Superman Returns Stories of spreading the news of Superman Returns...

[Milkman95]

I love irony. Bravo!

The issue was simply if Welling was known or not, that's all.

I don't have too many stories to tell. I don't go around promoting the film, but if the subject comes up (I wear a Superman pendant, and sometimes people ask), I'll strike up a conversation. The last one was a few days ago in my local Starbucks, which I hit pretty much every day around lunch time. They were busy at the time, but I came to find out one of the male employees was a fellow Superman fan and was looking forward to seeing the film. His biggest complaint was about the suit. Nuf said there. The other attendant was a woman, and she had No. Idea. there was a Superman film coming out. She overheard our conversation, asked what in blazes we were talking about, we told her, and she - LITERALLY - rolled her eyes. I asked what that was for? Her reply? "Why?" Why what? "Why remake a film that was perfect the way it is?" It's like remaking Star Wars, she said. I was kinda shocked. Totally didn't expect THAT kind of response. She's in her 30's (ish) and not a Superman fan per se, but she mentioned Reeve by name. Yeah, I didn't see that coming either.

Everybody said the same thing about Batman Begins. What? Another Batman film? I don't like the suit, who's Christian Bale, etc, etc. No worries. Like I said, once that jaw dropping trailer is released as well as the marketing campaign launched with the recognizable Williams theme, it will explode more than likely.

My sister in-law's fiancé is a comic reader and knows about SR, but he said he'd wait for the DVD. He's a Batman fan and doesn't care for "the boyscout."

Yeah, I like Batman better as well, but I'm not that ridiculous when it comes to other properties - I see them all, Marvel, DC, or otherwise.

My mom (66 years young) grew up reading comic books. She LOVES Reeve - seen all his films, and LOVES the fact SR is using Brando. She's ecstatic over that, in fact. There is no doubt in my mind she will see SR in the theater at some point, though she waits for films to hit her dollar matinee. Hey, she's a senior citizen and money is tight. Anyhoo... she's very disappointed over one thing. (I must remind folks that she's 66.) She's also a big SV fan. When she saw the SR trailer during Solitude, her only complaint was that it wasn't the "real Superman." Her words, not mine.

Too bad Welling isn't Superman technically. Don't waste your time spitting out all your personal reasons why he's your Superman - it doesn't matter. Facts are facts. It's great your Mom is into SV and the Reeve films - good stuff............

Obviously, if people have never seen SV, they aint gonna know the difference. Some people might even *assume* it's the same actor(s) in the film if they've never seen the show. The only people that it might really matter to are folks who are big fans of the show and have a vested appreciation for the show's actors as much as they do their characters. How tall will that hill of beans actually be come June? Pffft. Damn the hell if I know. I am looking forward to finding out though.

I will add one more thing in passing, even though I know it's a point most fanboys on this and other message boards like to ignore. "Eye candy" is more than just awesome visual effects. Women make up half of the potential audience for any film. Christopher Reeve was a stunningly attractive man, and he is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I saw S:TM in the theater three times when I was a teen. I'm 41 y.o. now, and while I consider myself a Superman fan, Welling is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I continue to watch SV. Y'all didn't think the female demo watched SV for the Krypto freaks and teen angst angle, didjas? Am I generalizing? Yeah. There was at least one woman on the SV boards who watched the show for Schneider. She's gone now though. Big surprise there. LOL

True and pretty shallow at the same time - one of these reasons is why I go to the SV forums - entertainment. To each their own, have fun.

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day.

Wait until AFTER the film is released. I'm sure Brandon will do fine. As far as your Wonder Woman analogy, you went too far, but I get what you're saying, I just don't think it plays that big of a part like you do.......

 

[NateGray]

Why shouldn't it? It went the way of Buffy in it's first two seasons....

Far as I'm concerned, it already has gone the way of SB and L&C

Yeh keep telling yourself that....

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are very funny with your rabid fanboism and totaly devoid of reality don't get out into that real world much huh........

 

[true316]

I said that I didn't see too many, not that there weren't any at all. And I would HOPE there would be a nice fan contingent - both male and female - on his own fansite. Hello?

But I'm not gonna harp on it. Counter arguments are easily made since the film isn't even out yet, and nobody is gonna care what a "biased" SV fan's opinion on BR is anyway - especially a woman's. LOL I'm used to it. S'kay.

Three months and counting.

Don't worry Pat. I don't think your opinions are invalid because you're a woman. The same thing you described happens to my girlfriend when it comes to sports.

If television sitcoms have taught me anything, its that women are usually right and guys are usually idiots.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Any more stories of telling the public about Superman Returns? I didn't want this to turn into how popular Welling is or other such nonsense some people can't stop regurgitating.

 

[DogofKrypton]

For me, I honestly have only received negative responses to SR. At my office, I have shown people I thought might have even the slightest interest pictures of Brandon Routh in costume and as Clark. To say they were not impressed is an understatement. I have actually had quite a few laugh out loud. There were some Christopher Reeve-vibe's that some got, but even they were less than impressed.

My sister has stated she will NOT see the movie under any circumstances. Her son, my nephew, I have turned in to a HUGE Superman fan at the ripe age of 2. When he is not Superman, he is Clark Kent. He hums the Superman theme and can't get enough of the character. Come June, she told me I can take him to see it, but she will not be going even though I told her I wanted to take her and all of her kids. My treat. She feels it is disrespectful to the memory of Christopher Reeve to try to continue on what he started, with someone she feels is far inferior. And she did say it would be different if the (to some on here) infamous Mr. Welling was playing him. And she isn't even a Superman fan.

 

[AgentPat]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL.

He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens.

Next?

...I also found out not all women are swooning over Christian Bale. There was this girl that with my friends when I saw Batman Begins at the IMAX, and she didn't like Bale. She thought Keaton was more handsome...

Well, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, after all. That said, Bale had the most fan sites on the Internet at one time. He was quite the heartthrob starting as far back as his Empire of the Sun days when he was just a kid. It kind of grew from there. He's picked a lot of independent films with extremely varied characters and built up his range, so he's not as "known" as other actors. I think he lost a few roles to DiCaprio. Dumb luck. Regardless, I had the pleasure of talking to Wimmer on several occasions right after EQ unspooled. Kurt couldn't say enough about Bale, both in looks and talent. As a fan, those were nice warm and fuzzy conversations.

Aaaaanyhoo...

Everybody said the same thing about Batman Begins. What? Another Batman film? I don't like the suit, who's Christian Bale, etc, etc. No worries.

Me? Worried? You're kidding, right?

As to similarities with BB, eh. The film made about $205M domestic. Not too shabby for a pic that cost $135M.

Like I said, once that jaw dropping trailer is released as well as the marketing campaign launched with the recognizable Williams theme, it will explode more than likely.

Okay.

Yeah, I like Batman better as well, but I'm not that ridiculous when it comes to other properties - I see them all, Marvel, DC, or otherwise.

No big surprise there. That's why you post on boards like this, right? I mean, no offense or anything, but we're at the extreme of the fandom, wouldn't you agree? We represent a tiny percentage of the overall audience for any comic book film - or TV show.

Too bad Welling isn't Superman technically. Don't waste your time spitting out all your personal reasons why he's your Superman - it doesn't matter. Facts are facts.

No doubt, because posting anything in rebuttal along those lines IS wasting my time here, so I'll take your advice.

It's great your Mom is into SV and the Reeve films - good stuff

You'd like her. She's quite the spit fire when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy films.

True and pretty shallow at the same time - one of these reasons is why I go to the SV forums - entertainment. To each their own, have fun.

Hey, now that you mention it, I forgot to thank you for that awesome .gif you posted there of Lois pushing up her boobs. I imagine it went over well here too.

...I just don't think it plays that big of a part like you do.

What? Physical appearance? Celebrity attractiveness and Hollywood? The entertainment business in general?

Wait! How's that line go? "Hilarious!"

OMG. I think I just cracked a rib.

Don't worry Pat. I don't think your opinions are invalid because you're a woman. The same thing you described happens to my girlfriend when it comes to sports.

Hey! I like sports too!

If television sitcoms have taught me anything, its that women are usually right and guys are usually idiots.

Marry me!

J/K. My husband might have something to say about that.

...She feels it is disrespectful to the memory of Christopher Reeve to try to continue on what he started, with someone she feels is far inferior. And she did say it would be different if the (to some on here) infamous Mr. Welling was playing him. And she isn't even a Superman fan.

Interesting.

 

[Milkman95]

He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens.

Next?

Well, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, after all. That said, Bale had the most fan sites on the Internet at one time. He was quite the heartthrob starting as far back as his Empire of the Sun days when he was just a kid. It kind of grew from there. He's picked a lot of independent films with extremely varied characters and built up his range, so he's not as "known" as other actors. I think he lost a few roles to DiCaprio. Dumb luck. Regardless, I had the pleasure of talking to Wimmer on several occasions right after EQ unspooled. Kurt couldn't say enough about Bale, both in looks and talent. As a fan, those were nice warm and fuzzy conversations.

Aaaaanyhoo...

Me? Worried? You're kidding, right?

As to similarities with BB, eh. The film made about $205M domestic. Not too shabby for a pic that cost $135M.

Okay.

No big surprise there. That's why you post on boards like this, right? I mean, no offense or anything, but we're at the extreme of the fandom, wouldn't you agree? We represent a tiny percentage of the overall audience for any comic book film - or TV show.

No doubt, because posting anything in rebuttal along those lines IS wasting my time here, so I'll take your advice.

You'd like her. She's quite the spit fire when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy films.

Hey, now that you mention it, I forgot to thank you for that awesome .gif you posted there of Lois pushing up her boobs. I imagine it went over well here too.

What? Physical appearance? Celebrity attractiveness and Hollywood? The entertainment business in general?

Wait! How's that line go? "Hilarious!"

OMG. I think I just cracked a rib.

Hey! I like sports too!

Marry me!

J/K. My husband might have something to say about that.

Interesting.

I figured you'd like the Durance one (even though I didn't post it originally), that makes us even with the one you posted a link to of Tom. Yeah, I agree, looks are important in Hollywood, but they're NOT the most important thing, that's all I meant by my comment.

I already know your reasons why TW is your Superman, that's why I said no need to explain it again - I don't care if it's here or at the SV boards.

Interesting? More like laughable.

 

[AgentPat]

I figured you'd like the Durance one (even though I didn't post it originally), that makes us even with the one you posted a link to of Tom.

I didn't know it was a contest.

Yeah, I agree, looks are important in Hollywood, but they're NOT the most important thing, that's all I meant by my comment.

I'm starting to feel like Tony now. LOL How did you get "looks are the most important thing" out of my post up there? Just wondering.

I already know your reasons why TW is your Superman, that's why I said no need to explain it again - I don't care if it's here or at the SV boards.

You make a lot of assumptions. FYI, I had no intention of going off into TW la la land in this forum.

A. There's a better place for that, and I know where that is.
B. It's completely off topic for this thread.
C. There's plenty of other people that bring up TW here. They don't need me to add opinions I've already stated countless times.

Interesting? More like laughable.

You're entitled to your opinion. But it's one less butt in a seat for a reason I've heard stated more than once, and not just on an Internet message board. I don't think Warners would find it laughable, but what do I know?

 

[DogofKrypton]

Interesting? More like laughable.

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

 

[Milkman95]

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

Quite a lot of things? Ignorant? Should have known the name calling would start. Now that's childish............

Hey, if I think your sister's opinion is laughable, that doesn't mean it's automatically childish or ignorant. I think it's childish to have such a closed mind and assume that the film is going to stomp all over Christopher Reeve's grave.

I take the film as a tribute, not an insult to what Chris accomplished with the character.

 

[DogofKrypton]

Quite a lot of things? Ignorant? Should have known the name calling would start. Now that's childish............

Hey, if I think your sister's opinion is laughable, that doesn't mean it's automatically childish or ignorant. I think it's childish to have such a closed mind and assume that the film is going to stomp all over Christopher Reeve's grave.

I take the film as a tribute, not an insult to what Chris accomplished with the character.

Threw up the shields pretty quick there, hey kid?

Let me educate you on something: Saying someone's opinion is "laughable" because your opinion is different IS ignorant.

Say you don't agree with it, and I wouldn't mind. When you take shots at my family, I will not sit by and let it go.

 

[Milkman95]

Threw up the shields pretty quick there, hey kid?

Let me educate you on something: Saying someone's opinion is "laughable" because your opinion is different IS ignorant.

Say you don't agree with it, and I wouldn't mind. When you take shots at my family, I will not sit by and let it go.

Nah, no shields - I'm very easy going and fun most of the time, no need to put them up until I get insulted personally, which you ended up doing.

As far as laughable is concerned, sure, I should have worded it better, and for that, I apologize. How about I don't agree with it and I find it close-minded, which means she's making up her mind before she see's a single frame of the film.............

 

[Milkman95]

I didn't know it was a contest.

It's not, just having fun is all. Ever heard of it?

I'm starting to feel like Tony now. LOL How did you get "looks are the most important thing" out of my post up there? Just wondering.

From several of your comments, not just this recent one.

You make a lot of assumptions. FYI, I had no intention of going off into TW la la land in this forum.

A. There's a better place for that, and I know where that is.
B. It's completely off topic for this thread.
C. There's plenty of other people that bring up TW here. They don't need me to add opinions I've already stated countless times.

Agreed.

You're entitled to your opinion. But it's one less butt in a seat for a reason I've heard stated more than once, and not just on an Internet message board. I don't think Warners would find it laughable, but what do I know?

Well, the general public makes up the largest audience, correct? It's all up to them whether or not the film is successful or not.........

 

[AgentPat]

It's not, just having fun is all. Ever heard of it?

Ah! Well throw in a winky next time.

From several of your comments, not just this recent one.

Hmm. Well, let me clear up the confusion. IMHO, appearance isn't the most important thing, but it can make a difference, especially in a summer popcorn film. (Note: that's not a slam.)

Well, the general public makes up the largest audience, correct? It's all up to them whether or not the film is successful or not.........

Bingo. That's why I find comments from the general public interesting. In the example above, we were told a story of somebody who has already made up her mind to not see SR (for whatever reason), but further suggested a situation where her opinion might be different given an alternate scenario. Yeah. Indeed. I found it interesting. YMMV.

Anyway, I'm procrastinating my work out, and the night's not getting any younger. I'm down the road. Always a pleasure Milkman.

 

[Sverdlovski]

He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens.

Damn, another one.

 

[The Sage]

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

Your sister's opinion is interesting, and I won't trash it or anything. What I find fascinating is that she thinks this movie is a show of disrespect to Reeve's movies because of its links to it. Thing is, Richard Donner, godfather of superhero movies, director of Superman the Movie and the man who cast Reeve as Superman, approved of the decision and gave the crew his blessing.

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

Damn, another one.

That's Wellingnite's for you

 

[skruloos]

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.

And Reeve's wife giving it the nod really doesn't make it seem disrespectful at all. But to each his own.

 

[Sverdlovski]

That's Wellingnite's for you

No, I'm talking about another woman that says Daniel Craig is not bad looking...

 

[Sverdlovski]

And Reeve's wife giving it the nod really doesn't make it seem disrespectful at all. But to each his own.

And his mother.

 

[explode7]

Did anyone besides me saw the SR feature on Starz The Hollywood Reporter last night? They also showed the Sho West thing as well.

 

[DogofKrypton]

Your sister's opinion is interesting, and I won't trash it or anything. What I find fascinating is that she thinks this movie is a show of disrespect to Reeve's movies because of its links to it. Thing is, Richard Donner, godfather of superhero movies, director of Superman the Movie and the man who cast Reeve as Superman, approved of the decision and gave the crew his blessing.

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.

Milkman, feel she is close-minded if you want. Here's the thing: She's entitled to her opinion JUST AS MUCH AS YOU ARE.

And I will repeat what I said earlier for all the posts that have followed: This thread is for people to post their stories of spreading the word about SR, NOT to have said stories justified or ridiculed by you who have not posted your own. Anything else should be considered trolling, and rightfully so.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

And his mother.

Wife, too.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Wife, too.

Skruloos already said that...

 

[skruloos]

Wife, too.

Did someone hear an echo?