Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[Detective Conan]

Happy Mother’s Day to those with mothers living or dead!

 

[kguillou]

I just finished Ant-Man for maybe the third time and Ant-Man And The Wasp for about the millionth. Both are really fun movies.

I would love if Deadpool and Ant-Man have a team up somewhere down the line. Reynolds and Paul Rudd together would be a hoot.

Antman 1 ages really well imo. I was kinda “meh whatever” about it that first time i saw it in 2015 but multiple rewatches later the movie does have a lot of heart and substance to it. Its a great movie to watch if youre having a s***y day.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I like both Ant-Man films. Just fun movies

 

[Web-Head]

I'd make the argument that the first Ant-Man is the most underrated MCU movie. Just so rewatchable. My only real gripe with it is Cross could have been developed a little more.

I'm not sure Kang will be they main baddie in the third Ant-Man, so I'm curious who it'll be if he isn't

 

[Sithborg]

I just can't get over the "not Edgar Wright-ness" of Ant-man. And Ant-man and Wasp is a 90 minute movie stretched to 2 hours.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just can't get over the "not Edgar Wright-ness" of Ant-man. And Ant-man and Wasp is a 90 minute movie stretched to 2 hours.

What I like about Ant-Man is clearly all the scenes and jokes Edgar Wright came up with. When you watch the sequel it becomes very apparent what was and wasn't him, and it is painful.

 

[mclay18]

I just can't get over the "not Edgar Wright-ness" of Ant-man. And Ant-man and Wasp is a 90 minute movie stretched to 2 hours.

I really just can't get into Ant-Man. The silliness and ridiculously overqualified cast (especially Paul Rudd, Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer) just nail down the B-movie aspect of it.

I have nothing against the Ant-Man and the Wasp movies, it's just a collective "eh, it's OK". Not great, not bad, just... there.

 

[fan4stic]

T'Chaka's great shame isn't a situation where he "justly" killed his brother, it's that he forced his brother into a situation that led to it. That he is responsible for his brother's death. The film isn't subtle, and literally has him kill his own brother using the representation of his wealth and then abandon his own nephew, the outsider.

He didn't force his brother into anything. He made choices. His brother took actions, (if i remember correctly) helped Klaue steal vibranium (I think it's said that resulted in the deaths of wakandans as well), and then (if I remember correctly) tried to kill someone for being a spy.

T'Challa saying that they were wrong for turning their backs on the rest of the world, to me, doesn't equal saying that T'Chaka was wrong for not doing what his brother wanted.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Ant-Man & the Wasp is one of those disappointing sequels to wonderful movies.

So I watched New Mutants yesterday. I actually liked it!

The more people announce they enjoy it, the less awkward it feels that I enjoy it.

I'd make the argument that the first Ant-Man is the most underrated MCU movie. Just so rewatchable. My only real gripe with it is Cross could have been developed a little more.

The Incredible Hulk is the most underrated MCU movie. But I would agree that Ant-Man deserves more love.

 

[fan4stic]

I thought everything with race was dealt with pretty well in Falcon&Winter Soldier too. Aside from the "Is he bothering you?" thing.

I, mostly, think similarly. I was a little iffy on the moment where Sam outright states that he's a black man wearing the stars and stripes and the convo between him and Bucky about it. But I dug all the Isaiah Bradley stuff, especially after I saw where it all headed. The idea, to me, being that Isaiah did suffer, and while racism may still exist, he's still seeing the world through that past he's lived in, through that suffering, but Sam's moment of declaration, and seeing Sam celebrated by people, through that, Isaiah sees a potential for Sam as a black man being Captain America, being a heroic showcase to kids and adults alike, and Isaiah is himself celebratory of it in a way, willing to, I think see more potential for the future. To me, whether he's black or not doesn't matter. I think he shows his heroic potential. And that's what I think this show does, for me, someone who was questioning why Steve gave Sam the shield at the end of Endgame. Now, this doesn't retroactively justify the movie, to me, not showing that moment earned, to me. But I think, to me, it showcases how Sam can go forward with it as a character.

And that scene at the end in the museum with Isaiah and Sam and all that, I thought was pretty darn beautiful.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He didn't force his brother into anything. He made choices. His brother took actions, (if i remember correctly) helped Klaue steal vibranium (I think it's said that resulted in the deaths of wakandans as well), and then (if I remember correctly) tried to kill someone for being a spy.

T'Challa saying that they were wrong for turning their backs on the rest of the world, to me, doesn't equal saying that T'Chaka was wrong for not doing what his brother wanted.

The social and political messaging of Black Panther is not mysterious, whether you think it is there or not. Also I am glad you were able to engage with the wiki for the plot points of the film.

 

[Nardz937]

I'd love to see Edgar Wright take on Spider-Man but I know that's a pipe-dream.

 

[moviedoors]

So I watched New Mutants yesterday. I actually liked it! It’s not perfect by any means and it gets a little too goofy once everyone starts using their powers (I’m still not sure what Anya Taylor-Joy’s powers are exactly) but overall I enjoyed it. It was especially good to see a queer love story front and center in a superhero movie. And I liked the horror-ish tone. Since it will never be followed up on, I hope Marvel has the good sense to pursue ATJ for another role down the line.

I'm just gonna go ahead and call it: this movie's reputation is going to be nowhere near as dire as it was in a couple of years. It's a solid flick, and the superhero-movie-as-horror-movie angle feels fresh. When was the last time we saw that, Blade? And that series so thoroughly predates what we think of as superhero films now that doing it again still feels novel.

I'm not gonna be scratching off any top 10 comic flicks off my list for The New Mutants, but it certainly felt more worthwhile than Dark Phoenix or Apocalypse. At this moment, I'd rather watch it than Days of Future Past, which is more a movie that contains a few good set pieces than something that resembles a good movie.

 

[fan4stic]

The social and political messaging of Black Panther is not mysterious, whether you think it is there or not. Also I am glad you were able to engage with the wiki for the plot points of the film.

I didn't engage with the wiki.

I'm not talking about the social or political messaging. I'm talking about T'Chaka's character's choices and faults and whether or not he's responsible for his brother's actions. I don't think he is.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I didn't engage with the wiki.

I'm not talking about the social or political messaging. I'm talking about T'Chaka's character's choices and faults and whether or not he's responsible for his brother's actions. I don't think he is.

I would agree with you. N'Jobu was working for Wakanda as a spy and I can't see that situation to be in any way equal to the king having forced him into betraying Wakanda. N'Jobu just had a different idea and he used his position to go behind the king's back to try to make his views come alive anyway.

That T'Challa later shares the view that Wakanda should share its wealth with the world doesn't mean that it's in the same way that N'Jobu envisioned it, and certainly not in terms of making the end justify any means. The matter in the film isn't so simple as that there is a clear right and wrong between the brothers.

 

[Erzengel]

 

[Boy Scout]

Looks about what you’d expect.

 

[Kane52630]

Still weird that Andy Serkis directed this.

 

[Flint Marko]

Thanks I hate it

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am not even apologizing, I am pumped for that movie. Venom was an incredibly stupid movie. But boy howdy, was watching Tom Hardy chew scenery fun! Now we have 2 of them doing it? Also, Carnage looks awesome.

This is gonna be a good time at the movies.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I am not even apologizing, I am pumped for that movie. Venom was an incredibly stupid movie. But boy howdy, was watching Tom Hardy chew scenery fun! Now we have 2 of them doing it? Also, Carnage looks awesome.

This is gonna be a good time at the movies.

That's really how I look at it haha. It's like a B movie.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Thanks I hate it

For real. After all the years of playing video games, reading Web of Spider-Man comics and Maximum Carnage, the cartoons and stuff, we finally get live action Carnage with Woody and I’m like...



Without Spider-Man this is all pointless. Sony can ruin a wet dream.

That I would like to eat Mrs Chen bit made me laugh though.

 

[Drizzle]

I am not even apologizing, I am pumped for that movie. Venom was an incredibly stupid movie. But boy howdy, was watching Tom Hardy chew scenery fun! Now we have 2 of them doing it? Also, Carnage looks awesome.

This is gonna be a good time at the movies.

This. Hardy alone makes it worth the price of admission.

 

[Erzengel]

I think the real important question is which symbiote will they use in the 3rd movie?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the real important question is which symbiote will they use in the 3rd movie?

I think the obvious answer is Anti-Venom

In all seriousness though, I can see the 3rd one being Venom vs Spider-Man as the title, lol. We are getting that crossover film. If that isn't in a proper Venom 3, then I can see Anti-Venom for the 3rd film