Terminator Salvation: Box Office Prediction/Discussion

[I SEE SPIDEY]

ROFL Watchmen made more opening weekend lol

and of course jackman and wolverine have more fans 1 is ranked sexist man alive while the other is seen as a dick who ranted on an employee

wolverine is as popular as spiderman with the kids also

I wouldn't say Wolverine was as popular as Spider-Man in any demographic.

 

[Crook]

I like Bale but I don't believe that he is as big as the fanboys make him out to be. This movie is his genre and it did not perform well enough, at all.

Well yeah, that's because barring anyone named Will Smith, no action blockbuster is a guaranteed hit on the actor's name alone. Not to mention that at the end of the day, a hit is determined by how the movie is received by the audiences. The stars honestly don't even matter in the long run.

 

[bullets]

I dont think it will even surpass how much Terminator 3 made. (150mil)

I think part of what hurt this movie is following Terminator 3 . That movie killed the franchise for alot of people . I expected this film to do better though. Sadly It will drop down to 3 or 4 next week .

 

[DieSmiling]

I don't think you can blame this on Bale -- personally, outside of a very few select celebrities with strong followings, I don't think there are many stars that truly draw an audience on their own -- most people won't see a movie they think looks bad just because their favorite star is in it. I think good trailers and marketing are responsible for getting people to want to see a movie, and good word of mouth is what gives it legs.

I'm honestly surprised to see the movie did so poorly. My two initial thoughts are A) people really weren't that interested in seeing a Terminator movie about a future war and B) it looked to dreary/dark/depressing for most people. I assume that kept the kiddie audience away (that and a lack of knowledge of the series based on its R-rated history)...

Personally I thought the movie looked pretty cool and I enjoyed it... Much better than T3 and a welcome addition to the series, IMHO.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I would like to see a T5 though. I think it can be greatly improved upon. And I wouldn't mind McG back if he learned from his mistakes and could execute the ideas better. Like I said before, he has the right ideas, I mean listen to what he said, how he talked about the film was better than the film itself, but if only he could execute those ideas better. There were traces where I could see him as a great director. My favorite scene in particular.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I'm honestly surprised to see the movie did so poorly. My two initial thoughts are A) people really weren't that interested in seeing a Terminator movie about a future war and B) it looked to dreary/dark/depressing for most people. I assume that kept the kiddie audience away (that and a lack of knowledge of the series based on its R-rated history)...

I read a thread that was praising Star Trek for being something other than a grim post 9/11 movie. Something uplifting like "Night at the Museum" too.

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=93566

I'm tired of it!

Tired of all the post 9/11 doom and gloom that we see in movies. They're everywhere! Come at us from all sides in all seasons on both screens! Big! And! Small! The movies tell us that like is a ***** and we're all gonna die and everything in between birth and death is just suffering and pain and...

ARGH!

The biggest movie of last year was Dark Knight. It was for all it's plot absurdities an extremely well put together movie with a fantastic performance by Heath Ledger.

It's also as depressing as ****!

 

[daywalker2007]

Well this movie had a lot of things going against it. Bad critic reviews, opening on a thursday was a mistake because then word spread by friday that most people didn't like the movie, Bale's rant on the lighting guy was bad publicity, I don't think that the trailer with the Nine Inch Nails music playing was really something that appealed to the mainstream public. The harvester that they kept showing in the commercials looked ridiculous. Plus you gotta think of the environment we are living in right now, a lot of families want to see a more upbeat film to take their minds off how much the world sucks now so seeing a desolate dreary war movie might not be what people need right now. Plus something I mentioned before was that because it's memorial day weekend a lot of parents take their kids to the movies and they all went and saw NATM 2

In my opinion its a case of the chickens coming home to roost. The people in charge of this film thought they could get away by grabbing the rights to the Terminator and continuing the story as quickly as possible.

Jonathan Mostow raped and pillaged the story with T3, an unneccessary weak comedic lame attempt of a rehash of T2 with a crappy typical hollywood style ending. An insult to Jim Cameron which is what T3 was.

Now we get McG, and while his movie is marginally better than Mostow's, and his intentions may have been good.

Its quite obviously a complete waste of money. $200 million dollars for that?
For what was largely desert sequences, I'm literally stunned at the cost of this movie.

Imagine that money in Jim Cameron's hands, you would have got something visually spectacular, something to push the sfx technology to new levels.
Instead, we got a couple of the late great Stan Winstons' sfx work, along with some CGI overloaded Terminators.

And to top it off, one of the worst soundtrack scores I have ever heard in my life for a futuristic sci fi movie.
Danny Elfman's "terminator" score was a joke, a pitiful excuse which did nothing more than remind the fans that without Jim Cameron and without Brad Fiedel, the "essence" of the Terminator was never there.

The fact that they mislead the hardcore fans by using the Fiedel's themes in the trailers, yet when it came to the movie, it was largely Elfman's crappy score.

The fact that Salvation got raped at the box office by Night of the museum 2 just sums it up.

A complete waste of time and money for a story which did not need to be told.

Bale says "this is not the future my mother warned me about".
Damn right mate, its nothing like it, its downright amateur.


Jim Cameron's future war sequences in the first and second terminator movies, which probably amounted to less than 10 minutes, were better than McG's entire movie.

A failure of epic proportions.
It makes Watchmen's box office look like The Dark Knight's.

 

[That-Guy]

I still have yet to see T:S (going tomorrow) but these box office numbers are pretty disappointing. I'm still hoping that I'll enjoy it, but all I've been hearing is that (once again) instead of getting a movie about John Conner, this supposedly great, influential leader, he's once again pushed to the background in favor of some other guy whom I have no reason to care about.

Oh well. At least Star Trek was awesome.

 

[lespaul59]

I'm also kinda surprised at the box office for T:S but at the same time it had Night at the Museum open this weekend. Not to mention it's compeating with Angels and Demons, Star Trek and Wolverine still. I think when you look at it this has been a pretty crowded month for big time movies.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Wow. I'm guessing the only successful movies this summer will be Trek, Potter, Transformers & maybe Up.

 

[TheVileOne]

Angels And Demons is not significant competition. Why are now people only bringing up Night At The Museum 2. 3 weeks ago this wasn't the case.

 

[Paradoxium]

I read a thread that was praising Star Trek for being something other than a grim post 9/11 movie. Something uplifting like "Night at the Museum" too.

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=93566

"plot absurdities an extremely well put together" oh the delicious irony

 

[Ita-KalEl]

They have canned the Superman sequel for this flop...

 

[The Dark Defender]

It also sends a message not to make a mediocre movie.

Unlike the message Transformers sent, "make a horrible excuse for a movie and make over $300 mill."

 

[Crook]

Unlike the message Transformers sent, "make a horrible excuse for a movie and make over $300 mill."

Message being, you can still make a film that would be looked down upon by many cinematic aficionados, but if it's entertaining and grabs the core audiences, you'll at least make money.

 

[Paradoxium]

They have canned the Superman sequel for this flop...

For what it is worth, the fail is more on Halcyon who provided more of the funding (and would receive most of the not-likely-to-happen profit). SR was more of a Legendary/WB endeavor.

 

[dude stannis]

This can still do T3 money. T3 had Pirates of the Caribbean to contend with the week after, Transformers 2 isn't out for another month.

I wouldn't say Wolverine was as popular as Spider-Man in any demographic.

Males from 16 and older.

 

[terry78]

I suspect June is going to have a dark horse sleeper hit. One movie that comes out next month(not Transformers) is going to be a surprise of the summer and bust out with like 200 mil domestic.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Message being, you can still make a film that would be looked down upon by many cinematic aficionados, but if it's entertaining and grabs the core audiences, you'll at least make money.

Message being, general audiences idea of "great entertainment" is a film so horrendously unfocused that it can't follow it's own story for more than five consecutive minutes without resorting to same unfunny comedy bit, that exploits every after school special kiddy show cliche in the book, and has one incompetently edited action sequence after another.
As for grabbing the core audience, I've loved Transformers since childhood, long before I was a film aficianado...and that movie disgusts me beyond description.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

They have canned the Superman sequel for this flop...

T4 moving forward had nothing to do with Superman.

 

[TheVileOne]

Honestly, this is one of the weakest summers ever, and its mostly because of the writer's strike IMHO.

I mean Night At The Museum was horrible, but Night At The Museum 2, good God even worst. Its not going to make anywhere near the money the first one did either.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

T4 moving forward had nothing to do with Superman.

Maybe, but I wonder if someone at WB thinks that a good Superman sequel would have been better than SpeedRacer, Watchmen or T:S.

 

[Paradoxium]

Superman sequel? You mean reboot right

 

[Lighthouse]

With the exception of the Dark Knight(and it is a fairly big exception), has been having some bad summers the last few years.

EDIT: Forgot about HP: Order of the Phoenix.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Superman sequel? You mean reboot right

Reboot, sequel...the fact is that even a garbage with the name Superman would make more money than TS, Watchmen or SpeedRacer. IMO the decision to put on hold the franchise is a shame.