The 2012 South Carolina Primary

[hippie_hunter]

...quite a few of us around here have said Mitt Romney is the GOP equivalent of John Kerry since the beginning.

Except in the beginning, he really wasn't. He was more Nixonian in nature than John Kerry. He knew what he was saying and how to say it to win votes as opposed to coming off as a complete boob. He was also very calculating. There was no way Obama could beat this Mitt Romney.

The Romney of this week though, definitely John Kerry territory. This Romney however, can very easily be beaten by Obama if he keeps acting this way.

 

[SV Fan]

Except in the beginning, he really wasn't. He was more Nixonian in nature than John Kerry. He knew what he was saying and how to say it to win votes as opposed to coming off as a complete boob. He was also very calculating. There was no way Obama could beat this Mitt Romney.

The Romney of this week though, definitely John Kerry territory. This Romney however, can very easily be beaten by Obama if he keeps acting this way.

Romney has always been in the John Kerry/Al Gore/George Bush Sr mold in the sense they just come off wooden and stuff they say sometimes comes out forced. Kerry just stands out a bit more for comparison sake because they both from Massachusetts and they also have the term "flip flopper" associated with them

 

[hippie_hunter]

You can apply a lot of those arguments about Nixon though. And just like Nixon, Romney attempted to portray this sense of inevitability that is now blowing up in his face.

 

[SV Fan]

You can apply a lot of those arguments about Nixon though. And just like Nixon, Romney attempted to portray this sense of inevitability that is now blowing up in his face.

Nixon wasn't that wooden, he just seemed grumpy.

 

[enterthemadness]

You can apply a lot of those arguments about Nixon though. And just like Nixon, Romney attempted to portray this sense of inevitability that is now blowing up in his face.

Doesn't help Romney out that Santorum looks bored out of his mind every so often when he talks. I hope Santorum goes to Florida. I like him vs Paul and Santorum looking bored when old Flip-Flop talks. Why, sometimes I use my phone when Romney talks.

Santorum: Yea, whatever flip-flopper.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Nixon wasn't that wooden, he just seemed grumpy.

Gingrich strikes me as more Nixon than Romney.

Grumpy, scolding, self-righteous, slightly sleazy...

 

[Pagan]

Romney and Gingrich are such phonies. Both are professional liars. Romney has problems being personable. He's an elitist who wants you to think he's Joe Everyman but he's not.
He lies about being "one of the 80-90%" He has offshore bank accounts with millions sitting in the Cayman Islands. He has mansions all over the country. He's a corporate raider/vulture capitalist. A perfect representative of the GOP establishment but he doesn't connect with the base. I mean c'mon this guy is a Mormon.

Gingrich just loves this country so much it made him cheat on two wives. He's a firebrand though and loves to throw the red meat to the base. He has a lot of baggage and his lack of family values will hurt him. He's a longtime Washington insider.

Santorum clearly has the fundies supporting him. And he's consistent. But to me he appears to be too meek and diplomatic for the job. The GOP like their men strong and assertive.

This is why I have a feeling the GOP will have trouble getting people out to the polls. No one really has it all. The business acumen/gravitas of Romney,the passion and political savvy of Newt and the authenticity of Santorum.

Except Ron Paul. But the GOP establishment will never let him near the whitehouse. He's not in the pockets of the military industrial media complex.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Gingrich strikes me as more Nixon than Romney.

Grumpy, scolding, self-righteous, slightly sleazy...

Slightly?

 

[SV Fan]

This is why I have a feeling the GOP will have trouble getting people out to the polls. No one really has it all. The business acumen/gravitas of Romney,the passion and political savvy of Newt and the authenticity of Santorum.

Getting Obama out will be the motivation. Look at Kerry he really wasn't that personable but he barely lost to Bush Jr(Kerry was 100k votes in Ohio from winning the election) on the basis people wanted Bush out.

All I know is it's going to be a very dirty election on both sides(especially with Super Pac money)

 

[Venom'sDad]

The Left fears Gingrich more than Romney, because Romney is closer to their perspective. Same here on this forum.

 

[SV Fan]

The Left fears Gingrich more than Romney, because Romney is closer to their perspective. Same here on this forum.

I think the left prays for Gingrich. I don't think Gingrich gets as much support from independent/moderate voters(ie the people who decide the election). Gingrich feeds the far right of the party but his style of politics turn of people who are looking more for substance over style.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You must have not notice how independents/moderates are abandoning Obama.

 

[SV Fan]

You must have not notice how independents/moderates are abandoning Obama.

Better of 2 evils is what this election will come down to and it's much easier passing off Romney as the better alternative to Obama then Gingrich to moderate/independent voters. What works for Gingrich in the republican field doesn't work for a national election

 

[Venom'sDad]

That is your belief, which is more Left; so, of course you would feel that way. However, there is a whole segment of America who does not see it that way.

Voting for the "lesser of two-evils" is the reason why this country is in the condiction that it is and easy to control the masses. A perfect example why, the country needs more viable choices. Unfortunately.....

 

[SV Fan]

That is your belief, which is more Left; so, of course you would feel that way. However, there is a whole segment of America who does not see it that way.

Voting for the "lesser of two-evils" is the reason why this country is in the condiction that it is and easy to control the masses. A perfect example why, the country needs more viable choices. Unfortunately.....

I just believe on a whole that independent/moderate voters don't buy as much into campaign rhetoric and judge more on issues and character of a candidate.

I just don't think Gingrich's rhetoric that works so well with the far right will come off positively with the more centrists voter who can see through his BS. In general candidates who are closer to the center politically are more likely to get moderate/independent voters.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The left fears Romney because he can actually win. The worst case scenario for the left is if Romney gets an easy path to the nomination. Gingrich would be a dream come true for them. He has no shot of beating Obama. Like it or not, independents decide the election and they hate Gingrich even more than they hate Obama.

 

[SentinelMind]

The Left fears Gingrich more than Romney, because Romney is closer to their perspective. Same here on this forum.

The Left may fear a Gingrich presidency more than a Romney presidency, but I am sure they prefer campaigning against Gingrich (who has decades of bad baggage) than Romney.

Nixon was a crooked politician, but he gave off an impression as law-and-order by the books "grumpy but somebody's gotta get their hands dirty" politician. Somebody you didn't necessarily like but respected to get the job done. He also had a relatively clean personal life.

Gingrich comes off as an egomaniac in public splotlight with reputation of screwing over so many people and being the ultimate hypocrite. I don't think he can beat Obama based on what we both know about both candidates.

So I don't necessarily feel Gingrich is going to come off looking like 68 or even 60 Nixon, if that's analogy people are using. Nixon at least seemed trustworthy just not likeable.
Gingrich is neither.

Romney has a better chance in my opinion.

 

[SV Fan]

So I don't necessarily feel Gingrich is going to come off looking like 68 or even 60 Nixon, if that's analogy people are using. Nixon at least seemed trustworthy just not likeable.

I actually find Gingrich likeable in a funny drunk uncle at Christmas dinner kind of way, but that's not the guy I would want to deal with foreign leaders

 

[enterthemadness]

I hope Gingrich beats Romney. Just to drag this nomination out. Which is better for Paul..in a way.

Paul may actually finish in last place, 4th, tonight. I think it's gonna be Paul with 16% in 3rd with Santorum in 4th at 12%, or the other way around.

I don't see Paul getting at least 20% of the vote again until Nevada. He's already running tv ads in Nevada and Minnesota. I think Paul can win a caccus or primary if it's between Romney, Gingrich and him. But it will be like a Iowa type win. Close.

 

[chaseter]

Gingrich cannot beat Obama because he lacks support of women and independents. He would lose easily in the general. Romney may not be the ***** inducing Christian gay hating gun owner the fringe right want but he will win the independents over Obama.

 

[Excel]

I dont buy the polls, final prediction

1. Romney: 35%
2. Gingrich: 29%
3. Santorum: 22%
4. Paul: 15%

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I have said all along that I don't think South Carolina ultimately matters much. This is a fringe state, the one that started the Civil War. The key state all along has been Florida. It is the biggest swing state in the nation. That's where McCain sealed the nomination last time, and whoever wins it will win the nomination this time as well.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I dont buy the polls, final prediction

1. Romney: 35%
2. Gingrich: 29%
3. Santorum: 22%
4. Paul: 15%

Of course that's not accurate and probably made up to influence SC voters to vote for Romney....hell that don't even add up right. Like 101%....yeah right. I smell establishment & the MSM.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You must have not notice how independents/moderates are abandoning Obama.

But they'll go straight back to Obama if the Republican candidate is unacceptable. It's the case of choosing between the lesser of two evils.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You are full of assumptions, you have no proof, what so ever, that indicate that; just your hopeful feeling. In a debate with Gingrich, where Obama will be forced to defend his record, will remind Independents/Moderates just why they abandon him, Obama, in the first place.