The '08 election

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his real name is Willard Mitt Romney.....and he does come off as a BSer
 
SentinelMind said:
The Republican side....it seems it will most likely be Romney. Romney is securing the pro-life base behind him, Dobson is determined to prevent Rudy, a pro-choicer from winning the nomination....Thompson has a chance, but he seems too lazy and he can't build a base with Dobson securing it for Romney. No matter what you think of Romney (boring, flipflopping opportunistic businessman), he has the foundation and style to win the primaries.
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Actually it seems very likely that Romney will not get the nomination. Not enough people know about him and he's too much of a flip-flopper (who puts John Kerry to shame). I think that this election is going to prove the most that money will not buy you votes.

The Republican nom is going to be Giuliani or Thompson.
 
^the prolife movement will not concede power to a pro-choicer like Rudy in GOP primary. Romney is ahead right now in Iowa and New Hampshire.....he has more money in his own bank account than the other candidates. He already won a previous Iowa straw poll (he bought it yes, but people love a "winner"

The candidate with the best organization structure wins the race....Romney, boring as he and flipflopper, knows how to isolate groups and pander.. I really don't care how people perceive a candidate.....people's perception of candidates change all the time (GWBush, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Obama)...people vote for what they know...and Romney fits the bill as what they know more than Rudy...he's a safer candidate than a Rudy and he will fight harder than a Thompson.

Thompson has a chance, but he needs fire in the belly...people like Dobson have already sworn they'll oppose him as well because Thompson won't openly discuss his religious faith. Romney might be fake, but he's smart and knows how to pander and get that deal. Thompson has the "image", but not the rhetoric..and the whole "I'm a real Republican" BS isn't cutting it...everyone is using that from McCain to Huckabee.
 
Thompson put everyone to sleep during his debate debut. He was boring, uninspiring and didn't say anything at all that was even remotely note worthy. He's a non-factor in this election. Plus Dobson seems more focused on taking the people he doesn't like down with him since he seems to already understand he's not getting the nomination, and he definitely doesn't like Thompson. If the Republicans put Romney or Giuliani up for the nom, both of those guys will get eaten alive by smear campaigns. Romney's got A LOT more consistency issues that Kerry ever had and there's enough publicly known dirt on Giuliani to build a new mountain range somewhere, let alone all the stuff that hasn't come out into the light that surely would during the race. The Republicans have nobody this time out. They're really in trouble.

jag
 
i dont think Giuliani is all that bad , i think i can understand his motives
 
Matt said:
Romney vs. Clinton...whoever wins, we lose. :csad:

I mean, we have an insincere, insider, politician vs an insincere, insider, politican with a really stupid name. I guess I'll vote Hilary because I don't want my president named after a piece of baseball equipment :csad:
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You talk big for Hillary and I suspect you are in the hillary camp. I know you "say" Richardson, but that just to hide the fact that you really like Hillary; yet, disquise yourself as a Richardson supporter. You defend Hillary alot more that you tout Richardson.

You mimic the bad things most feel and say about Hillary, while simultaneously defend, support, and tout her "so-call" record and experience, which she doesn't have. You spend more time discussing why Hillary "should" win, then you do why Richardson is best qualified as you say.

You are a closet Hillary supporter, and you know it.... it written in the majority of your post on this matter. You say one thing, but believe another. I guess I shouldn't be surprise.... you obviously learn from the best.... Hillary & Bill Clinton.

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Bottomline... the elction will be between to Socialist, Rudy and Hillary. The only way Hillary will win, will be if she plays the 92' playbook.... a third party candidate with a Conservative/Domestic Background siphoning votes from and splitting the Republican Party. Thompson will end up a third party candidate, because he knows he will not win the Republican Nomination. That's why the CMM(Clinton Media Machine) touts Thompson as some kind of Conservative, when he is no more a Conservative than either one of the Bushes are... father or son. CMM will try to influence Thompson or possibly someone else like a Ron Paul to become a dark horse Third Party Candidate. That's the Hillary playbook.
 
StorminNorman said:
That article is far from damning.

It is an incredibly biased piece by a writer with clear anti-Rudy sentiments. Hardly the smoking gun you are making it out to be.
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Just read through. I agree with your sentiments.
 
StorminNorman said:
That article is far from damning.

It is an incredibly biased piece by a writer with clear anti-Rudy sentiments. Hardly the smoking gun you are making it out to be.
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He's The Devil, dude. :down Hillary's not much better, though.

jag
 
On a side note. Hilary does not where pants. Did she get her sex change completed yet?
 
It makes me sad that the highest office in the land isnt about one's own accomplishments and qualifications, but about making the other candidates look more inept than you......
 
BlackLantern said:
It makes me sad that the highest office in the land isnt about one's own accomplishments and qualifications, but about making the other candidates look more inept than you......
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Sadly the ones that avoid that approach do somehow go down in the polls. People aren't respecting Obama when he avoids joining in with Edwards to knock Hilary down a peg. :-/
 
BlackLantern said:
thats why she wears the long skirt....to hide her balls....
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That was supposed to read as "If Hilary does not where pants..." btw in case people didn't know what I meant.

She is afraid to be a woman thinking it will screw her chances of election I guess.
 
It's not that I don't respect Obama, its that he doesn't make me believe he can be President.....
 
Venom'sDad said:
You talk big for Hillary and I suspect you are in the hillary camp. I know you "say" Richardson, but that just to hide the fact that you really like Hillary; yet, disquise yourself as a Richardson supporter. You defend Hillary alot more that you tout Richardson.
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What? The very post you are quoting is me insulting Hilary. If it comes down to Hilary and Romney, I probably will vote Hilary. That doesn't change the fact I am voting Richardson in the primary (assuming he doesn't drop out by PA's turn to vote, and if he does I will likely vote Edwards or Kucinich. Edwards if he still has a chance of beating Hilary and Obama or Kucinich if it is a purely symbolic vote).

You mimic the bad things most feel and say about Hillary, while simultaneously defend, support, and tout her "so-call" record and experience, which she doesn't have. You spend more time discussing why Hillary "should" win, then you do why Richardson is best qualified as you say.
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I've stated why Richardson is experienced and best qualified numerous times. As for Hilary, the "defense" is my saying she has more experience than Obama, I guess? She does. Hilary was running committees during Bill's time in office. Not to mention she has a full term up on Obama. I say she is more experienced than Obama because she is.

You are a closet Hillary supporter, and you know it.... it written in the majority of your post on this matter. You say one thing, but believe another. I guess I shouldn't be surprise.... you obviously learn from the best.... Hillary & Bill Clinton.
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No I'm not. In fact, I have said on numerous times I would vote Giulliani over Hilary :huh: Why not pull your head from your ass and read my posts before saying such stupid things?
 
StorminNorman said:
Fine, then you will be able to provide something more convincing then what equates to little more than an immature smear piece.
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You haven't done anything to discredit any of what's in that piece other than to say "Oh, the writer's biased and it's just a smear piece". *shrug* Giuliani is a fascist and a crooked businessman. He fits right in with the GOP, I won't argue that. But he's not the kind of guy I want running my country.

Tell you what. Here's some more fun goodies on good ol' Rudy:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071029/berman/2

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/niall_stanage/2006/12/post_851.html

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/06/13/rudy-giuliani-says-hey-guys-im-a-fascist-pig/

http://www.nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=13804&group=webcast

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117850248912794086.html

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Illusion-Untold-Story-Giuliani/dp/0060536608

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=6511938

http://www.airamerica.com/node/4071


And there is TONS more where that came from. If this stuff is out in the public eye, I can't imagine what he's hiding in his closets that will surely fall out at some point in all of this electoral hub-bub.


jag
 
jaguarr said:
You haven't done anything to discredit any of what's in that piece other than to say "Oh, the writer's biased and it's just a smear piece". *shrug* Giuliani is a fascist and a crooked businessman. He fits right in with the GOP, I won't argue that. But he's not the kind of guy I want running my country.

jag
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The article you posted eariler was so riddled with cheap shots, low blows and similarity immature, unprofessional details that it has no value.

Certainly you wouldn't take an Ann Coulter article on Obama at face value, instantly dismissing it for garbage. This article has the same integrity.

EDIT: I will read the articles you posted and respond. Though it will probably not be until tomorrow.
 
StorminNorman said:
The article you posted eariler was so riddled with cheap shots, low blows and similarity immature, unprofessional details that it has no value.

Certainly you wouldn't take an Ann Coulter article on Obama at face value, instantly dismissing it for garbage. This article has the same integrity.

EDIT: I will read the articles you posted and respond. Though it will probably not be until tomorrow.
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The facts outlined in that article still carry weight, snarkiness of the writer aside. That article has been reviewed a thousand times over for lies or improper facts by a lot of different people and I've never seen it discredited. I HAVE seen Coulter get discredit completely for making things up and flat out lying about things, though. So, no, I wouldn't put them on the same level.

jag
 
jaguarr said:
You haven't done anything to discredit any of what's in that piece other than to say "Oh, the writer's biased and it's just a smear piece". *shrug* Giuliani is a fascist and a crooked businessman. He fits right in with the GOP, I won't argue that. But he's not the kind of guy I want running my country.

Tell you what. Here's some more fun goodies on good ol' Rudy:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071029/berman/2

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/niall_stanage/2006/12/post_851.html

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/06/13/rudy-giuliani-says-hey-guys-im-a-fascist-pig/

http://www.nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=13804&group=webcast

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117850248912794086.html

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Illusion-Untold-Story-Giuliani/dp/0060536608

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=6511938

http://www.airamerica.com/node/4071


And there is TONS more where that came from. If this stuff is out in the public eye, I can't imagine what he's hiding in his closets that will surely fall out at some point in all of this electoral hub-bub.


jag
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I wouldn't be surprised if Gewls has a man sized safe in his office.:o
 
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