Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

[El Payaso]

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[superbaby]

with those terrible background singer given to all the main characters, it's just too difficult for SR to move on in a good way.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I wish the WB could see this poll and make some changes to Superman. It's going to be interesting to see how the WB markets the sequel. I think the first sequel performed the way it did because of its name alone...it's Superman..so of course people are going to go see it, but i don't think the general public will be as excited about the sequel.

I think it's interesting that people keep talking about how much money superman made, and they compare it to lesser comic book heroes, but they fail to point out that Superman is one of the most well-known super heroes in the world...so it was expected that the film would make a lot of money, but obviously below expectations...

I don't think the public will fall for the same trick twice...i believe they'll do a little homework and wait it out. The next Superman movie needs to really push the bar.

And I think it's interesting that people claim the "general audience" isn't interested in a hero like superman..instead of pointing out the possibility that maybe the movie wasn't as good as they perceived/expected it.

 

[Katsuro]

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Even if you didn't like Superman Returns, starting over a couple years later is about the most ridiculous thing a studio could think of.

Ever since Batman Begins, that's been the fan mentality for pretty much everything. RESTART!! Ooh, I dont like so-and-so's costume, RESTART!! Oh, i didn't like the casting, RESTART!! RESTART!!! What are you people gonna do if the restart doens't turn out to be the best movie imaginable, you gonna want another restart? Maybe they should just churn out a new vision of a Superman movie every year. Screw getting anywhere in a franchise, just keep restarting over and over again until every single fan is happy. who cares if the general public is so completely and utterly confused as to why Superman keeps repeating the same adventure with a new cast every year.

In closing, let me say this. The general public still has not figured out that Batman Begins is not a prequel. I GUARANTEE you, a restart in a year or two will turn their brains to mush.

 

[Katsuro]

I wish the WB could see this poll and make some changes to Superman. It's going to be interesting to see how the WB markets the sequel. I think the first sequel performed the way it did because of its name alone...it's Superman..so of course people are going to go see it, but i don't think the general public will be as excited about the sequel.

I think it's interesting that people keep talking about how much money superman made, and they compare it to lesser comic book heroes, but they fail to point out that Superman is one of the most well-known super heroes in the world...so it was expected that the film would make a lot of money, but obviously below expectations...

I don't think the public will fall for the same trick twice...i believe they'll do a little homework and wait it out. The next Superman movie needs to really push the bar.

And I think it's interesting that people claim the "general audience" isn't interested in a hero like superman..instead of pointing out the possibility that maybe the movie wasn't as good as they perceived/expected it.

Superman is well-known, but he's not popular. There's a huge difference. I hang out with a lot of comic books fans, but let me say that it was hard finding people to go see Superman Returns with me. For X-Men 3 the group I was in was gigantic, but I could only find a couple people to see SR with me. And their reasons weren't "it's cuz the cape isn't the right color" or "bryan singer's gay!", it was because they dont like Superman.

 

[AgentPat]

would you mind/be upset if the sequel didn't follow SR storyline? ie: Lois Lane wasn't a mother or the kid had never exist.

How come there's no option for:

"Mind? You kidding? I *want* them to change it."​

That would get my vote. Alas however, I haven't been consulted.

 

[Super Kal]

that's the way I feel as well.

 

[lexlives]

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Even if you didn't like Superman Returns, starting over a couple years later is about the most ridiculous thing a studio could think of.

Ever since Batman Begins, that's been the fan mentality for pretty much everything. RESTART!! Ooh, I dont like so-and-so's costume, RESTART!! Oh, i didn't like the casting, RESTART!! RESTART!!! What are you people gonna do if the restart doens't turn out to be the best movie imaginable, you gonna want another restart? Maybe they should just churn out a new vision of a Superman movie every year. Screw getting anywhere in a franchise, just keep restarting over and over again until every single fan is happy. who cares if the general public is so completely and utterly confused as to why Superman keeps repeating the same adventure with a new cast every year.

In closing, let me say this. The general public still has not figured out that Batman Begins is not a prequel. I GUARANTEE you, a restart in a year or two will turn their brains to mush.

First off, if they decide not to continue with the SR continuity it will be years before they try again so audiences will have long forgotten SR and there will be no confusion at that point.

Audiences are not confused by the new Hulk and seem actually excited about it. In part because it is precisely not a continuation of Lee's film.

No way will WB do a restart in 3 or 4 years but, ironically, such a move would see that film having a better shot of doing well than an SR sequel.

Why? It would not be under the cloud that any SR sequel will face. Audiences will not be so trusting of Singer in a sequel - they will remember what they were told they were getting and what they got were 2 different things.

A restart would have the advantage of newness, the excitement over the new actors cast as Superman/Clark and Lois. The new Luthor actor.

IMO audiences' brains would not at all turn to mush but would actually give the restart a look that they will not near as readily give to an SR sequel.

 

[dark_b]

First off, if they decide not to continue with the SR continuity it will be years before they try again so audiences will have long forgotten SR and there will be no confusion at that point.

Audiences are not confused by the new Hulk and seem actually excited about it. In part because it is precisely not a continuation of Lee's film.

No way will WB do a restart in 3 or 4 years but, ironically, such a move would see that film having a better shot of doing well than an SR sequel.

Why? It would not be under the cloud that any SR sequel will face. Audiences will not be so trusting of Singer in a sequel - they will remember what they were told they were getting and what they got were 2 different things.

A restart would have the advantage of newness, the excitement over the new actors cast as Superman/Clark and Lois. The new Luthor actor.

IMO audiences' brains would not at all turn to mush but would actually give the restart a look that they will not near as readily give to an SR sequel.

where are those people? show me.

 

[Super Kal]

which Hulk are we talking about?... the last hulk film, or the brand new one?

 

[Showtime]

He is refering to the new movie, that people are not confused by the new movie in relation to Ang Lee's.

Although the comparison between the Superman franchise and the Hulk franchise make no sense.

 

[lexlives]

where are those people? show me.

The general movie audiences who did not embrace SR - thought it was sort of a bore and do not seem to be clamoring for a sequel. They just don't care -the Bible says something about lukewarm I think.

But there is definite excitement about TDK, Spiderman 3 and FF 2. You see that on the generic movie sites - I am not talking the specific Batman or FF or Spiderman sites as you'd expect excitement there.

A new team, a new Superman actor, a new Lois and, if the first photo released is iconic - Superman standing atop the DP Globe (and not in a warehouse - good grief) - you turn around in one fell swoop the buzz. Now the new team would have to keep it up with a kick a** teaser and great promo photos.

This is why, IMO, a restart with a new team has a far better chance of success than an SR sequel.

Its the excitement factor which I am not seeing anywhere for SR - not even on SR boards. I think you are underestimating the huge PR problem WB will have in trying to sell a sequel and getting audiences out.

 

[Showtime]

25-million tickets were sold for Superman Returns...who was buying...Singer's friends and family? It couldn't have been all fanboys?

Again, the general public are not those who frequent Superman fan sites, or even movie sites.

Yeah...everybody on the boards hated the movie, and nobody is excited.

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

25-million tickets were sold for Superman Returns...who was buying...Singer's friends and family? It couldn't have been all fanboys?

Again, the general public are not those who frequent Superman fan sites, or even movie sites.

Yeah...everybody on the boards hated the movie, and nobody is excited.

Agreed. There were Superman fans who liked the movie, and fans who hated it. The general public didn't really go berserk over it, and that was reflected in the box-office numbers. However, SR promoted dvd sales, merchandise, and toy sales all over the world. In light of this, SR wasn't a failure, although, comparing the numbers between the highest grossing film of the year with our Superman movie -- it does tend to bring all the fans down. Oh well, we can always hope that the next one fairs well at the B.O. Coz SR's "top-grossing" hopes were pretty much shattered by bad word-of-mouth mostly because the general public never saw Superman, as Bryan Singer presented him. Something new isn't necessarily bad, though -- however, messing with the fundamental aspects of the character, which even non-fans are familiar with... is a dangerous game, and one, which I feel Singer lost.

 

[dpm07]

The general movie audiences who did not embrace SR - thought it was sort of a bore and do not seem to be clamoring for a sequel. They just don't care -the Bible says something about lukewarm I think.

But there is definite excitement about TDK, Spiderman 3 and FF 2. You see that on the generic movie sites - I am not talking the specific Batman or FF or Spiderman sites as you'd expect excitement there.

A new team, a new Superman actor, a new Lois and, if the first photo released is iconic - Superman standing atop the DP Globe (and not in a warehouse - good grief) - you turn around in one fell swoop the buzz. Now the new team would have to keep it up with a kick a** teaser and great promo photos.

This is why, IMO, a restart with a new team has a far better chance of success than an SR sequel.

Its the excitement factor which I am not seeing anywhere for SR - not even on SR boards. I think you are underestimating the huge PR problem WB will have in trying to sell a sequel and getting audiences out.

Great post.

 

[dark_b]

The general movie audiences who did not embrace SR - thought it was sort of a bore and do not seem to be clamoring for a sequel. They just don't care -the Bible says something about lukewarm I think.

But there is definite excitement about TDK, Spiderman 3 and FF 2. You see that on the generic movie sites - I am not talking the specific Batman or FF or Spiderman sites as you'd expect excitement there.

A new team, a new Superman actor, a new Lois and, if the first photo released is iconic - Superman standing atop the DP Globe (and not in a warehouse - good grief) - you turn around in one fell swoop the buzz. Now the new team would have to keep it up with a kick a** teaser and great promo photos.

This is why, IMO, a restart with a new team has a far better chance of success than an SR sequel.

Its the excitement factor which I am not seeing anywhere for SR - not even on SR boards. I think you are underestimating the huge PR problem WB will have in trying to sell a sequel and getting audiences out.

you didnt understand my post. i said show me not tell me. show me those f... sites lexlives ... please

 

[Super Kal]

Agreed. There were Superman fans who liked the movie, and fans who hated it. The general public didn't really go berserk over it, and that was reflected in the box-office numbers. However, SR promoted dvd sales, merchandise, and toy sales all over the world. In light of this, SR wasn't a failure, although, comparing the numbers between the highest grossing film of the year with our Superman movie -- it does tend to bring all the fans down. Oh well, we can always hope that the next one fairs well at the B.O. Coz SR's "top-grossing" hopes were pretty much shattered by bad word-of-mouth mostly because the general public never saw Superman, as Bryan Singer presented him. Something new isn't necessarily bad, though -- however, messing with the fundamental aspects of the character, which even non-fans are familiar with... is a dangerous game, and one, which I feel Singer lost.

well said.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Superman is well-known, but he's not popular. There's a huge difference. I hang out with a lot of comic books fans, but let me say that it was hard finding people to go see Superman Returns with me. For X-Men 3 the group I was in was gigantic, but I could only find a couple people to see SR with me. And their reasons weren't "it's cuz the cape isn't the right color" or "bryan singer's gay!", it was because they dont like Superman.

That is specific to your group of friends or whoever u know... What is your age group and the background of the people you attended with? Even if people similar to your demographic don't like superman, what about the youth? Spiderman and the x-men identify across various demographics....do you think SR appealed to kids and teens? I don't think so...hell, it barely even appealed to the mature audience...and um...yeah..Superman was one of the most popular characters prior to the spiderman and x-men franchises...and after SR....superman's popularity has probably went down even more....no fan can deny that superman is the super hero of all super heroes....he is iconic and the ideal superhero. It's funny how now that SR released..people are saying the audience isn't interested in SR...but what about Smallville? What about Superma: The Animated Series? what about Louis and Clock? Maybe it's just that the movie was underwhelming? I don't understand why people keep trying to blame the audience.....movies should cater to the audience, not the other way around. The audience shouldn't have to cater to Brian Singer's "interpretation" of superman.

 

[Showtime]

Agreed. There were Superman fans who liked the movie, and fans who hated it. The general public didn't really go berserk over it, and that was reflected in the box-office numbers. However, SR promoted dvd sales, merchandise, and toy sales all over the world. In light of this, SR wasn't a failure, although, comparing the numbers between the highest grossing film of the year with our Superman movie -- it does tend to bring all the fans down. Oh well, we can always hope that the next one fairs well at the B.O. Coz SR's "top-grossing" hopes were pretty much shattered by bad word-of-mouth mostly because the general public never saw Superman, as Bryan Singer presented him. Something new isn't necessarily bad, though -- however, messing with the fundamental aspects of the character, which even non-fans are familiar with... is a dangerous game, and one, which I feel Singer lost.

That's what I have been saying all along, these posters who are in love with everything SR can't claim the movie blew everybody away, yet those who didn't like the movie can't argue that the movie bombed.

That is why I believe it is a given the sequel will happen, because of what SR did not just for Superman Returns merchandise, but Superman merchandise in general. This has been my theory from the get go.

I think Singer tried to make a serious Superman film and what alot of people were looking for was a tongue in cheek comic book movie. It didn't resonate will some of the moviegoers but it hit the nail on the head with others. It's rather unusual for such a big movie.

 

[BobJM]

You can't just ignore SR, even if Singer is replaced--unless of course you want to wait another decade or two for a restart.

Yes, Singer & crew really screwed themselves over and cornered themselves with the involvment of Richard and Jason, but we're just going to have to deal with that. And yes, nothing would make me more happier than seeing Jason and Richard out of the picture, but that wouldn't make sense--especially when you compare that to the amount of emphasis placed on their very existence in SR and even during promotional interviews for the film.

The only thing I would not mind is if NK was ignored. It's not a good way to introduce Brainiac or Doomsday or whatever villain everyone wants in the sequel. It was an idiotic move by Lex and is now somewhere in space (which is absurd by itself).

 

[lexlives]

You can't just ignore SR, even if Singer is replaced--unless of course you want to wait another decade or two for a restart.

Yes, Singer & crew really screwed themselves over and cornered themselves with the involvment of Richard and Jason, but we're just going to have to deal with that. And yes, nothing would make me more happier than seeing Jason and Richard out of the picture, but that wouldn't make sense--especially when you compare that to the amount of emphasis placed on their very existence in SR and even during promotional interviews for the film.

The only thing I would not mind is if NK was ignored. It's not a good way to introduce Brainiac or Doomsday or whatever villain everyone wants in the sequel. It was an idiotic move by Lex and is now somewhere in space (which is absurd by itself).

Oh indeed you can ignore SR and WB had better. It is a fatally flawed premise and trying to rebuild the franchise on it is like building on quicksand.

I am perfectly happy to wait 10 - 15 years for a restart - at least the franchise will have a chance. As of now any Singer sequel will kill the franchise for good - forget 10 or 20 years, IMHO.

It is time to move on and hope that someday we get the re-launch Batman and Bond got. Not to mention the freshness of Spidey 3 and the newness of FF 2. Let's be frank - SR is not even in the league of any of these hot franchises.

 

[superbaby]

You can't just ignore SR, even if Singer is replaced--unless of course you want to wait another decade or two for a restart.

Yes, Singer & crew really screwed themselves over and cornered themselves with the involvment of Richard and Jason, but we're just going to have to deal with that. And yes, nothing would make me more happier than seeing Jason and Richard out of the picture, but that wouldn't make sense--especially when you compare that to the amount of emphasis placed on their very existence in SR and even during promotional interviews for the film.

The only thing I would not mind is if NK was ignored. It's not a good way to introduce Brainiac or Doomsday or whatever villain everyone wants in the sequel. It was an idiotic move by Lex and is now somewhere in space (which is absurd by itself).

ya, we can. a vague connection... you know...

 

[BobJM]

The only time a "vague connection" works is when theres a much longer time frame in between two films (like SII and SR)...not 3 years. You can't have a whole problem regarding Jason and Richard that takes up 2/3 of a 2.5 hr film and completely ignore them completely in a sequel 3 years later with the same cast, setting, time, etc.

 

[superbaby]

The only time a "vague connection" works is when theres a much longer time frame in between two films (like SII and SR)...not 3 years. You can't have a whole problem regarding Jason and Richard that takes up 2/3 of a 2.5 hr film and completely ignore them completely in a sequel 3 years later with the same cast, setting, time, etc.

or the next movie isn't a sequel to SR; simply about an established superman story... and treats SR as the end episode...

 

[mego joe]

I think the restart should be a retelling of the origin in a new way based on 'Birthright' or 'Man of Steel' and don't worry about SR and any of the dangling plot lines. Or go w/o the origin and just do a SUperman story that doesn't necessarily follow after SR.

Honestly, I think it's the best way to go to get the most out of the franchise. I think a sequel dealing w/ Jason and Richard is a dead end. For those who don't like that whole plot line from SR, the only real way to make the sequel palatable is to completely ignore them. Of course there's always the Mr. Myxzptlk angle.