Summer 2011 box office predictions - Part 2

[BMM]

Eh....I just don't see it. Cap to me was very uneven and while entertaining, was a bit too skimming the surface. Again, I don't expect us to be discussing it in ten years the way we do Raimi's film.

Agreed. I like Captain America, but that is by far my biggest criticism of the film.

 

[marvelman2006]

I just feel like they played it too safe with cap. Im seeing it again tonight with my brother to give it a second opinion but maybe some of my criticisms with the film will be rectified. I just wish they would have went the watchmen/xmen route and really play with some historic WWII battles and show some nazis gettng there butts kicked. Or maybe set the story to where cap gets his powers right towards the end of the war and have his first mission be getting to hitler then after hitler is dead then it would make more sense for red skull to have his story and army.

I remember last week sitting in the screening and seeing red skull's army salute him and thought to myself "I guess there arent any nazis left to fight for hitler".

 

[marvelman2006]

Edit: double post

 

[Iron_Stark]

I just feel like they played it too safe with cap. Im seeing it again tonight with my brother to give it a second opinion but maybe some of my criticisms with the film will be rectified. I just wish they would have went the watchmen/xmen route and really play with some historic WWII battles and show some nazis gettng there butts kicked. Or maybe set the story to where cap gets his powers right towards the end of the war and have his first mission be getting to hitler then after hitler is dead then it would make more sense for red skull to have his story and army.

I remember last week sitting in the screening and seeing red skull's army salute him and thought to myself "I guess there arent any nazis left to fight for hitler".

Thank God you don't make movies.

 

[marvelman2006]

Thank God you don't make movies.

Then make red skull a full on nazi. Most people dont follow captain america and they should have showed him fighting nazi's and not some make believe army. You dont have cap fight in world war 2 and not show him fight nazi's or not even mention hitler outside of tommy lee jones line. There is no way in hell during that time period Hitler would allow anyone under his command to amass a greater army then him and even to some extent have a greater following its just wouldnt happen.

 

[danoyse]

Thank God you don't make movies.

Take the attitude down a notch, please.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Then make red skull a full on nazi. Most people dont follow captain america and they should have showed him fighting nazi's and not some make believe army. You dont have cap fight in world war 2 and not show him fight nazi's or not even mention hitler outside of tommy lee jones line. There is no way in hell during that time period Hitler would allow anyone under his command to amass a greater army then him and even to some extent have a greater following its just wouldnt happen.

There were plenty of references to Hitler. It is implied in the film that the regular army can whip Hitler just fine (which they could as we can see in real life), it was the supernatural Hydra tech that they needed the supersoldiers to fight. The whole project was to fight Hydra from the beginning, and once they went rogue Hitler's role diminished. By the time Red Skull gets defeated Hitler is already dead or close to it, considering VE Day occurs right after.

 

[rogue trooper]

There were plenty of references to Hitler. It is implied in the film that the regular army can whip Hitler just fine (which they could as we can see in real life), it was the supernatural Hydra tech that they needed the supersoldiers to fight. The whole project was to fight Hydra from the beginning, and once they went rogue Hitler's role diminished. By the time Red Skull gets defeated Hitler is already dead or close to it, considering VE Day occurs right after.

Exactly.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Take the attitude down a notch, please.

Lol, yes ma'am. I wasn't getting an attitude, I actually got a chuckle from that post.


Marvelman2006, Skull was a full on Nazi until he really got power hungry and became a "super Nazi".

The rest, what Kahran Ramsus said.

 

[rashad]

HP8 TUE: $6.5M/$286.5M domestic; $17.9M/$595.5M intl. $882M global. Will break $600M intl & $900M global today.
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[Marvin]

looks like potter is still doing well, it's actually going for ROTK's spot.

 

[Liam_H]

^Indeed, this movie looks to become third biggest Worldwide. Until probably Avatar sequels are released.

 

[terry78]

There were plenty of references to Hitler. It is implied in the film that the regular army can whip Hitler just fine (which they could as we can see in real life), it was the supernatural Hydra tech that they needed the supersoldiers to fight. The whole project was to fight Hydra from the beginning, and once they went rogue Hitler's role diminished. By the time Red Skull gets defeated Hitler is already dead or close to it, considering VE Day occurs right after.

Also it was established that Hitler's whole reich was gonna be ****ed up alongside everyone else if Red Skull had his way. Hitler wasn't even the real threat by that point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Eh....I just don't see it. Cap to me was very uneven and while entertaining, was a bit too skimming the surface. Again, I don't expect us to be discussing it in ten years the way we do Raimi's film.

Raimi's Spider-Man is arguably the film that started the modern comic book film genre, so yes it will always be discussed. It was a very important movie, but that doesn't necessarily make it a better movie than say Captain America. That just makes it more impactful historically. As a film itself, I feel it is more flawed. Like I said, I'm a Spider-Man fan. I am one of Raimi's biggests supporters on this site! Everyone knows this, so this is not Cap bias.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Loki had way more depth than GG or REd Skull. But his cinematic characterization, while well acted and engaging during the film, is not very memorable. The scorned younger brother looking to prove himself as better than his brother through conniving to hide his own impotence and self-doubt. It all sounds very Shakespearian and that probably is because it is with Claudius from Hamlet. But the movie Loki is not Claudius or even Scar from Lion King. He was a good villain for that movie, but I saw the movie in May and his character is already becoming blurry to me.

As for Red Skull, to each their own. Hugo Weaving has played amazing villains before (Agent Smith), as well as anti-heroes (V). I thought Red Skull was a fun throwback to generic movie villains, much like Dafoe's hamming as GG. But Dafoe anchored it with real and meaningful relationships developed between him and Harry, as well as him and Peter. But I see your point. I do think GG is a more memorable villain than either of them, but that may simply be because he is based on a stronger character. Ironically, I'd say Loki is the best acted and most richly developed, but the slightest in memorable impact.

So you're saying Loki isn't memorable because his ambitions aren't original? Really? But what makes GG more original?

and he's not Claudius or Scar because he's not the type to kill. He's more like Iago (before you get start saying he's not Iago, well, he isn't.). He's the type who wil deceive.

And with Red Skull, he's not supposed to be sympathetic, so I'm hesitant to compare him to other villains because he's more in line with villains like GG and Iron Monger.

I find Loki a much better villain the GG. The real comparison is Loki and Doc Ock to me, but to each their own.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Oh, and Loki is in no way, a forgettable villain.

And I'll give you GG being a better and more developed character than Red Skull.

 

[CelticPredator]

I still wish Red Skull was a real Nazi. I always liked the image of Red standing with a cigar, and a big ol Swastika behind him.

 

[:eek:]

looks like potter is still doing well, it's actually going for ROTK's spot.

Maybe, but ROTK is still far more impressive considering it was released in 2003 and wasn't helped by 3D and IMAX

 

[DACrowe]

So you're saying Loki isn't memorable because his ambitions aren't original? Really? But what makes GG more original?

and he's not Claudius or Scar because he's not the type to kill. He's more like Iago (before you get start saying he's not Iago, well, he isn't.). He's the type who wil deceive.

I'd say Claudius and Scar were pretty deceptive. And Iago was pretty much pure evil, Loki has motives.

I just think while well acted and well written, Loki just doesn't stand out as a memorable villain. I think audiences left SM with a clear memory of who GG is. Loki just does not stand out the way say The Joker or Magneto or Doc Ock or even Ra's Al Ghul do in other films.

And with Red Skull, he's not supposed to be sympathetic, so I'm hesitant to compare him to other villains because he's more in line with villains like GG and Iron Monger.

He is, though I liked GG and Iron Monger better. The latter was entirely because of Jeff Bridges being awesome though, I will admit.

I find Loki a much better villain the GG. The real comparison is Loki and Doc Ock to me, but to each their own.

That's fine. I don't. He was a better written villain, but Green Goblin was just a much more fun villain to watch and stays with you longer. Even if the costume sucked in that movie.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Raimi's Spider-Man is arguably the film that started the modern comic book film genre, so yes it will always be discussed. It was a very important movie, but that doesn't necessarily make it a better movie than say Captain America. That just makes it more impactful historically. As a film itself, I feel it is more flawed. Like I said, I'm a Spider-Man fan. I am one of Raimi's biggests supporters on this site! Everyone knows this, so this is not Cap bias.

LOL. t:

Anyways, Transformers: Dark of the Moon is ahead of the latest Harry Potter movie at the box office from a worldwide stand point and marginally.

 

[BMM]

Green Goblin is more memorable than Loki, if simply by virtue of being first and belonging to an absolute blockbuster that helped kick-start the modern comic book film genre. Plus, I think Dafoe's performance is more memorable, if not better in general. Hiddleston's performance is too subtle by comparison, as it probably should be for someone as scheming as Loki. Also...

LOL. t:

Anyways, Transformers: Dark of the Moon is ahead of the latest Harry Potter movie at the box office from a worldwide stand point and marginally.

Yes, Raimi's Spider-Man is arguably the film that started the modern comic book genre. Blade and X-Men helped, but when a film rakes in $800+ million, as opposed to $200 million or $130 million, studios tend to take notice.

 

[Liam_H]

Green Goblin is more memorable than Loki, if simply by virtue of being first and belonging to an absolute blockbuster that helped kick-start the modern comic book film genre. Plus, I think Dafoe's performance is more memorable, if not better in general. Hiddleston's performance is too subtle by comparison, as it probably should be for someone as scheming as Loki.

Hiddleston had the right balance playing Loki. Yes he is suppose to be scheming but to me the point is you never knew exactly what his motive was until the end. He had some evil plan underneath but on the surface he didn't want to give it away.

 

[04nbod]

Yes, Raimi's Spider-Man is arguably the film that started the modern comic book genre. Blade and X-Men helped, but when a film rakes in $800+ million, as opposed to $200 million or $130 million, studios tend to take notice.

Spider-Man would never have been made if X Men wasn't a success. Its green light was a direct reaction to X Men. Hence X Men is the film credited with the Super-hero resurgence. Blade is a little different in that he wasn't an obvious spandexed super-hero.

 

[Spider-Fan]

LOL.

Anyways, Transformers: Dark of the Moon is ahead of the latest Harry Potter movie at the box office from a worldwide stand point and marginally.

Cool story bro.



What, I thought we were posting random smilies?

 

[BMM]

Spider-Man would never have been made if X Men wasn't a success. Its green light was a direct reaction to X Men. Hence X Men is the film credited with the Super-hero resurgence. Blade is a little different in that he wasn't an obvious spandexed super-hero.

Raimi was attached to direct Spider-Man in January of 2000, 6 months before X-Men was released, and Tobey Maguire was auditioning in July of 2000. To say that Spider-Man would never have been made and that its a direct result of X-Men's success seems a bit far fetched.