The Dark Knight Rises TDKR Reviews/Reactions (SPOILERS/Read At Your Own Risk) (NO DISCUSSION!)

[Savage]

1. Bruce Wayne was the best student of Ra's Al Ghul not Bane, though Bane was more powerful and had the advantage that he did not feel pain as he used the mask which pumped gas anesthetic, once Batman got in a better physical shape and mentally prepared he could face Bane in a much better condition.

2. Bruce saw Selina as a misguided woman who had a good heart but was going in the wrong way, Bruce did what he normally does that is -try to reform her, by giving her a chance.

5. no, but you already know, (Hint: she is a thief who takes whatever she likes.)

4. As I understand, Blake would work as a vigilante, not as Batman but would use the resources that Bruce has in his cave, he has some police training, not as good as batman but then again, he is not becoming Batman.

Where is the third question ? t:

These answers are also correct. lol I took way too long.

 

[L.A.]

quick question? How did bane know where the armory is?

 

[Patty]

quick question? How did bane know where the armory is?

he has a research and development team.

 

[Savage]

Talia probably told him. Seems like something she'd know or have figured out forever ago. Maybe they even figured it out together.

 

[L.A.]

he has a research and development team.

Really? This was mentioned in the movie? I don't recall

 

[Dannyboy3D]

YEAH. THIS.

I stand by my earnest conviction that TDKR IS THE BEST FILM I HAVE EVER SEEN! And that's really saying a lot...

I really don't see the plot holes and WTF moments that others of you do. If anything, I saw all of these kinds of things in TDK. This movie blows TDK (but not Heath's performance) out of the water.

If I HAD to say something bad about TDKR, it would be in the form of dialogue between characters toward the final climax. I mean, if you have a frickin a-bomb you have to carry out to sea, spare the chit-chat with Gordon & Selina, no?

That, and, can someone say "Tsunami Warning"??? But alas, these things are minor to the larger scope of things.

 

[Midnight Black]

^lol, Nice^

 

[Hurm...]

Funny how I was waiting for a scene that had plenty of emotional weight, much like this one....

And yet I felt that there were none really.

 

[LegendAssemble]

In terms of aerodynamics, it should tip iself over in flight from wind resistance, then push itself down with its own propellers. I'm not talking movie magic. I'm talking basic design. We went from vehicle concepts that were grounded and believable, to things that "look cool." if my expectations seem high, itis only becaus Chris Nolan raised them with his first two Batman films. I eant consistency.



1) Watch the movie again. While she is sitting there giving the audience a recap of her origin story, she clearly expresses that she hated R'as for exiling Bane from the league and for leaving her mother to die in the prison. She only rekindled any love for her father because he died fighting Batman.

2) No. Just no. You can't defy physics. This is a propeller based vehicle. If it had turning turbines like a harrier, then I could accept it's ability to fly. Without that, the Bay should fall faster than the Spruce Goose.

3) I already accounted for autopilot. The film makes it clear that Bruce repaired the autopilot six months prior to the films closing action sequence. However,

A) If he ejected, it would have to be with enough force to get six miles away from the bombs blast radius. The six mile radius isn't for the fallout...that's the blast radius. The water is freezing, Bruce is bleeding out, salt water would cause the wound to leak worse, he was already fatigued. Even in the Nolanverse, believability and realism are often respected. Even if Bruce were three miles off shore, he could not make that swim.

B) The final shot of Bruce's face is clearly of him still in the cockpit, eight before a shot showing five seconds left on the bomb. Five seconds of autopilot/eject time won't get him far enough. Plus, the bomb would have to be six miles away from Gotham and Bruce would have to be six miles from the bomb in order to survive. Did het get back to shore in Gotham in give seconds? Was he ejected six miles further ahead from the bomb (which would place him twelve miles off shore)? And even if the eject could carry him that far, the amount of force needed to commute that distance in five seconds would kill him from the shunting of his bones (in real life in real eject circumstances, pilots are allowed three ejects in their life for just that reason).

There is no justifying it. It was a poorly conveived scene which favored the dramatic over the realism and believability that the franchise long prided itself on.

So you're telling me you also believe Batman could happen without getting arrested? You can't even buy too much fertilizer without getting questioned. Plus someone pulling a chemical attack on a major city would have been HUGE news.

The Joker wouldn't have been hunted down like an Osama Bin Laden style terrorist in The Dark Knight? I mean really if there was someone doing that in real life in say Chicago or Detroit, it would be all over national news! I mean one man shot up a movie theater and thats the only thing that been on for days, imagine if someone assassinated multiple local government officials, blew up hospitals, and made multiple terrorist style threat videos.

The fact is you're complaints extremely knit picky, because none of this stuff could have happened anyway. You simply suffer from Nolan idolization and are just now realizing maybe the Dark Knight trilogy wasn't as perfect and definitive as you once thought.

 

[Reikowolf]

10/10

The main stuff that worked

- tied to Batman Begins
- removal of Alfred as a safety net to raise stakes. He represents the audience
- the pit as an allegory for the well young Bruce fell into
- John Blake as a composite character of The Robins and Terry McGinnis
- Bane breaking batman and in return being broken emotionally at the end (link to Talia)
- In one of the more rare moves, Bruce Wayne gets a happy ending.
- how well handled inspirations such as Knight Fall and No Mans Land were integrated.
- how the story was so well told that I didn't care that the Joker was not mentioned.

Now. If I could change 1 thing, and I think it would have been in poor taste without it being Heath Ledger, the judge would have been the joker instead of Crane.

Great job Nolan
Handled masterfully

 

[spider-neil]

I think this says it-

(in terms of enjoyment)

TDKR > TDK > BB

 

[Dannyboy3D]

Now. If I could change 1 thing, and I think it would have been in poor taste without it being Heath Ledger, the judge would have been the joker instead of Crane.

Great job Nolan
Handled masterfully

Man...I don't know if Batman could have handled Bane & the Joker at the same time! But that's a great idea!

I don't even know if the Joker could have handled Bane & vice versa...Bane showed no mercy on anyone!

But now that I think about it...it would make sense that Crane was the judge, simply because of his ties to Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows in BB.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

So you're telling me you also believe Batman could happen without getting arrested? You can't even buy too much fertilizer without getting questioned. Plus someone pulling a chemical attack on a major city would have been HUGE news.

The Joker wouldn't have been hunted down like an Osama Bin Laden style terrorist in The Dark Knight? I mean really if there was someone doing that in real life in say Chicago or Detroit, it would be all over national news! I mean one man shot up a movie theater and thats the only thing that been on for days, imagine if someone assassinated multiple local government officials, blew up hospitals, and made multiple terrorist style threat videos.

The fact is you're complaints extremely knit picky, because none of this stuff could have happened anyway. You simply suffer from Nolan idolization and are just now realizing maybe the Dark Knight trilogy wasn't as perfect and definitive as you once thought.

Bull. It's not nit picky at all when Nolan has worked extremely hard to ground his Bat films in as much realism as possible, then throw almost all of it away in TDKR. We've been made to expect a certain level of realism in this Batman Trilogy, so I think it's completely fair to bring up the lack of it in this movie, especially when the trailers marketed it the way they did.

 

[Reikowolf]

Man...I don't know if Batman could have handled Bane & the Joker at the same time! But that's a great idea!

I don't even know if the Joker could have handled Bane & vice versa...Bane showed no mercy on anyone!

But now that I think about it...it would make sense that Crane was the judge, simply because of his ties to Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows in BB.

I agree. Crane was a good choice

But having the Joker would have been a good call back to "trial" from TAS and TDK joker would have reveled in Bane's Gotham.

Indiscriminately judging people and simply "watching the world burn"

I also had another idea which I will keep to myself for now but if things line up. I may post a video in October-November that I hope you all enjoy

 

[KingMadness]

ROFL Just came back. That was no Batman movie. That was a great movie in general, but in terms of a Batman movie, it was a piss poor excuse. I saw no semblance of Batman in this movie. I saw an ordinary man.

I'll be back more in depth, but just lmfao. No planning, preparation, gadgets, what the **** lmfao

 

[Reikowolf]

Bull. It's not nit picky at all when Nolan has worked extremely hard to ground his Bat films in as much realism as possible, then throw almost all of it away in TDKR. We've been made to expect a certain level of realism in this Batman Trilogy, so I think it's completely fair to bring up the lack of it in this movie, especially when the trailers marketed it the way they did.

I respect your opinion but I would argue that realism takes a back seat to great story telling. Many people who really enjoyed the crime drama elements of TDK felt betrayed by the more "fantastical" elements of this movie. I had a conversation with a guy who hated TDKR about this.

I would argue that there is a much more real and scary element to the TDKR due to the terrorism and police state elements.

Let's not forget the fear toxin and poisoning Gothams water supply in begins, let alone the practicality of how two-faces eye and jaw worked in TDK. You could argue these elements as well as get really nit picky about how did the joker get his victims DNA on the joker card in TDK

I think Nolan handled the realism in all 3 movies masterfully. I'm sorry you didnt feel the same way.

 

[KingMadness]

lmfso that was no Batman movie. Great movie in general but a piss poor Batman movie

more in depth later

 

[LostSon88]

Yeah you said that already.

 

[KingMadness]

LOL What the hell did I just watch? The Dark Knight Rises was a great movie in general, but a piss poor excuse for a Batman movie. What kind of lousy Batman doesn't do any planning, preparation, doesn't have any useful gadgets, and is stupid as hell? Not the Batman I grew up reading.

1) So you mean to tell me Batman walked around with no gadgets? I accept that he got beat in a fist fight with Bane, but to not use any gadgets? WTF happened to the Batarangs? Plastic Explosive grenades? Smoke capsules? Bat darts? Bat Goo Gun? Bat Stun gun? Brass knuckles? What in holy hell did he have in his utility belt? Pieces of ass? What in the ****?

If Batman used gadgets and Bane outsmarted him at each turn, I could completely accept that. But the dude doesn't even dig into his utility belt, except one time for the most useless gadget I've ever seen in my entire life? He walked around like that? We are supposed to believe Batman walked around completely unprepared, with no gadgets, like a dumbass?

2) To walk right into it all with no anticipation? The cynical, cool, calculating, prepared Batman we all know and love just trusts Catwoman?

3) Batman WOULD NEVER ABANDON GOTHAM AFTER ONE YEAR OF BEING BATMAN. You can't tell me nothing, he just wouldn't do it. It doesn't matter if all the criminals magically dissipated, there will always be crime. No place on earth is a goddamn utopia that doesn't need to be looked after.

4) So in the Nolan-verse we are supposed to believe Mr. Freeze never existed, Poison Ivy never existed, Deadshot never existed, The Penguin never existed, Harley Quinn never existed, The Riddler never existed, Killer Croc never existed? We are supposed to believe they were able to keep the Joker locked up for 8 years? That is not a Batman universe I can accept. Ever. That is unacceptable. Unprecedented. Unfounded. Unbelievable. Unacceptable. Was there a problem with not having Bruce retire and let there be a mention of Batman having locked everyone up in Arkham, then Bane comes in? I can accept that.

5) We saw throat cancer Batman for about maybe 25-30 minutes in a goddamn 2 hour and 45 minute movie. Years from now, I will tell my kids of this day, and we'll laugh at this notion.

6) Catwoman was better than Batman. This is the second movie in which Batman has been outshined, the last being TDK with the Joker. This wouldn't be a bad thing by any means if it didn't take so LITTLE to actually outshine Batman in this film.

7) What the hell has Bruce been doing in his house for 8 years? Watching porn? Why the **** is he limping around? So you mean to tell me Bruce Wayne moped around his house for 8 years, without getting some surgery, rehabilitation, at least making sure his body was ready if he needed to be Batman again? Maybe making some new gadgets, learning new things, giving to the poor in other ways? He just stayed in his house? This is the most pathetic version of Batman I've ever seen in my entire life, from comics, to television, to movies.

I forget what it was, but I once read this comic with Batman and Superman where when they both retired, Supes became a farmer like his father and Bruce become a doctor like his father. Bruce Wayne's conviction to help those in need by any means necessary is a core element of his character. It would have made more sense for Bruce to be giving to charities, helping the needy and poor in other ways. But to just mope around his house? That is no Bruce I've known, seen, or read. That is a pathetic excuse for a Bruce Wayne, for a Batman. I cannot accept that version of the character, by any means.

Bane was fantastic, Catwoman was fantastic, Batman was the worst part of the movie.....in a Batman movie. Well **** me senseless. My closing sentiment: At least in the Joel Batman movies, Batman was the featured character.

 

[Alienous]

Ok, here are my raw, unedited opinions on The Dark Knight Rises (I just came back from the Cinema, infact). Please read. Yes, it might be long, but this isn't a penguin book. I want to raise some points that you might not have thought of. If you don't have the time, look at the bold lettering to see a point I consider interesting.


The Dark Knight Rises is a great film. It have varying levels of complexity and is very intricately woven. It is, however, with its glaring flaws.

This film is dense. Extremely dense. If you miss a scene you are at risk of missing your foothold on the rest of the plot. Some may call it economic story telling, but I think that it is a film trying to do too much. This density is not even consistant. Just how did Bruce get back from the pit? His bat-passport? Getting into America without a passport would be difficult enough, but the National Guard has put a perimeter around all of Gotham. There is a cool twist involving Bane and Tate's origins, but does that mean that Bane didn't actually grow up in a prison? It's one thing to not respect a character origins, but another entirely to flaunt it at your audience. Alas, I forgive them, I got goosebumps when Bane said "I will break you", the proceeded to shatter Batman's spine (ok, dislocate a vertabrae) over his knee after holding him above his head. Epic. I could have yelled out at that moment.

Bale's performance is great. He sells the idea of Bruce/Batman being someone in pain. When he straps up his knee and is ready to go crimefighting you believe that this is someone not entirely sane (if you didn't already get that vibe from the bat costume). He has really grown over the three films, but why did I need to be reminded of those? It certainly doesn't pander to the core audience, and the general audience will still have no clue what is going on ("Did he way 'Why do we fall'? Was that Bruce's father?). I also have no idea why he lies near the end to everyone. Isn't the story about how lies spiral out of control. "Nope, no autopilot, I'll have to die with the bomb ... just kidding". I've even heard someone say "What if Alfred is dreaming at the end". God, let that not be true. I don't need another Inception.

Bane does not work as a sympathetic villain. He appears to be the pawn of Daggett, but that ends up being false. He is actually just protecting the daughter of the man he claims to be fufilling the role of. I can't feel sorry for this man, he snaps people's necks like he's breaking a wishbone.

Catwoman. She's 'aight.

Talia. Another case of killing a character before they reach their potential. Why show that Bruce and Talia are intimate if that does not spawn a pregnancy and child? It would make a lot of sense regarding Talia's upbringing in these films. Damian should have had a presence. I'd prefer an epiologue of Talia with a baby bump over 'Robin' finding the Batcave, or Alfred in a cafe with Bruce and Selina. Batman doesn't deserve a happy ending, with Catwoman no less. She's a thief. It's the only thing she is good at. It is central to the character that she and Bruce, despite being made for eachother, can not be together. They are opposite sides of the same coin, and can't meaningfully meet.

And 'Robin'. What the hell? If you want fan service have him say "My birth name is Dick Grayson". Maybe that doesn't respect their circus origins, but it lets the audience fill in the blank space. If any other director had a line in which a character states "My real name is Robin" they would get a swift and relentless backhand from the fans. Hell, even Goyer would cringe if he saw that. And how 'Robin' figures out Batman's identity? Lazy story telling.

Also, the plot is generally lacking. What the heck is this 'clean slate'? Why is the threat so contrived? It's like they thought "What, the new Spiderman movie is taking Batman Begins' plot device? Ok, we'll take Spiderman 2's".

It's a good film, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't stand up to The Dark Knight.

 

[Quasimod0]

LOL What the hell did I just watch? The Dark Knight Rises was a great movie in general, but a piss poor excuse for a Batman movie. What kind of lousy Batman doesn't do any planning, preparation, doesn't have any useful gadgets, and is stupid as hell? Not the Batman I grew up reading.

1) So you mean to tell me Batman walked around with no gadgets? I accept that he got beat in a fist fight with Bane, but to not use any gadgets? WTF happened to the Batarangs? Plastic Explosive grenades? Smoke capsules? Bat darts? Bat Goo Gun? Bat Stun gun? Brass knuckles? What in holy hell did he have in his utility belt? Pieces of ass? What in the ****?

If Batman used gadgets and Bane outsmarted him at each turn, I could completely accept that. But the dude doesn't even dig into his utility belt, except one time for the most useless gadget I've ever seen in my entire life? He walked around like that? We are supposed to believe Batman walked around completely unprepared, with no gadgets, like a dumbass?

2) To walk right into it all with no anticipation? The cynical, cool, calculating, prepared Batman we all know and love just trusts Catwoman?

3) Batman WOULD NEVER ABANDON GOTHAM AFTER ONE YEAR OF BEING BATMAN. You can't tell me nothing, he just wouldn't do it. It doesn't matter if all the criminals magically dissipated, there will always be crime. No place on earth is a goddamn utopia that doesn't need to be looked after.

4) So in the Nolan-verse we are supposed to believe Mr. Freeze never existed, Poison Ivy never existed, Deadshot never existed, The Penguin never existed, Harley Quinn never existed, The Riddler never existed, Killer Croc never existed? We are supposed to believe they were able to keep the Joker locked up for 8 years? That is not a Batman universe I can accept. Ever. That is unacceptable. Unprecedented. Unfounded. Unbelievable. Unacceptable. Was there a problem with not having Bruce retire and let there be a mention of Batman having locked everyone up in Arkham, then Bane comes in? I can accept that.

5) We saw throat cancer Batman for about maybe 25-30 minutes in a goddamn 2 hour and 45 minute movie. Years from now, I will tell my kids of this day, and we'll laugh at this notion.

6) Catwoman was better than Batman. This is the second movie in which Batman has been outshined, the last being TDK with the Joker. This wouldn't be a bad thing by any means if it didn't take so LITTLE to actually outshine Batman in this film.

7) What the hell has Bruce been doing in his house for 8 years? Watching porn? Why the **** is he limping around? So you mean to tell me Bruce Wayne moped around his house for 8 years, without getting some surgery, rehabilitation, at least making sure his body was ready if he needed to be Batman again? Maybe making some new gadgets, learning new things, giving to the poor in other ways? He just stayed in his house? This is the most pathetic version of Batman I've ever seen in my entire life, from comics, to television, to movies.

I forget what it was, but I once read this comic with Batman and Superman where when they both retired, Supes became a farmer like his father and Bruce become a doctor like his father. Bruce Wayne's conviction to help those in need by any means necessary is a core element of his character. It would have made more sense for Bruce to be giving to charities, helping the needy and poor in other ways. But to just mope around his house? That is no Bruce I've known, seen, or read. That is a pathetic excuse for a Bruce Wayne, for a Batman. I cannot accept that version of the character, by any means.

Bane was fantastic, Catwoman was fantastic, Batman was the worst part of the movie.....in a Batman movie. Well **** me senseless. My closing sentiment: At least in the Joel Batman movies, Batman was the featured character.

First off, I think you're insane. Though I do agree with a few things you said.
Wish batman would've used some gadgets. That's sort of his thing ya know. Also, I think batman could've been in it some more. But these movies are more about Bruce as a person than batman himself

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

It was a decent film. I wouldn't see it again and for my money there is another summer blockbuster that I saw multiple times that was better. I wont say which one but they had a h....

 

[Alienous]

Oh, yeah, in addition Alfred just get's mistreated. Bruce would really take Catwoman away, and allow Alfred to mourn? HE'S GONE THROUGH TWO FUNERALS FOR YOU ALREADY, BRUCE, DAMMIT.

Plus, the sewer fight is lacking drama. I already (due to marketing) know how it's going to end, so you have to try harder to keep me excited. The film fails in this respect, with a lack of music only adding to the dullness of the scene.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Bull. It's not nit picky at all when Nolan has worked extremely hard to ground his Bat films in as much realism as possible, then throw almost all of it away in TDKR. We've been made to expect a certain level of realism in this Batman Trilogy, so I think it's completely fair to bring up the lack of it in this movie, especially when the trailers marketed it the way they did.

But you're complaining about the Bat Plane...There's also no way the Batmobile wouldn't killed tons of cops in Begins. If you wanted to complain about the fact no one could make that jump that really didn't seem exceedingly difficult then thats fine. Or the whole nuke thing just, then yeah thats fair, but I don't want to hear about how the Batplane wouldn't fly. THAT IS NIT PICKY!

 

[DeathChill]

I really enjoyed the fighting, the best in the series for sure. However, almost everything else fell so flat for me. Some of Bane's lines were awesome (e.g. "Do you feel in control?"), but that really is the only other thing that stood out for me.