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doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Pretty much the same "call" of the two jewish boys who created him to begin with.Just hearing a child's voice call for Superman is....something else, like the kid in all of us during a terrible time, call for our hero to save us. It's so damn good.
Can’t wait until the YouTuber that will try to discredit the view totals next week. I saw one trying to say it wasn’t in the top 30 all time yesterday. Grace will be waiting for the Neilson ratings.![]()
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Yeah it’s hard to discredit a million likes but they will try.I'm sure those guys over at Geeks + Gamers are having an ugly fit over people's love for Gunn's Superman so far.
I am surprised at the low number of views for joker 2, the Batman, and Flash on their main site. WB has been a mess over the last 10 years. I still don’t know how they got Reeves and the Dune director. You can make an argument WB has the best stable of directors under their umbrella if you add Gunn.
James Gunn knows how to balance comedy and drama for the most part, and from the trailer alone you can see Corenswet's Superman is majorly struggling in this movie which will be intriguing to see. To say that this movie will have no weight and just be endless comedy skit after comedy skit is a great disservice to Gunn as a storyteller. Also, really demeaning to the animation medium as a whole by calling this a "cartoon".
I agree that Gunn seems really good at finding a balance. He probably will.
I saw Conrenswet's Superman sort of struggling... only to be miraculously saved by a plot device that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I'm not saying the movie will have no weight. I'm saying that it could very easily have less weight, due to Krypto.
I never said that it would be an endless comedy skit after comedy skit.
I love cartoons and animations... I prefer my live action films to embrace the live action element, instead of trying to emulate cartoons. That's my preference. I'm a grown up. I like grown up themes, personally. I understand that the character is for kids too.. I'm okay with that... but yes.. if I had my way, I'd prefer a grounded approach that puts Superman in a world comparable to the one I live in. That to me, seems more exciting. Gunn is going a different way, obviously, and that worries me somewhat, but I'm still pretty optimistic that it'll be a fun, awesome movie, because Gunn does know how to play emotional moments and comedy and action really well. I'm just sharing my concerns.
Stop kink shaming Bryan Singer.At the end of the day this is a superhero universe. This isn't some "grounded in reality" black leather horse****. Its a comic book brought to screen. That is obviously the tone Gunn is going for with his DC universe and his Superman movie.
"miraculously saved a plot device" Superman called his dog to him, which is an actual thing you can do with real life dogs. In this case, this dog has the same powers as Superman, which means he has super hearing. If you can suspend your disbelief that a guy from another planet can fly just because he is on a planet that has a yellow sun, why can't you accept that a dog from that same planet can have the same superpowers?
Stop kink shaming Bryan Singer.![]()
Yes, fantastical and whimsy do not inherently make something a cartoon, but it does exist on a spectrum. Too little whimsy, and it can feel like a slog like you're saying. Too much whimsy, and it can feel like a fairy tale dream with no real stakes. I'd argue that Krypto would very easily skew towards too much, IMO. I've explained why. You're just asking me to suspend too much disbelief.Fantastical whimsy in live-action =/= cartoon. Or dumb. Careful insulting people’s taste here. Won’t get you far.
Krypto can bring comedy, heart and also, as Grant Morrison proved in one tearjerker of a comic, poignancy. Besides that, not everything has to be there for “dramatic effect.” That’s a recipe for a boring slog that wouldn’t resemble any Supes comic I know. We just had that cinematic Superman. He sucked.
Except we've already had that type of grounded-ish approach with Man Of Steel, so regardless of whether one liked that or not, I'm not sure why embracing the more fantastical aspects of Superman this go-around is a bad thing?
Ugh, have they? I'd argue that in a great many MCU films, the comedy has felt forced and taken away from the stakes. I agree that comedy doesn't need to take away the stakes. But creating a pet flying dog that swoops in at the last second, feels like it might.First of all, you have zero idea of what Krypto can do, why he is there or what purpose he serves. It's like 10 seconds in a teaser...but comic relief is neither a bad thing nor does it take away the stakes when done right. The MCU has made a cottage industry out of it.
We'll see how it's done.I see what you're saying, Krypto could save Superman, but so could a whole bunch of other heroes. That's true... that does indeed make it harder to make stakes. I guess what I'd say that in addition to Krypto being a potential get-out-of-jail-free card, he also makes the whole world feel less real. Again, his existence poses a whole bunch of questions. How old is the dog? How did he get here? Can he shoot lasers out of his eyes too? Does this mean there are super cats and super rodents living amongst us? It's silly, and reduces the stakes also in that way, which Guy Gardner doesn't necessarily have to, IMO.Second, Krypto doesn't change the stakes anymore than Guy Gardner does. He could save Clark at any time he wears one of the most powerful weapons in the universe.
Thank you. I appreciate that.Third its hard to comment on stakes when you have no idea of the threat...
I think you are overthinking this a bit, but I understand where you are coming from even if I disagree.
I appreciate that. My language can be pretty aggressive sometimes.Not sure if you realise how hostile and patronising you are sounding, so just thought I'd reflect that back to you a bit. To be clear, you are talking to grown ups here.. and it's not 'dumb' to have a different opinion to you.
Secondly - Krypto can ABSOLUTELY raise the stakes. Have you read Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow? When an audience is introduced to a dog in a story/movie, any threat to that dog becomes a major investment emotionally. And that works for pretty much any animal. I mean... its actually one of the things Gunn is known forThe stakes are high in GOTG 3 precisely because we got so much focus on the backstory of a talking racoon that we care deeply and hate the bad guy even more!
Yeah, I agree that the tone he seems to be going for is "comic book come to life." I hope that's as fun as it sounds.At the end of the day this is a superhero universe. This isn't some "grounded in reality" black leather horse****. Its a comic book brought to screen. That is obviously the tone Gunn is going for with his DC universe and his Superman movie.
"miraculously saved a plot device" Superman called his dog to him, which is an actual thing you can do with real life dogs. In this case, this dog has the same powers as Superman, which means he has super hearing. If you can suspend your disbelief that a guy from another planet can fly just because he is on a planet that has a yellow sun, why can't you accept that a dog from that same planet can have the same superpowers?
Literally can’t relate to anyone who didn’t find the stakes in GotG3 to feel real.I appreciate that. My language can be pretty aggressive sometimes.
I don't think your opinion that you like Krypto is dumb. I think Krypto can be fun in video games and comic books and cartoons. Superman is a cartoon, and it sometimes can be fun to explore the more silly sides of him. You probably fell in love with the character, like most of us did, as a kid. So, you might like some stories of Krypto, because you see them through that lens.
But call him silly, call him dumb, call him flamboyant... whatever... Krypto was never intended to be something that worked in the real world. You don't see how an existing of super flying pet minimizes and reduces Superman? You can enjoy the super pet for all kinds of reasons.. it's quirky, it's cute, it's funny. But I think you should acknowledge that at very least, here in movies, Krypto will, at minimum, make Superman more separate and strange and different from our world. I'd argue that's a risky thing to do, if you want audiences to connect.
I mean, I hope they don't kill the dog. That would raise the stakes of a particular villain, I suppose. Other than that, it's hard to imagine that Krypto will ever be in real danger. Killing the super dog would probably not go well with the kids. Because let's be honest... that's what Krypto is there for. It's pretty transparent.
For me personally, I'm thinking specifically about GOTG3 as a model of how I don't want it to be. I didn't feel like the stakes were very real through much of that film. The emotions in that film felt pretty forced to me.