Stop Complaining Please! Is Anybody Else Sick of It?!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

At least I had fun at Rider. It was cheesy for sure, but it was harmless.

As opposed to X3, which is responsible for AIDS and starvation in Africa...

 

[Spade]

As opposed to X3, which is responsible for AIDS and starvation in Africa...

It's compelled longtime fans to talk about it over these very boards with such derision that some have been banned or willingly left altogether over the arguments this one film starts. Isn't that bad enough?

 

[gambitfire]

As opposed to X3, which is responsible for AIDS and starvation in Africa...

Don't be such a drama queen i'm sure you know what he ment.

 

[the a1ant]

I liked Ghost Rider and X3 equally, actually. That's not to say one or the other were masterpieces. They were both fun, but flawed films, IMO.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Love the new XMF, ant
had never seen that Wolvie pic so big

 

[04nbod]

Love the new XMF, ant
had never seen that Wolvie pic so big

there's a wolverine pic? i can't see it.Took me a while to find the forum as well

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Don't be such a drama queen i'm sure you know what he ment.

The internet is bad for detecting sarcasm...

 

[flavio_lebeau]

there's a wolverine pic? i can't see it.Took me a while to find the forum as well

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

As opposed to X3, which is responsible for AIDS and starvation in Africa...

Oh, come on. You can never let it go, can you?

The only thing X3 was responsible for is my utter disdain for the third installment and disinterest in the future of a series I previously really enjoyed, based on comics I really love.

At the end of the day, I'm only concerned about how things affect me.

So yeah. Ghost Rider gave me a fun two hours. X3 gave me nothing, except gas, maybe.

 

[gambitfire]

The internet is bad for detecting sarcasm...

It is, so maybe you should leave it out.

*sarcastic tone*

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As opposed to X3, which is responsible for AIDS and starvation in Africa...

Eh eh. Funny. t:

Tsk tsk. You forgot global warming. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant global LAMING. t:

 

[YJ1]

At the end of the day, I'm only concerned about how things affect me.

It's funny how people expect a tent pole movie geared for the general public to bow to fit their own narrow expectations. I'm sure Fox is ashamed of X3's460 million dollar box office and massive DVD sales now that Paste Pot Pete is disgruntled. Have they issued a press release stating their formal apology yet?

I still find it entertaining to visit this board and skim over the still rampant and futile whining of some disgruntled fanboys. It's pathetic but it's still damn funny.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

It's funny how people expect a tent pole movie geared for the general public to bow to fit their own narrow expectations. I'm sure Fox is ashamed of X3's460 million dollar box office and massive DVD sales now that Paste Pot Pete is disgruntled. Have they issued a press release stating their formal apology yet?

I still find it entertaining to visit this board and skim over the still rampant and futile whining of some disgruntled fanboys. It's pathetic but it's still damn funny.

What to know what's more pathetic? The fact that you still lurk these "pathetic boards" and still troll with your opinion. I thought you had better things to do? You mean to tell me that you still come to this "pathetic board" to read about the whining and anger?

Tell me, weren't you exposed as a hypocritical poster who contradicted himself? Didn't you go to the Batman Begins forum and literally start a flame war?

No one takes you seriously anymore YJ1. Some people like/love X3, some people don't. Just because it made it's money doesn't make it a good movie either.

Bottom line? What's done is done. X3 is like what Bond said about Vesper. The ***** is dead and I sincerely hope they'll revive it in some fashion. Right now we discuss what should've made it better, offer our own suggestions, and talk about what could be done in order to make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

[Theweepeople]

It's funny how people expect a tent pole movie geared for the general public to bow to fit their own narrow expectations. I'm sure Fox is ashamed of X3's460 million dollar

I'm sure Fox is happy about that X3 has the worst domestic profit percentage of the three films. I'm sure Fox was happy that X3 was added to Boxofficemojo's list of films with the biggest second weekend dropoff. I'm sure Fox was happy that X3 won the award for most disappointing movie of the year award. I'm also, sure Fox was very happy with Ratner's directing abilities despite not considering him to direct an X4 film while considering Singer for X4 and Wolverine.

box office and massive DVD sales now that Paste Pot Pete is disgruntled.

Batman 3, The Hulk, LXG, and Van Helsing all deviated dramatically from their source material, all had great worldwide box office grosses, and all these franchises ended abruptly. Batman and Robin flopped because Batman 3 alienated the fanbase. The planned sequels for the other films never got made for the same reason despite lucrative box office gross.

they issued a press release stating their formal apology yetHave they issued a press release stating their formal apology yet?

I never expected an apology. These arrogant CEO's will never admit to any mistakes. I do expect Fox to look like idiots for destroying the franchises potential. In 5 to 10 years Marvel will get the rights to X-Men back and make a fortune off this comic that will greatly exceed Fox's profits from X-Men.

I still find it entertaining to visit this board and skim over the still rampant and futile whining of some disgruntled fanboys. It's pathetic but it's still damn funny.

I find it entertaining that people like you still think are complaints are futile after everything I've mentioned. If finding amusement in our complaints allows you to sleep at night than more power to you.

 

[danoyse]

I'm sure Fox is happy about that X3 has the worst domestic profit percentage of the three films. I'm sure Fox was happy that X3 was added to Boxofficemojo's list of films with the biggest second weekend dropoff. I'm sure Fox was happy that X3 won the award for most disappointing movie of the year award. I'm also, sure Fox was very happy with Ratner's directing abilities despite not considering him to direct an X4 film while considering Singer for X4 and Wolverine.

Actually, Fox is quite happy how X3 performed at the box office. You see, they don't stop counting the money with the domestic box office. The worldwide box office, in the words of Borat, was verrry nice.

In fact, Fox was very happy in the first quarter of 2007 with how X3 performed. The whopping DVD sales for both X3 and Ice Age 2 picked up the slack from their lackluster fall TV schedule. Read that in a report recently. (fyi, the fiscal year starts on 10/1...X3 was released 10/3)

Then there's the TV revenue. The movie is already available on pay-per-view, and should be hitting cable soon. If it's anything like X1 and X2, it will get a good TV run. Hell, Fox has 2 tv stations to show it on as much as they want.

Even though ticket sales improved in 2006, studios are profiting less on a whole because their movies are getting more and more expensive to make.

Also keep in mind that Fox doesn't live on X-Men alone (although they'd probably treat it better if they did)...they also had highly profitable movies like The Devil Wears Prada, Night at the Museum, Borat, and Little Miss Sunshine last year.

There's no denying that it's probably the least popular of the 3 movies, but Fox isn't exactly crying over anything right now.

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

Keep complaining please! Give this movie the hell it deserves!

 

[Theweepeople]

Actually, Fox is quite happy how X3 performed at the box office. You see, they don't stop counting the money with the domestic box office. The worldwide box office, in the words of Borat, was verrry nice.

In fact, Fox was very happy in the first quarter of 2007 with how X3 performed. The whopping DVD sales for both X3 and Ice Age 2 picked up the slack from their lackluster fall TV schedule. Read that in a report recently. (fyi, the fiscal year starts on 10/1...X3 was released 10/3)

Then there's the TV revenue. The movie is already available on pay-per-view, and should be hitting cable soon. If it's anything like X1 and X2, it will get a good TV run. Hell, Fox has 2 tv stations to show it on as much as they want.

Even though ticket sales improved in 2006, studios are profiting less on a whole because their movies are getting more and more expensive to make.

Also keep in mind that Fox doesn't live on X-Men alone (although they'd probably treat it better if they did)...they also had highly profitable movies like The Devil Wears Prada, Night at the Museum, Borat, and Little Miss Sunshine last year.

There's no denying that it's probably the least popular of the 3 movies, but Fox isn't exactly crying over anything right now.

Once again you take another one of my quotes out of context. I never said this movie was not profitable. I am saying that this movie and franchise was not as profitable as it could have been. X3 definitely underperformed and alienated most of the fans from seeing any future X-Men films. There's no way Fox could make sequel to X3 that wouldn't end up being cheesy. Fox has to reboot this franchise if they want to continue making money off of it and they will have to wait awhile to attempt a reboot. Also, Wolverine is the only spinoff that might make money and it won't come close to making X-Men's profits. The character has already been overexposed in 3 X-Men films so there's no guarantee that fans will still be interested in character in 2008. The X-Men franchise is basically dead for the next 7 years.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Actually, Fox is quite happy how X3 performed at the box office. You see, they don't stop counting the money with the domestic box office. The worldwide box office, in the words of Borat, was verrry nice.
There's no denying that it's probably the least popular of the 3 movies, but Fox isn't exactly crying over anything right now.

Why can't anyone outside of the industry understand that the lion's share of the profit from the worldwide box office goes to other distributors?

It's doubtful that Fox will ever publicly admit they're disappointed with X3's overall performance. Their pursuit of Singer for X4 and Wolverine instead of Ratner is as close to an admission they made a mistake they'll ever get.

 

[danoyse]

It's doubtful that Fox will ever publicly admit they're disappointed with X3's overall performance. Their pursuit of Singer for X4 and Wolverine instead of Ratner is as close to an admission they made a mistake they'll ever get.

And why would they admit anything like that? Technically it is the highest grossing X-Men film, it's pushed the entire trilogy over $1 billion worldwide. They can spin it any way they want with numbers like that.

 

[Theweepeople]

And why would they admit anything like that? Technically it is the highest grossing X-Men film, it's pushed the entire trilogy over $1 billion worldwide. They can spin it any way they want with numbers like that.

They can spin it any way they want but, they still like buffoons for spending 210million while receiving a 235million domestic profit.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

And why would they admit anything like that? Technically it is the highest grossing X-Men film, it's pushed the entire trilogy over $1 billion worldwide. They can spin it any way they want with numbers like that.

Not this position again.

Yes, X3 was the highest grossing, yet it still managed to have the smallest profit and that's all the bean counters care about.

X1 had a budget of 75 million and the domestic box office was 156.
X2 had a budget of 110 million and the domestic box office was 210.
X3 had a budget of 210 million and the domestic box office was 235.

Do the math.

If you had a time machine and could go back and invest in any one of the three films, which one would you choose?

 

[Theweepeople]

Not this position again.

Yes, X3 was the highest grossing, yet it still managed to have the smallest profit and that's all the bean counters care about.

X1 had a budget of 75 million and the domestic box office was 156.
X2 had a budget of 110 million and the domestic box office was 210.
X3 had a budget of 210 million and the domestic box office was 235.

Do the math.

If you had a time machine and could go back and invest in any one of the three films, which one would you choose?

I explained this to Dayonese numerous times and she still doesn't get it.

Profit percentages for X1, X2, and X3:

X1: 105%
X2: 95%
X3: 11.5%

There's no way that any movie corporation CEO could be happy with this profit percentage on a film that cost over 200 million dollars to make. Now I'm sure someone will say that WB is happy with Superman Returns even though it had a higher budget and made less than X3. The SR example is a horrible comparison since WB had already wasted close to a hundred millions dollars on the Superman Lives project. Warner Brothers probably just wanted to break even financially after the past failures to make another Superman film. Instead Superman Returns almost made 400million worldwide and opened the possibility for sequels. X3 underperformed and ruined Fox's opportunity to continue making money off X-Men sequels.

 

[Celestial]

I'm amazed that after all this time, Theweepeople still doesn't get it.

The X3 box office was in line with expectations. Fox knew the budget was huge but with the information available to them they thought it was worth proceeding. However, it was probably a major factor in their decision to make this "the last stand" and to continue the franchise via cheaper spinoffs. This was announced as early as the ShoWest presentation and was not a response to X3's box office performance.

The information made available to us is only a small part of the financial information available to the studio. Their decision-makers have access to projections for all income streams. Of all the 2006 releases, the X3 performance probably had the fewest surprises.

 

[Theweepeople]

I'm amazed that after all this time, Theweepeople still doesn't get it.

The X3 box office was in line with expectations. Fox knew the budget was huge but with the information available to them they thought it was worth proceeding. However, it was probably a major factor in their decision to make this "the last stand" and to continue the franchise via cheaper spinoffs. This was announced as early as the ShoWest presentation and was not a response to X3's box office performance.

The information made available to us is only a small part of the financial information available to the studio. Their decision-makers have access to projections for all income streams. Of all the 2006 releases, the X3 performance probably had the fewest surprises.

Actually, you don't get it. I'm not buying what you just said about Fox saying that X3 was in line with expectations without a source. If you gave me a source then the people running Fox are bigger morons than I thought. As Hugh'sMrs pointed out early the Lion's share of the worldwide gross is collected by the other studios who helped distribute these films to foreign markets. So in reality half of that 460 million that X3 made won't go to 20th century Fox. Fox only gets to take home 25 million dollars since its budget was 210mil and it made 235mil. That's quite embarrassing. Every statistician who analyzes these numbers and makes a few simple calculations will come to the conclusion that X3 was not very profitable. There are many franchises that ended because of unfavorable domestic profit percentages despite having great worldwide grosses. Here is a list of some franchises that either ended abruptly or died with 1 movie:

Lost in space Budget(80mil) worldwide gross(136mil)
Van Helsing Budget(160mil) worldwide gross(300mil)
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Budget(78mil) worldwide gross(179mil)
Godzilla Budget(130mil) worldwide gross(379mil)
Constantine Budget(100mil) worldwide gross(230mil)
Elektra Budget(43mil) worldwide gross(56mil)
Daredevil Budget(78mil) worldwide gross(179mil)
The Hulk Budget(137mil) worldwide gross(245)
Batman and Robin(125mil) worldwide gross(238mil)
Men in black 2 budget(140mil) worldwide gross(441mil)
Spawn Budget(40mil) worldwide gross(87mil)
Star Ship Troopers Budget(105mil) worldwide gross(121mil)
Jurassic Park 3 Budget(93mil) worldwide gross(368mil)
The Punisher Budget(33mil) worldwide gross(54mil)

Furthermore, Fox's decision to try and end the franchise so they can make a Wolverine movie is less favorable for Fox in the long run. Fox is under contract with Marvel to make an X-Men movie or a spinoff within a specific timeframe or the rights go back to Marvel. There's no guarantee that Wolverine will be successful and if it is does Fox seriously think they can make multiple sequels with a character that has had way too much exposure? If Wolverine fails Fox will completely give up on the idea of making other spinoffs(Emma Frost, Magneto, X-kids ). Then what will Fox do? They can't correct all the problems with the X3 storyline in any X-Men sequels without some more cheesy writing. My prediction is that Marvel either gets the rights back in 2012 due to Wolverine underperfoming and Fox not knowing what to do or Fox reboots the franchise right before they loose the rights around 2012.

Here is my source about Fox loosing the rights to Marvel within a certain timeframe.

http://xmenfilms.net/xmfnews/2007/03/08/marvel-film-rights-and-the-x-men/

I have no source for exactly how many years Fox can hold on to the X-Men franchise before loosing it. However, I have chatted with different comic book fans on other websites who've told me that Fox must make an Xfilm or spinoff every 3 to 4 years to hold on to the rights. I've also heard that Fox permanently looses the rights in 2020.

In retrospect, I would like to know why any film corporation would mistreat a franchise that has the potential to generate over 20 films? If James Bond can have over 20 feature length films why can't X-Men(40years of comic book stories)?

 

[Celestial]

Fox distributed the film in most of the major international markets.

I have no industry sources, I'm just relying on common sense. X2 took $407m worlwide and their expectations would have been based on that.

Your model of the movie industry is too simple. I suggest you do some reading - there are some good articles on the net at www.boxofficeprophets.com and www.edwardjayepstein.com. That should be enough to convince you that neither you nor I have a clue when it comes to judging the profitability of a movie. We do not have enough information.

Here's some things we don't know:
- profit participation by the producers, directors and stars
- percentage of theatrical box office retained by the theatres
- income from product placement
- DVD sales income
- TV income
- increase in DVD sales of X1 and X2

However, the Fox executive have access to all kinds of data and projections. Sometumes they get it completely wrong, as with Borat which exceeded expectations and A Good Year which flopped. I still believe that the one Fox movie of 2006 that performed just as expected was X3.