Superman's power level - Part 1

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  1. GreenKToo

    GreenKToo In the fire

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    I would like to see a snippet in the next trailer of how strong he can be. Maybe show a quick shot of him picking up a building or train. With some real heatvision thrown in. Something to make us go DAMMMN!!!!!! Now Thats what we've been talking about!!!
     
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  2. kedrell

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    True, he didn't get a reason to use it until Superman 2 with the whole Niagra Falls/save-Lois-but-keep-his-secret-ID-safe scenario. Same thing goes for superbreath/freeze-breath.
     
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  3. Lead Cenobite

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    I think they hinted at Superman's intelligence in Superman IV with his ability to speak Italian and Russian, as well as being able to recognize Nuclear Man's cell structure.
     
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  4. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    So are we going to see a superman capable of lifting 60 quintillion tons? Will we see him fly at light speed or half light speed or however fast he flies?
     
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  5. jacobed

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    I think this Superman will be a lot like the new Spider-Man. What I mean by that is that he is going to be able to lift ridiculously heavy things and move very fast but its going to take some effort for him. Like in the trailer when he is holding up the big oil rig girder thing, he is able to do it but its not easy for him.
     
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  6. DKDetective

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    I really do not think that general audiences would be willing to accept this sort of thing. As crazy as Superman's regular powers are, just think about how objectively ridiculous the scene you are describing from Action Comics is. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far, especially with a grounded take on the character like Man of Steel. At the very least, one would need an Avengers-style approach for that sort of thing to be seen as acceptable. So I wouldn't hold your breath.
     
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  7. Mrs. Sawyer

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    There are some aspects of Superman you should leave out just because it could completely ruin stories, of course like him being instantly Super Smart.
     
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  8. Tacit Ronin

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    Yup. If he's super smart what the hell is Batman gonna do in JLA? Supes and Martian Manhunter have to be dumbed down when they are in a team so Bats can be useful.
     
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  9. Boy Scout

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    They shouldn't - and don't have to be - be dumbed down at all. There are different types of intelligence that all three of them can individually excel at that make them valuable to the team.
     
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  10. Mrs. Sawyer

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    But Superman can learn anything Batman knows in 5 minutes... It's a superpower that would never work in the movies. It doesn't even work in the comics. :funny:
     
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  11. DKDetective

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    His super intelligence is inconsistent at best in the comics. If taken to its logical conclusion, he should be able to constantly out think Luthor and end his schemes before they even begin.
     
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  12. Tacit Ronin

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    Exactly. The deductions Batman usually makes in JLA books could've been done a million times faster by Supes in his own books.
     
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  13. DKDetective

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    Also, I never bought the argument made by Kurosawa and others that Silver-Age uberSuperman was the definitive and intended version of the character because it was the final iteration of the creators. Just because it was the final version, it does not mean it was how they intended the character to be. Arguably, Superman just became Silver-Age Superman in terms of power level simply because of the ongoing nature of comics as a medium. Writers had to increasing raise the stakes because readers became used/bored to previous superfeats and they were no longer special. it could have just been a case of trying to continually blow up the balloon to keep your audience entertained.
     
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  14. Binker

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    What-if Superman has super healing along with his skin invulnerability? Not to make him like Wolverine, but to give him limits as well. Plus, it would be another way of "hurting" him without kryptonite.

    A good example of Superman with super healing would be from my fav Superman book: It's Superman! by Tom De Haven. There is a scene that takes place on Halloween night 1937, which is the first public debut of Clark as Superman (he was wearing the suit as his halloween costume, as in the story, the Superman costume is actually a left over costume from a cancelled sci-fi Clark's then-girlfriend from Hollywood was working on). Clark stops a henchman, working for both alderman and businessman Lex Luthor, from his car, that mirrors the cover to Action #1. Just as the guy is on the ground, and Supes is walking toward him, there is a robot inside the trunk (aka the Lexbot) that activates and throws Superman through a few blocks into the river (I believe it was the Hudson; this is New York, not Metropolis). Anyway, when Superman wakes up out of the river: he is bruised, exhausted, his ears are bleeding and ringing, and he's limping. He waits for around five minutes, which seems like a long time for him as the Lexbot is destroying sections of the city's street, before he's healed good enough to fight again.
     
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  15. Lead Cenobite

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    I'm wondering exactly how big that thing is. Is it a whole tower, or just a relatively small but heavy part of the rig?
     
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  16. DKDetective

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    It appears to be the rig's entire tower. If you look closely during the trailer, the entire structure seems to be tilting.
     
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  17. Bruce Malone

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    Wasn't routh's power level pretty inconsistent at times in returns? I mean he strained to balance that plane but then while injured he was able to lift up that island essentially.

    I have a feeling the MOS superman won't be as outlandish with his strength level. Speaking of powers do you think we'll see most his? Have there been hints of him using heat vision or ice breath in what we've seen so far? or even super-speed? I'm still a bit confused as to why he resorts to hitch-hiking?
     
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  18. DKDetective

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    The Entertainment Weekly article does indeed mention "heat vision battles". I would say him dodging the A-10's cannonfire in the trailer is an example of superspeed. I think for a visual medium like film, it is far more practical to show superspeed as relatively slow compared to the comics. Having someone move the speed of light is troubling to show consistently in a visually interesting way on screen. Also, it renders any time we see Superman straining after a falling aircraft or whatever totally pointless since he should be able to overtake his target almost instantaneously. I think the hitchhiking is a manifestation of his struggle with finding a purpose in life. He's not sure why he is here and for what purpose so why should he use his powers on selfish trivial things like getting somewhere faster. He's trying to learn about the world and his place in it, so why shouldn't he pretend to be normal and see what it is why for a normal person to try and get around without money, etc.
     
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  19. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I feel like on-screen superheroes have all taken a power-level hit. I can't think of one that hasn't. I'm actually fine with it in most if not all cases. It can be easier to believe, and more visually appealing.

    My only concern when this comes to Supes, is that he's supposed to be able to fly through space at a very rapid rate. For instance, fly to the sun in a matter of minutes, thus enabling our belief that he could travel to other solar systems in a matter of days to weeks.

    I suppose it is possible that we could see a Superman that steadily grows in strength. So, while he may struggle to lift an oil rig in Man of Steel, he may toss it with relative ease in a sequel. Food for thought.
     
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  20. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I personally think it would be smart to avoid the super-intelligence in this adaptation. Not that he can't be intelligent, just that he's got plenty of strengths as it is.

    I also assume we can at least count on "faster than a speeding bullet" and "more powerful than a locomotive"

    But other than that, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
     
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  21. DKDetective

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    Personally, I've never liked the idea of Superman being able to travel beyond our solar system without a ship and suit as it makes little logical sense given how his powers are typically explained as coming from Earth's yellow sun. Honestly, I'm fine with him not being able to travel to the sun in minutes in MoS. However, I think it could possibly be explained by the greater solar energy he gets exposed as he gets closer to the suit. So his maximum speed is constantly increasing as he gets closer and then would gradually decrease as he travels away.
     
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  22. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    That makes plenty of sense. Whether they get too far into the science of it or not, I think that could work.

    I also don't need him to be able to leave our solar system unaided. I just feel like if he does, they have to remain consistent with his flight speeds.
     
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  23. Man of Steel

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    Well, I think that was he didn't want to break the plane before he could land it.
     
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  24. Bren

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    Regarding intelligence; there are plenty of different kinds of intelligence. I might be able to solve an incredibly complex mathematical equation (I can't but anyway), and then have no clue how to position myself and/or troops on a battlefield.
    Superman may be able to learn languages and/or grasp high level scientific fundamentals in the FOS, but Batman can easily be on the team based on just being better in resolving how to target an enemy best, and take him/her down.
     
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  25. BH/HHH

    BH/HHH You Are My World

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    Something I wanted to mention from the trailer was you see him Superspeed as Superman and this is so nice cause a lot of interpretations be it animation of film seem to ignore his speed as soon as he flies. It's like how nice it was to see Superman run a Ross the ocean in the Batman Beyond episode the Call. I'm just glad that he still does it when he's older.
     
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