a lot of potential. Coulda been a very cool Kingpin type character.

Yep i dug Brick. It's a shame no one really used the character Green Arrow doesn't have many good rogues and Brick could have been a really neat new one for him

 

[Anubis]

Wow, nobody else? Well, movin' on.

Spoiler

It's cuz I'm Granite, ain't it?

Constantine Drakon

 

[Mystirious]

Drakon was pretty creepy and menacing in the comics I've read with him in I'd dig seeing him show up again

 

[The Question]

He's alright. My main problem with him is that he falls into the same annoying area that a lot of non-powered characters with martial arts training do, where just through training he basically has super powers akin to Spider-Man's and is pretty much perfect and unbeatable. Its unrealistic, but more than that it's boring. If you have a bad guy who is pretty much unstoppable, after a while he or she stops being intimidating and starts being tiring and slightly goofy. Slasher movie villains tend to have the same problem, although not so much with martial arts.

Look at a character like The Doctor from Doctor Who. Not a villain, obviously, but he's painted as being a nigh unstoppable force within his own story. However, he pretty clearly has limitations. He makes mistakes, there are things he clearly cannot do, he's capable of being defeated and tricked, and has to suffer the consequences of loss sometimes. The reason he comes of as unstoppable, however, is because he never gives up and is incredibly clever and resourceful, so he is often capable of turning defeats into victories. And because we have seen him fail before, it still keeps it exciting.

The same should be true with villains like Drakon. Sure, paint him as an unstoppable force, but actually show him having to work for his victories, don't make them unrealistically easy. Make him an expert fighter, but give him realistic limitations, let him get tired and injured, let people he's fighting get hits in and get the drop on him sometimes. And also, make him fight dirty. The greatest fighters in the world aren't the people with the fanciest moves, they're the people who win fights. He should be biting people, breaking their arms, collapsing their windpipes. The fancy stuff is just dancing, it's good for practice and it's good for exercise, but real world fights don't usually last more than five seconds unless both parties are exceptionally skilled, and even the ones that end without deaths end with some nasty injuries.

I'm not saying he's a bad character, I think he's really cool. I like the stoic hit man thing he has going on. I just don't like part of the presentation. What makes him this unstoppable juggernaut should be his skill and willpower, not pseudo-mystical fighting skills and a magical "everything is easy for me field." I think that would actually make him more intimidating. The kind of willpower it would take for him to be that dangerous while still having realistic limitations is, at least to me, much scarier than simply having everything be easy for him.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Wow, nobody else?

hahaha the best thing about that last round was BOC.... which is going for me to be this round too. sorry i think He sucks!
hit it!

man if this wasn't a family show... oh the stories i could tell about bumping this down the Las Vegas strip with tequila in my system!

 

[Mystirious]

He's alright. My main problem with him is that he falls into the same annoying area that a lot of non-powered characters with martial arts training do, where just through training he basically has super powers akin to Spider-Man's and is pretty much perfect and unbeatable. Its unrealistic, but more than that it's boring. If you have a bad guy who is pretty much unstoppable, after a while he or she stops being intimidating and starts being tiring and slightly goofy. Slasher movie villains tend to have the same problem, although not so much with martial arts.

Look at a character like The Doctor from Doctor Who. Not a villain, obviously, but he's painted as being a nigh unstoppable force within his own story. However, he pretty clearly has limitations. He makes mistakes, there are things he clearly cannot do, he's capable of being defeated and tricked, and has to suffer the consequences of loss sometimes. The reason he comes of as unstoppable, however, is because he never gives up and is incredibly clever and resourceful, so he is often capable of turning defeats into victories. And because we have seen him fail before, it still keeps it exciting.

The same should be true with villains like Drakon. Sure, paint him as an unstoppable force, but actually show him having to work for his victories, don't make them unrealistically easy. Make him an expert fighter, but give him realistic limitations, let him get tired and injured, let people he's fighting get hits in and get the drop on him sometimes. And also, make him fight dirty. The greatest fighters in the world aren't the people with the fanciest moves, they're the people who win fights. He should be biting people, breaking their arms, collapsing their windpipes. The fancy stuff is just dancing, it's good for practice and it's good for exercise, but real world fights don't usually last more than five seconds unless both parties are exceptionally skilled, and even the ones that end without deaths end with some nasty injuries.

I'm not saying he's a bad character, I think he's really cool. I like the stoic hit man thing he has going on. I just don't like part of the presentation. What makes him this unstoppable juggernaut should be his skill and willpower, not pseudo-mystical fighting skills and a magical "everything is easy for me field."

That's true sometimes these characters can be written as too over the top in how powerful they are

Like the bit in Identity Crisis where Deathstroke beat the entire JLA

 

[The Question]

Kyle Rayner: Hey, I have the power to create any three dimensional object I can imagine. But instead of dropping a cartoon anvil on the guy who's stronger and a better fighter than me, I think I'll try punching him!

 

[Mystirious]

He could have at least tried punching him with a giant green fist

 

[Superman 1265]

That's true sometimes these characters can be written as too over the top in how powerful they are

Like the bit in Identity Crisis where Deathstroke beat the entire JLA

That really happened?

 

[The Question]

That really happened?

No, of course not.

Superman and Wonder Woman weren't there.

But Green Lantern and The Flash were.