Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 18

[OutOfBoose]

lol they would've made him sign at least a 3 picture deal. Which means no more negotiations.

Maybe he's dead by the end of the film.

 

[Lucellit]

I have always thought that there was NO way for anyone to top Ledger's Joker, but now, I'm not so sure... Leto is looking more and more promising. I just LOVE what I have seen so far and it looks like he is going to have a good amount of screen time. I definitely think we are going to have some serious Leto fans after this movie comes out.

Ledger's Joker was amazing, wasn't he?
Legendary performance, people will remember him for a very long time.

It's always fine to doubt about an actor no matter how talented s/he is because we can't predict the future. Particularly if the previous actor is memorable like Ledger.

A bit rambling:

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But people who are very extreme and aren't give any chance or judge solely on superficial aspects exist. I found them to be very vocal, mainly about movies that are adaptation works like CBM.

Understandable, comic books and CBM are parts of many people's life and many held them close to their heart and feel protective about it. But negativity after negativity, especially unproven ones are way overwhelming and not good for CBM development itself.

I have a good feeling about Leto's Joker. I enjoy his delivery so far, the way he move and his voice. He is talented chap, I hope he will deliver big time and people will appreciate him. I support him, cast and Ayer and I think most of us want SS to be good and really eager to see it.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think Zack's biggest problem is that he's in his own head too much when he sets these scenes up. He might be a little myopic and miss something needed to make the audience see what he sees the scene revealing. Because not everyone is on the same page as he is, he leaves it a little ambiguous. It's like he hears a character's internal dialogue when he's watching the scene back but we're not getting that. You have to find a way to get that across to the audience.

I'm going to wait for the extended version and see if it fills in the gaps before I criticize too much. The studio may have had him cut it for time and then it falls on them. I'm sure the fans will make a cut and see if they can do a better editing job.

Nah. After watching several Snyder films, the same problem is in all of them.

It reminds me of what DC/Marvel editors used to say about artist portfolios for comics. If all they had were really great pin-up action scenes they were immediately dismissed. 90% of comics is talking heads and if you can't make that interesting, they have no need for you. You're not a strong enough storyteller.

The reason people love Snyder's imagery and short sequences(Birth of Dr. Manhattan, Batman fight, Watchmen opening credits) is because he's good in conveying information in small burst but stringing together information in subtle ways across a two-hour movie is a problem for him. That's why he turns into such a huge sledgehammer with information or characterizations are all over the place.

Or the information came from the original source material he's aping.

 

[matt47]

Maybe he's dead by the end of the film.

Yeah. Then the playing cards on his casket thrown by Harley start rising.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I still hoped to see sweat, blood and semen, that Leto mentioned, but it was still an OSOM trailer.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah. Then the playing cards on his casket thrown by Harley start rising.

Seriously speaking, I'm convinced either Letoker vanishes with ending opened for interpretation, or they lock him up finally till the next film.

 

[Samurai_Adam]

I absolutely loved Batman v Superman, but judging from the trailers, I might end up enjoying Suicide Squad just a tad more.

Hurry up, August!

 

[matt47]

Seriously speaking, I'm convinced either Letoker vanishes with ending opened for interpretation, or they lock him up finally till the next film.

Hmmm I haven't even thought about what will happen with him at the end of this film. Let me ponder.

 

[Aquafinn90]

I absolutely loved Batman v Superman, but judging from the trailers, I might end up enjoying Suicide Squad just a tad more.

Hurry up, August!

I feel very much the same. Thought BVS was a complete masterpiece. But if I like SS better ill have to amend my rating slightly

 

[Jim-H]

I feel very much the same. Thought BVS was a complete masterpiece. But if I like SS better ill have to amend my rating slightly

Hahah, come on now. t:

 

[Aquafinn90]

Hahah, come on now. t:

I'm sorry but what's funny?

 

[vanson]

I wouldnt go so far calling it a masterpiece.. but I really enjoyed it.

But this looks pretty darn cool. Leto's Joker especially.

 

[Mikelus]

Good on Ayer. I love a bunch of Snyder's work but Ayer is a different kind and better director all around. I understand the apprehension from many but Ayer has a damn good track record.

He didn't **** up this one. That is all.

I agree that probably the movie will be good, but lets keep expectations in check just in case.

No they don't. If levity doesn't fit in the story being told then it doesn't belong in the film. The story being told in BvS wasn't a light story and levity didn't belong in it.

Considering what all happened in the film and the emotional place that Bruce and Kal were in it would have seemed out of character and out of place if they were were wise cracking, quipping, or goofing off. There were some chuckle inducing lines from Alfred but aside from that the film didn't warrant levity.

Exactly, but some prefer forced juvenile humour because... it's "fun"!!

The best humour is organic, like Alfred with Bruce or Perry at the DP.

And some people should stop being so gullible and start thinking by themselves, critics are known to change their minds, logical, opinions are subjective:

10 Classic Movies That Critics Hated: http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-classic-movies-that-critics-hated-dbell.php

12 Great Movies The Critics Got Dead Wrong: http://flavorwire.com/272219/12-great-movies-the-critics-got-dead-wrong?all=1

15 Movies the Critics Got Wrong: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/15-movies-the-critics-got-wrong

Great Movies that Got Rotten Reviews: http://www.rd.com/slideshows/great-movies-that-got-rotten-reviews/

The Empire Strikes Back initially received mixed reviews, many had problems with the story, but at the same time said the film was a technical achievement.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back

 

[Deserana]

I've not followed this anywhere near as much as BvS but

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wasn't Lex rumoured to be in this

 

[Cats]

it sounds like WB/DC may have finally learnt their lesson.

There is no lesson to be learnt. SS started filming waaay before anyone knew what to think of BvS. Nothing's changed.

But it clearly IS Marvel influenced....
I'm a Marvel guy

Oh yeah... and that's not bias.

 

[Lucellit]

I've not followed this anywhere near as much as BvS but

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wasn't Lex rumoured to be in this

Me too, but excited regardless.

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Whoa, I never hear that before. I'll love it if it's true. I might be in minority, but I really like Eisenlex.

 

[Cats]

I think James Wan's Aquaman will have a tone similar to Suicide Squad which is humorous.

Don't bet on it. Aquaman has pretty much not been taken seriously for years, and James Wan has been trying hard to move away from that image. It'll be good if he can juggle bada**ery with humor, but I don't believe it's going to be as lighthearted as SS is going to be. The Flash movie, however, has a better chance of going that route.

 

[terry78]

The New 52 had to ramp up why Arthur is such a formidable character. And he's honestly more than a match for both Supes and WW if you go by that.

 

[matt47]

Well....Jesse had short hair at the MTV movie awards...and they were just doing reshoots...maybe they (for some reason) liked what Jesse did and wanted to give him a part?

 

[Lucellit]

Don't bet on it. Aquaman has pretty much not been taken seriously for years, and James Wan has been trying hard to move away from that image. It'll be good if he can juggle bada**ery with humor, but I don't believe it's going to be as lighthearted as SS is going to be. The Flash movie, however, has a better chance of going that route.

It might be cheesy and won't happen, but I'll merrily laugh in a good way if Wan manage to make Aquamoa to be a super-badass underwater king and awesome in every scene, in every fight until trapped in a very tight situation in which he could only let himself out by talking to fish.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Don't bet on it. Aquaman has pretty much not been taken seriously for years, and James Wan has been trying hard to move away from that image. It'll be good if he can juggle bada**ery with humor, but I don't believe it's going to be as lighthearted as SS is going to be. The Flash movie, however, has a better chance of going that route.

I don't believe one bit SS is gonna be light-hearted. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be quite dark film, dramatic and tragic in places, which doesn't exclude black comedy and jokes.

But Aquaman will be more a mystery-adventure, I think.

 

[Cats]

in which he could only let himself out by talking to fish.

Like this I suppose, but little-mermaid-style t:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

But it clearly IS Marvel Die Hard influenced.

Corrected.

 

[mohoo]

Don't bet on it. Aquaman has pretty much not been taken seriously for years, and James Wan has been trying hard to move away from that image. It'll be good if he can juggle bada**ery with humor, but I don't believe it's going to be as lighthearted as SS is going to be. The Flash movie, however, has a better chance of going that route.

I agree.

In this universe I think very few films can pull this off, not like a film about a group of weird villians and clowns.

The closest thing _as you said_ could be the flash.

Well, they can try, but I'm not sure that I'll like it.

 

[Lucellit]

Like this I suppose, but little-mermaid-style t:

I totally can see that.
If somehow it'll happen, just make the most intense and badass 'talking to a fish' scene ever with epic cinematography (if that's possible).