SUPER VILLAIN into SUPERHERO

[MARVELDC]

If you worked for DC Comics and were told that you could turn a Super Villain into a Superhero,

1. Who would you choose?
2. What would be the circumstances that would turn this Super Villain into a Superhero?
3. Would the other Superheroes accept the reformed Super Villain?
4. Would the general public accept the reformed Super Villain?
5. Would he or she get a secret identity?

 

[Oddzball]

Luthor.

1) just to screw up that "The Universe says Luthor must always oppose Superman." Crap from Infinite Crisis.

2) DC has come close to going the face switch route with LL a couple of times. In that mini-series he got, he saved his building at the risk of his life, and during Our World at War, as President of the US, he was heading towards the idea that he NEEDED Superman and the JLA etc.

 

[Aristotle]

Luthor.

1) just to screw up that "The Universe says Luthor must always oppose Superman." Crap from Infinite Crisis.

2) DC has come close to going the face switch route with LL a couple of times. In that mini-series he got, he saved his building at the risk of his life, and during Our World at War, as President of the US, he was heading towards the idea that he NEEDED Superman and the JLA etc.

1) That idea is as old as the original Crime Syndicate of America stories, dude. It's run from there all the way through Crisis on Infinite Earths, through Grant Morrison's Earth-2, to eventually, Infinite Crisis and beyond. Ah, comics illiteracy.
2) No. That's not even close to switching him to a hero since that's always been his post-Crisis motivation. Lex Luthor believes that he is a hero who is doing the right thing by humanity, saving them from superheroes and giving them to themselves.

 

[November Rain]

slade wilson

mr freeze

 

[Keyser Soze]

Dr. Light. Reinvent him as a Shaft-like ladies' man.

 

[cerealkiller182]

1. Clayface by creating a new hero identity with similar powers
2. Cuts a deal to drop criminal charges
3. At first but when they figure out its Clayface they keep a close watch
4. Yes, because he just creates a new identity
5. He'd probably have a couple


Im actually kinda liking this idea

 

[The Question]

1. Who would you choose?:
The Joker

2. What would be the circumstances that would turn this Super Villain into a Superhero?:
After killing Batman, The Joker starts to lose interest in the life of the supervillain, so he crafts a new, heroic persona to fill the void left by Batman and move on to newer and bigger things. I mean, after all, he's been playing villainous roles for almost 15 years. An performer has to branch out, and that's how The Joker sees his life: a performance. He becomes a light hearted, wise cracking hero who gives any cheesy, silver age do-gooder a run for their money and is chock full of corny one liners, heartfelt speeches, and lots and lots of quips.

3. Would the other Superheroes accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, most would either find him annoying or think him a very brave, kind man who's good to have around. Of course, once they figure out who he really is, they freak the ****ing out because he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as **** holy ****ing ****. Then they'd probably try to send him back to Arkham, because, let's face it: He's The Joker. He's crazy as ****. Holy ****ing ****. Only reason he's suddenly turned good is because of how ****ing crazy he is.

4. Would the general public accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, he's be a welcome relief in Gotham City. A public figure doing good in a way that's a bit more accessable than The Batman, even if The Batman got more actual crime fighting done. He'd do a lot more charity work and organizing of neighborhood watches than actual skull bashing, although there'd be a bit of that too, and his cheesy, old school personality would endear him to a lot of people. He'd become Gotham's Joshua Norton: Kind of eccentric guy who's pretty smart and does good things people like and listen to. But if his true identity were revealed to the public, which it probably would be...holy ****ing **** he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as ****.

5. Would he or she get a secret identity?
As I already mentioned, yes. He'd have a cheesy, old school 50s super hero/adventurer persona.

 

[fifthfiend]

Dr. Light. Reinvent him as a Shaft-like ladies' man.

Keep the rape in-continuity. Make it part of his "charm".

 

[The Question]

Keep the rape in-continuity. Make it part of his "charm".

Also, his motto should be "It isn't rape if you yell surprise. Then it's just surprise sex."

 

[fifthfiend]

I kind of see him as being more "but I never yell surprise, cause hey... then it wouldn't be rape."

He could go up to a girl and be like "I guess you'd better sleep with me... or else I just might have to rape you! Heh heh." And she'd be all like "Oh Doctor Light, you're so suave!"

1. Who would you choose?:
The Joker

2. What would be the circumstances that would turn this Super Villain into a Superhero?:
After killing Batman, The Joker starts to lose interest in the life of the supervillain, so he crafts a new, heroic persona to fill the void left by Batman and move on to newer and bigger things. I mean, after all, he's been playing villainous roles for almost 15 years. An performer has to branch out, and that's how The Joker sees his life: a performance. He becomes a light hearted, wise cracking hero who gives any cheesy, silver age do-gooder a run for their money and is chock full of corny one liners, heartfelt speeches, and lots and lots of quips.

3. Would the other Superheroes accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, most would either find him annoying or think him a very brave, kind man who's good to have around. Of course, once they figure out who he really is, they freak the ****ing out because he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as **** holy ****ing ****. Then they'd probably try to send him back to Arkham, because, let's face it: He's The Joker. He's crazy as ****. Holy ****ing ****. Only reason he's suddenly turned good is because of how ****ing crazy he is.

4. Would the general public accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, he's be a welcome relief in Gotham City. A public figure doing good in a way that's a bit more accessable than The Batman, even if The Batman got more actual crime fighting done. He'd do a lot more charity work and organizing of neighborhood watches than actual skull bashing, although there'd be a bit of that too, and his cheesy, old school personality would endear him to a lot of people. He'd become Gotham's Joshua Norton: Kind of eccentric guy who's pretty smart and does good things people like and listen to. But if his true identity were revealed to the public, which it probably would be...holy ****ing **** he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as ****.

5. Would he or she get a secret identity?
As I already mentioned, yes. He'd have a cheesy, old school 50s super hero/adventurer persona.

The part I like about this is I just think the Joker would be really, really good at being a hero. Because what are criminals going to do, out-criminal the Joker?

 

[The Question]

I kind of see him as being more "but I never yell surprise, cause hey... then it wouldn't be rape."

He could go up to a girl and be like "I guess you'd better sleep with me... or else I just might have to rape you! Heh heh." And she'd be all like "Oh Doctor Light, you're so suave!"

Also, his main pick up line should be to find a room with three girls in in and only one door, stand in the doorway, and say "which one of your *****es wants to *****e me?" Afterwards, he merely glares at them. If any of them tries to live the room, he pushes them back in. Not violently, just enough to push them back a foot or so. And besides that all he does is glare. Works every time.

The part I like about this is I just think the Joker would be really, really good at being a hero. Because what are criminals going to do, out-criminal the Joker?

Oh yeah. Way I see it, he'd become a city wide hero and paragon of the community until the big reveal. And in classic Joker style, he'd be honestly confused as to why people would be upset that he used to be a mass murder.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Also, his main pick up line should be to find a room with three girls in in and only one door, stand in the doorway, and as "which one of your *****es wants to *****e me?" Afterwards, he merely glares at them. If any of them tries to live the room, he pushes them back in. Not violently, just enough to push them back a foot or so. And besides that all he does is glare. Works every time.

Then the Shaft music kicks in...

 

[Oddzball]

2) No. That's not even close to switching him to a hero since that's always been his post-Crisis motivation. Lex Luthor believes that he is a hero who is doing the right thing by humanity, saving them from superheroes and giving them to themselves.

Prior to turning the Demon into a full villain, he was a hero in the sense that he did good and put bad guys down. That he wasn't good was understood. Luthor can have the personality he always had. He'd just be positioned where he'd lose more if the villains won than if he worked with the good guys.

 

[The Gentleman]

Zounds! An interesting query, indeed!

Superboy Prime is the best of all villainous turncoats and the easiest to redeem. His return to his heroic roots would come hence, once he realizes no-one cares about the easily forgettable c-listers he shuffled off the mortal coil. Lo! This scoundrel turned scamp would collaborate with the likes of Super Girl and perpetuate Marvel Boy's suffering as he no longer has a female counterpart.

 

[Kenda Man]

If you worked for DC Comics and were told that you could turn a Super Villain into a Superhero,

1. Who would you choose?
2. What would be the circumstances that would turn this Super Villain into a Superhero?
3. Would the other Superheroes accept the reformed Super Villain?
4. Would the general public accept the reformed Super Villain?
5. Would he or she get a secret identity?

1.Sinestro

2. I think the upcoming Blackest Night Prophercy thats coming in Green Lantern will be enough reason to have him work with Hal. I also could see Hal being hesistant to see Sinestro face the death sentence because Hal had been close to Sinestro, as seen in Secret Origin storyline and it will probably be seen in "The Rage of the Red Lanterns" story.

3.I think it will be temporary. I can see an ironic siding of the Sinestro corps and Green Lantern corps teaming up to fight the Black Lanterns.

4.It will be tolerated, but I'm sure a stipulation would be thrown in by Sinestro, that this will be the only time we, the sinestro corps, will work with the Green Lanterns. Only for the sake of everyone's survival from the Black Lanterns.

5.No

 

[Kitsune]

Dr. Light. Reinvent him as a Shaft-like ladies' man.

In his secret ID he'd wear a fat suit and call himself Mr Heavy

 

[Fantasyartist]

I for one think that Madame Rouge (lately of the Brotherhood of Evil- a strange title given that at least one of its members is demonstratably female) would make a great heroine. She DID reform once and fall in love with the Chief( whose name was on her lips as she took her dying breath; she also forgave Beast Boy for accidentally knocking her into some machinery and electrocuting her; despite its elastic qualities, MR's body clearly is not immune to fatal injury. Although at least two of the JLA's members possessing ductile powers such as Madame Rouge's- Plastic Man and Elongated Man- she has contacts on the "shadow side of the street" that they don't have. By the way, why do they call her Madame ROUGE- according to my admittedly sketchy knowledge of French, that translates literally as "Mrs Red"- nothing about her, save her shade of lipstick seems red.

If not Madame Rouge, then why not the Flash's old foe, The Pied Piper?

Terry

 

[November Rain]

anyone wanting to see the joker as a superhero-esque character need only watch The Laughing Bat.

One of the best episodes of the batman.

 

[st barbara]

I'd go for one of "The Flash"'s old foes; "Mr Element" ! He sort of reformed/ retired once, but was bought back as a villain courtesy of the mind control of "Professor Zoom". A "Batman" style tragedy could easily make him into a modern day, vengfull superhero out to wreak revenge upon criminals; and with his formidable knowledge of chemistry and obvious resources he could be VERY effective !

 

[The Overlord]

1. Who would you choose?:
The Joker

2. What would be the circumstances that would turn this Super Villain into a Superhero?:
After killing Batman, The Joker starts to lose interest in the life of the supervillain, so he crafts a new, heroic persona to fill the void left by Batman and move on to newer and bigger things. I mean, after all, he's been playing villainous roles for almost 15 years. An performer has to branch out, and that's how The Joker sees his life: a performance. He becomes a light hearted, wise cracking hero who gives any cheesy, silver age do-gooder a run for their money and is chock full of corny one liners, heartfelt speeches, and lots and lots of quips.

3. Would the other Superheroes accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, most would either find him annoying or think him a very brave, kind man who's good to have around. Of course, once they figure out who he really is, they freak the ****ing out because he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as **** holy ****ing ****. Then they'd probably try to send him back to Arkham, because, let's face it: He's The Joker. He's crazy as ****. Holy ****ing ****. Only reason he's suddenly turned good is because of how ****ing crazy he is.

4. Would the general public accept the reformed Super Villain?:
At first, he's be a welcome relief in Gotham City. A public figure doing good in a way that's a bit more accessable than The Batman, even if The Batman got more actual crime fighting done. He'd do a lot more charity work and organizing of neighborhood watches than actual skull bashing, although there'd be a bit of that too, and his cheesy, old school personality would endear him to a lot of people. He'd become Gotham's Joshua Norton: Kind of eccentric guy who's pretty smart and does good things people like and listen to. But if his true identity were revealed to the public, which it probably would be...holy ****ing **** he's the ****ing Joker he's crazy as ****.

5. Would he or she get a secret identity?
As I already mentioned, yes. He'd have a cheesy, old school 50s super hero/adventurer persona.

Joker is one of the biggest dog rapists in comic book history.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Archive/RapeTheDog

Joker has pasted the Moral Event Horizon and there is no turning back when that happens:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon?from=Main.RapeTheDog

Why not just make the red Skull a hero then? You can't have a committed dog rapist do a Heel Face Turn without it seeming very contrived, its simply bad writing on your part.

 

[The Question]

Joker is one of the biggest dog rapists in comic book history.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Archive/RapeTheDog

Joker has pasted the Moral Event Horizon and there is no turning back when that happens:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon?from=Main.RapeTheDog

Why not just make the red Skull a hero then? You can't have a committed dog rapist do a Heel Face Turn without it seeming very contrived, its simply bad writing on your part.

I think it would be kind of funny to have the biggest "dog rapist," as you put it, reform and become the most cheesy, gosh-darn superhero in the DCU. The kind of guy that Superman would roll is eyes at. Besides, it seems like something The Joker would do because he would find it amusing, especially if he ever managed to actually kill Batman. I mean, really, do you think he'd find being a villain at all fun without Batman? He'd probably either give heroics a try, go catatonic, or kill himself without the bat.

Also, while I find tvtropes.org amusing, I think following the tropes to the letter is highly limiting for a writer. I see it as a satire of cliches, not a rule book. Helpful, yes. But in more of a "be careful" or "what not to do" kind of way. Seems kind of silly to write something in a certain way or not write something in a certain way because of a website that lists fictional cliches.

 

[fifthfiend]

Joker is one of the biggest dog rapists in comic book history.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Archive/RapeTheDog

Joker has pasted the Moral Event Horizon and there is no turning back when that happens:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon?from=Main.RapeTheDog

Why not just make the red Skull a hero then? You can't have a committed dog rapist do a Heel Face Turn without it seeming very contrived, its simply bad writing on your part.

You're missing the point, which is that it's entirely contrived, by the Joker, who is doing the whole thing as a perverse game for his own amusement, and because he himself sees nothing wrong whatosever with a dog rapist transitioning on a whim to paragon of moral heroism.

 

[The Overlord]

I think it would be kind of funny to have the biggest "dog rapist," as you put it, reform and become the most cheesy, gosh-darn superhero in the DCU. The kind of guy that Superman would roll is eyes at. Besides, it seems like something The Joker would do because he would find it amusing, especially if he ever managed to actually kill Batman. I mean, really, do you think he'd find being a villain at all fun without Batman? He'd probably either give heroics a try, go catatonic, or kill himself without the bat.

Also, while I find tvtropes.org amusing, I think following the tropes to the letter is highly limiting for a writer. I see it as a satire of cliches, not a rule book. Helpful, yes. But in more of a "be careful" or "what not to do" kind of way. Seems kind of silly to write something in a certain way or not write something in a certain way because of a website that lists fictional cliches.

Hey for the most pasrt writing has rules, if not, why shouldn't a writer turn Superman into a serial killer, if they thought that was a good idea? It would be against the rules, wouldn't it?

They already covered, if Joker managed to kill Batman, he wouldn't become a super hero, he would just try to live a normallife or possible go cationic, there is no reason for him to do anything else as Joker if Batman is around, that has been established several times.

Considering Joker is a known child killer and mass murderer, one he would never be let out of prison ever, no matter what, notice how he never gets parole. Two people on the streets would try to kill for his crimes, so wouldn't last a week as open super hero. Three superman wouldn't just roll his eyes at him, Superman wouldn't hang around with a mass murderer who killed children for fun, no hero in their right mind would hang out with him, they would more likely wonder why anyone would release him in the first place.

It doesn't make logical sense, it would be like Jeffery Damher being released from jail and getting a job as cop, it wouldn't happen, ever. Its just a bad idea, its poorly written and highly contrived.

 

[The Question]

Hey for the most pasrt writing has rules, if not, why shouldn't a writer turn Superman into a serial killer, if they thought that was a good idea? It would be against the rules, wouldn't it?

Writing doesn't have rules. Any idea can be written as long as you make it believable and interesting enough to hold the reader's attention. The thing is that some ideas, like turning Superman into a serial killer, are harder to make believable and interesting that others. In the hands of someone with an enormous amount of talent, I'm sure Superman spiraling downward into corruption and madness and eventually becoming a brutal murderer would be a brilliant, gripping story. Most people would hate it because of their personal affection and nostalgia for the character, but that doesn't effect it's merits as a story. It would, however, be very, very difficult to pull off.

They already covered, if Joker managed to kill Batman, he wouldn't become a super hero, he would just try to live a normallife or possible go cationic, there is no reason for him to do anything else as Joker if Batman is around, that has been established several times.

Yes, he did try and lead a normal life when he thought he had killed Batman. But why should we then assume that the whim of playing super hero to fill the void in his life wouldn't pop into his head? I mean, he's The Joker. Random **** flies through his mind constantly.

Considering Joker is a known child killer and mass murderer, one he would never be let out of prison ever, no matter what, notice how he never gets parole. Two people on the streets would try to kill for his crimes, so wouldn't last a week as open super hero. Three superman wouldn't just roll his eyes at him, Superman wouldn't hang around with a mass murderer who killed children for fun, no hero in their right mind would hang out with him, they would more likely wonder why anyone would release him in the first place.

It doesn't make logical sense, it would be like Jeffery Damher being released from jail and getting a job as cop, it wouldn't happen, ever. Its just a bad idea, its poorly written and highly contrived.

I never said he gets released from prison, and I specifically stated that he assumes a new identity. No one realizes it's The Joker at first. They think that he's some new, white bread Ward Cleaver as a super hero type showing up to fill the void left by Batman. And I clearly stated that if and when he;s found out by the general public, they would flip their **** accordingly.

Also, how is it badly written? It hasn't been written. What I wrote, at most, could be considered a pitch, but I wouldn't even call it that because it would be a pretty bad pitch and one I would never submit to a publisher.

 

[fifthfiend]

Hey for the most pasrt writing has rules, if not, why shouldn't a writer turn Superman into a serial killer, if they thought that was a good idea? It would be against the rules, wouldn't it?

They already covered, if Joker managed to kill Batman, he wouldn't become a super hero, he would just try to live a normallife or possible go cationic, there is no reason for him to do anything else as Joker if Batman is around, that has been established several times.

Considering Joker is a known child killer and mass murderer, one he would never be let out of prison ever, no matter what, notice how he never gets parole. Two people on the streets would try to kill for his crimes, so wouldn't last a week as open super hero. Three superman wouldn't just roll his eyes at him, Superman wouldn't hang around with a mass murderer who killed children for fun, no hero in their right mind would hang out with him, they would more likely wonder why anyone would release him in the first place.

It doesn't make logical sense, it would be like Jeffery Damher being released from jail and getting a job as cop, it wouldn't happen, ever. Its just a bad idea, its poorly written and highly contrived.

That post was poorly written and highly contrived.