Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[WitchTrialz]

Joker was removed from the final battle? Is that the scene were we see him with half his face burned and he's about to toss a grenade from the trailer?

My guess is that scene explains

Spoiler

how he survived the helicopter crash

I don't know why they cut it

 

[Guts]

Joker was removed from the final battle? Is that the scene were we see him with half his face burned and he's about to toss a grenade from the trailer?

Yep.

Also this shot of Katana taking in a soul into the sword was also cut. I guess Joker and some of his men make it to the train station and they have a short fight with the Squad and the list of deleted scenes said that Joker was more abusive to Harley in the flashbacks and before he escapes the fight he offers Harley to come with him and she refuses.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Yep.

Also this shot of Katana taking in a soul into the sword was also cut. I guess Joker and some of his men make it to the train station and they have a short fight with the Squad and the list of deleted scenes said that Joker was more abusive to Harley in the flashbacks and before he escapes the fight he offers Harley to come with him and she refuses.

Ugh. Their might be a good version of this movie in an edit bay somewhere at Warner Bros.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Yep.

Also this shot of Katana taking in a soul into the sword was also cut. I guess Joker and some of his men make it to the train station and they have a short fight with the Squad and the list of deleted scenes said that Joker was more abusive to Harley in the flashbacks and before he escapes the fight he offers Harley to come with him and she refuses.

That's a real shame, I would have really liked those scenes.

Another thing I was left craving from that bar scene was a discussion between Harley and deadshot about batman. Hell get croc in on that discussion too. I would love to hear these villains talk about what batman means to them like in the animated series.

And also, what was all that talk about batman being SO scary? He's barely in it to make an impression.

 

[daddydivine]

I have to admit that I enjoyed this more than BvS. It was a great way to establish a larger Batverse and it felt organic not forced like BvS. It was great to see characters with some personality without all the brooding and introspection. It was nice to see Batman be heroic and show empathy.

I can't agree with the critics on this one though I felt it was a solid film. The only other movie I disagree with RT score is the Legend of Tarzan.

 

[Greens]

I'm pretty far into the novelization. So far:

- An entirely different first act. Way more June Moone, linear storytelling, no Flash cameo, LONG Joker/Harley scenes, more Flag/Moone interaction.

- No bomb in the subway, less interactions between Enchantress and brochantress. GQ (Eastwood) has more of a personality.

- Way more interactions between squad members in the second act. Especially Boomerang. The EAs (eye people) feel like more of a threat.

 

[kguillou]

I know this is beating a dead horse but do you guys think there's any chance we get to see an alternative cut despite Ayer proclaiming this was "his cut?" I mean, that would be a good incentive to get people to buy the Blu Ray.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Makes you wonder who was in charge of Suicide Squad. I mean who in there right mind would CUT the Joker out of the movie??? 1. He is by far the BIGGEST character in the movie. 2. He is played by a well known Academy Award winning actor.

Then again WB/DC did think it was a good idea to cut out Superman/Clark Kent from BvS....

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Just out of it, it was decent better than bvs. Was it amazing hell no it has some major faults but overall it wasn't too bad.harley dead shot and Waller were great, Letos jokers needs some major work though he just seemed off.

I do think there is a better well paced version in a directors cut over all I'd say 6.5/10



But I do think a hell of the lot of critics are going overboard in claiming it to be an abomination and who ever said fan4tisic was better I think was rolling stone needs his head removed from his ass


The Dceu really really needs more work and still hasn't got off the ground but I need to think about this film some more

 

[Rocketman]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

 

[Boom]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

Whatever you say, Rocketman.

 

[Greens]

Rocketman really is from another planet.

 

[BatsDC]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

So what you're saying is, nobody actually dislikes this movie? It's all an act? I've been influenced by the critics!?!

...my god.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

You're really over simplifying the reviews. Not every critic goes in to a film with an agenda that in the very very small minority.

I can not say the film is perfect or horrible but it does have some major problems and so good elements and that's what the majority of critics are picking up on

 

[Filmfan93]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Predator jp]

2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater.

i don't know, when majority of the reviews are negatives, is it smart move to write yet another negative review just to get more views and clicks?

 

[WitchTrialz]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

I think that's true for some people but just be careful throwing that accusation around, could be considered offensive.


Critics are ABSOLUTELY off base here. After seeing it there's no doubt in my mind that some of them have an ulterior motive. I don't know what thier angle is but I saw A motive with Ghostbusters as well. It should have gotten average to mediocre reviews but instead it was propped up as some kind of feminism piece.

Tarzan too, what was this garbage about him being a "great white savior"?

Something is going on in the reviewer business and I don't like it

 

[The Batman]

I'm glad to be on Rocketman's ignore list. I truly am.

 

[Boom]

I could just as easily lump all the supporters together as a group of people who 1) only like the movie to willfully stick the finger to the critics and 2) are blindly loyal to DC and are frankly determined to love whatever they dish out despite any glaring issues.

But I won't do that, because I actually respect the opinions of my fellow members. You should try it.

 

[kguillou]

I mean, there's no denying that the movie does have technical issues wrong with it. I think there's a lot of critics who honed in on that aspect and it bothered them...a lot. Many of us here who enjoyed he movie have said " the movie has technical problems....but it was still a fun ride and the characters were great." This seems to be the wide consensus.

There's definitely extremely hyperbolic reviews out there, claiming this is worse than Fantastic Four, or the worst movie of the year, or as the Wall Street Journal puts it “…an all-out attack on the whole idea of entertainment,” Those guys need to chill out. But a lot of the level headed, well articulated negative reviews are fair and have valid points.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

"I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because some people out there don't have maps..."

 

[The Batman]

Painting with that broad a bunch is simply illogical.

 

[WitchTrialz]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

I think that's true for some people but just be careful throwing that accusation around, could be considered offensive.


Critics are ABSOLUTELY off base here. After seeing it there's no doubt in my mind that some of them have an ulterior motive. I don't know what thier angle is but I saw this same motive with Ghostbusters. It should have gotten average to mediocre reviews but instead it was propped up as some kind of feminism piece.

Tarzan too, what was this garbage him being a "great white savior"?

Something is going on in the reviewer business and I don't like it

 

[The Joker]

I honestly, truly believe that the people who hate this movie only hate it because the critics told them to. If the reviews were good and the film was exactly the same, people in this thread would be raving about how great it was. Critics have way too much influence on people who can't form their own opinions. It's sad. The critics, I feel, are hating it for a couple of reasons, 1) They're out of touch with comic books, and 2) They're trying to be edgy. The guy who writes the scathing review on the summer's biggest movie will get more views and clicks and reads; there's an attention-seeking aspect to being a hater. There's no "conspiracy" or "bias", it's just people who either have no clue what they're talking about, or they're being internet trolls.

 

[harlequinade]

Makes you wonder who was in charge of Suicide Squad. I mean who in there right mind would CUT the Joker out of the movie??? 1. He is by far the BIGGEST character in the movie. 2. He is played by a well known Academy Award winning actor.

Then again WB/DC did think it was a good idea to cut out Superman/Clark Kent from BvS....

You guys think we will see some repercussions to horrible decision making process over at WB this week?

I think that's true for some people but just be careful throwing that accusation around, could be considered offensive.


Critics are ABSOLUTELY off base here. After seeing it there's no doubt in my mind that some of them have an ulterior motive. I don't know what thier angle is but I saw A motive with Ghostbusters as well. It should have gotten average to mediocre reviews but instead it was propped up as some kind of feminism piece.

Tarzan too, what was this garbage about him being a "great white savior"?

Something is going on in the reviewer business and I don't like it

Critics have truly done the one thing Kirk Lazarus told people not to do this year. The reviews are ridiculous, this movie made the audience laugh, performances were great and in no way was that worse than Age of Ultron or Thor 2 imho. Critics just have this sheep mentality these days. Marvel makes good movies so they get a pass because their stuff is popular to love and they praise them more than they deserve. Meanwhile while DC screws up and I think it's them who should be blamed and criticized, they get much worse reviews than the movies deserved. Robbie's performance alone makes RT score of Squad look stupid