The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[Blade Hoarder]

This movie would’ve bombed even harder with if they “celebrated” Snyder.

 

[Herolee10]

I remember the teaser from 2021 having a small introduction of Ezra saying that they couldn't show much back then because the CGI wasn't ready. Two years later and the CGI still isn't ready.

 

[super85]

Yeah, I mean the film should have come out earlier than it did. I doubt that it ever would have been any sort of monster hit., but I think it would have generated more interest if it would have come out sooner after the ZSJL had been released.

Now that is hard to do with constant regime changes and reshoots, sure, but WB got into this position of having several superhero movies in the pipeline that nobody really had any hype or interest in.

 

[squeekness]

Jurassic Park is 30 years old and still looks better than 90% of blockbusters today.

That is very true, sadly.

 

[DarkKnight]

If this has already been discussed forgive me.

But I feel another potential reason its performing poorly is due to the feeling and situation that many other fans such as myself are in....

What do I mean by that? The feeling of being drug through the mud emotionally, lied to, tricked, ups and downs etc.
Affleck and Henry are gone, Michael Keaton is back, Keaton getting other films, then Batgirl gets cancelled, then Gal is gone, but she returns for The Flash, Affleck is back, Henry is back, then Boom Henry is definitely gone, No flash appearance, Ezra's crazy breakdown etc. Just constant out and back and ups and downs.

Whether you're a Snyder fan or not, many of us have truly been emotionally beaten up by Warner Brothers and felt betrayed etc.

I LOVE Michael Keaton, both as Batman and many other of his films. I've supported DC when I've felt I'm one of the few people still supporting it.

But while I have felt excitement for the return of Keaton. Nothing else about this movie has really excited me and yet here I am.... I have still not been to see it. And I'm not so sure that I will see it. Not in theaters anyway.

Then of course, the fact that it really does not lead to anything with the James Gunn Reboot coming. What does it really matter anyway right? I'm not even sure If I'm excited about the reboot either. Will that change in the future? maybe.... maybe not.... I dont know. I dont like feeling this way but it just kind of is what it is for me at the moment.

Just my thoughts of course, but I do see others feeling this way as well.

 

[Frodo]

A divided and polarized fanbase , whether it be about The Snydeverse,
gettting rid of certain actors, rebooting ,debating the art vs artist in relation to the film etc,
certainly didn't help matters in terms of getting fans across the board , to get behind the film.

Fans like us are a pretty small piece of the pie at the end of the day.

But focusing on the fan side, alot of factors outside the scope of the film, didn't help in terms of rallying DC fandom .

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Whoops!

"The Flash" full movie leaked on Twitter, got 1.7 million views | The Financial Express

As per reports, the entire film was on the platform for 8 hours before it was taken down. The account that was suspected to be responsible for the leak also got suspended. Reports suggest that the tweet with the movie amassed around 1.7 million views before it was taken down. Further, according to the reports, the user who leaked the movie decided to do so on Sunday so that the concerned authorities could take their sweet time to take action.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Jurassic Park is 30 years old and still looks better than 90% of blockbusters today.

That’s because back then they CGI the T-Rex. Today they CGI the T-Rex, the cars, the scenery, the rain, the actors clothes, and Jeff Goldblum’s hair.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

There’s nothing wrong with 90% of the scene being CGI, if it’s actually good. See: Avatar.

 

[Filmfreak]

That’s because back then they CGI the T-Rex.

And even that was basically in a few scenes. The dinosaurs were mostly practical.

There’s nothing wrong with 90% of the scene being CGI, if it’s actually good. See: Avatar.

Avatar is the exception to the rule. Not every blockbuster has the luxury to take more than a decade of time to be made. Because that's how you make such a CGI heavy movie not look like cheap crap.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Karelia]

I just wanna see the behind the scenes documentary/deleted scenes. The digital usually doesn't come with that, does it?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Someone posted on another site that The Flash will make an absolute ton of money - once you add all the multiverse box office totals!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Question, if there's anyone here who has both seen The Flash and read DC's six-issue Batman '89 mini-series from a couple of years back...

Is there anything in The Flash that goes against those comics being considered canon? They were written by Sam Hamm, who had a hand in the writing of both Batman '89 and Batman Returns, and were intended to be a continuation of the Burtonverse. Like The Flash, they don't acknowledge Batman Forever or Batman & Robin. So would they work as occurring between Batman Returns and The Flash?

 

[kguillou]

We dont really learn a ton about what Keaton's been up to the past 30 years at all. Just that he kind of retired. But thats about it.

 

[super85]

Question, if there's anyone here who has both seen The Flash and read DC's six-issue Batman '89 mini-series from a couple of years back...

Is there anything in The Flash that goes against those comics being considered canon? They were written by Sam Hamm, who had a hand in the writing of both Batman '89 and Batman Returns, and were intended to be a continuation of the Burtonverse. Like The Flash, they don't acknowledge Batman Forever or Batman & Robin. So would they work as occurring between Batman Returns and The Flash?

I gave up on buying those comics after the second one since I my humble opinion was that they were trash. I kept looking at them cause a friend of mine had a digital subscription.

I dont think those comics had anything that really contradicts stuff since The Flash movie hardly deals with Keatons past. They don't mention stuff in detail really, besides the reason why he is kind of retired.

 

[flickchick85]

Question, if there's anyone here who has both seen The Flash and read DC's six-issue Batman '89 mini-series from a couple of years back...

Is there anything in The Flash that goes against those comics being considered canon? They were written by Sam Hamm, who had a hand in the writing of both Batman '89 and Batman Returns, and were intended to be a continuation of the Burtonverse. Like The Flash, they don't acknowledge Batman Forever or Batman & Robin. So would they work as occurring between Batman Returns and The Flash?

Again, Keaton was written as a "generic old Bruce" probably because the role was intended for any old Batman actor they could get, so there are basically zero specifics about his life after his movies included.

 

[Lily Adler]

Again, Keaton was written as a "generic old Bruce" probably because the role was intended for any old Batman actor they could get, so there are basically zero specifics about his life after his movies included.

Let's fill in the Easter eggs later.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I gave up on buying those comics after the second one since I my humble opinion was that they were trash. I kept looking at them cause a friend of mine had a digital subscription.

I dont think those comics had anything that really contradicts stuff since The Flash movie hardly deals with Keatons past. They don't mention stuff in detail really, besides the reason why he is kind of retired.

Again, Keaton was written as a "generic old Bruce" probably because the role was intended for any old Batman actor they could get, so there are basically zero specifics about his life after his movies included.

Thanks both. Yes, I've read the comics and I wasn't impressed. According to Jim Lee several creators had proposed comics set in the Burtonverse over the years. Hard to believe this was the one DC finally went with. A great opportunity squandered.

 

[mclay18]

I actually enjoyed large chunks of the movie, the main story bones are solid but there was a lot of filler (and Miller mugging as the unbearable younger Barry) to sit through. Miller had GREAT chemistry with Maribel Verdu as Barry's mom and that made the movie.

Visuals looked fine. VFX wasn't going to win any awards but it looked ok. I was expecting BAD going into the movie but it was adequate. Keaton and Calle did well for what they got.

Benjamin Wallfisch's score was FANTASTIC. He did musically what Michael Giacchino should've done for NWH, score-wise.

 

[kguillou]

I actually enjoyed large chunks of the movie, the main story bones are solid but there was a lot of filler (and Miller mugging as the unbearable younger Barry) to sit through. Miller had GREAT chemistry with Maribel Verdu as Barry's mom and that made the movie.

Visuals looked fine. VFX wasn't going to win any awards but it looked ok. I was expecting BAD going into the movie but it was adequate. Keaton and Calle did well for what they got.

Benjamin Wallfisch's score was FANTASTIC. He did musically what Michael Giacchino should've done for NWH, score-wise.

I actually really enjoyed Walfisch’s score as well, ive had it on constant rotation.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Thanks both. Yes, I've read the comics and I wasn't impressed. According to Jim Lee several creators had proposed comics set in the Burtonverse over the years. Hard to believe this was the one DC finally went with. A great opportunity squandered.

The Batman '89 comic was a real mixed bag. Clearly giving Sam Hamm creative control did it no favors. His ''voice'' was minor in the original film with his work being majorly rewritten by Warren Skaaren, Jonathan Gems and Charles McKeown. He was also, frankly, mishandling a creation that wasn't his in Pfeiffer's Selina Kyle.

I guess it just shows how vital Burton was in the creation of both movies. Revisiting this version of Batman should probably be avoided without his guiding hand.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I guess it just shows how vital Burton was in the creation of both movies.

The comic was definitely missing the Burton vibe. Gotham didn't even look like B89 Gotham (apart from one distance shot, as I recall).

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

What do we think the chances are that the Blu-ray will have the original ending (Keaton/Calle), after credits sequence (Affleck), and any cut cameos (Lynda Carter for one, apparently) included as extras?

 

[kguillou]

Absolutely no chance. Theyre just gonna crap this onto blu ray with barely any fanfare im sure.