The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[flickchick85]

I think it's two very simple things - 1.) it never appealed to casuals in the first place (seriously, I've told y'all multiple times how put-off my "casuals" family members were by the trailers), and 2.) the non-casual fanbase that it WOULD appeal to, didn't end up liking it. Certainly not enough to drive WOM/repeat views, anyway.

 

[kguillou]

I think it's two very simple things - 1.) it never appealed to casuals in the first place (seriously, I've told y'all multiple times how put-off my "casuals" family members were by the trailers), and 2.) the non-casual fanbase that it WOULD appeal to, didn't end up liking it. Certainly not enough to drive WOM/repeat views, anyway.

For sure thats the problem, the question though is who DID this appeal to during their extensive testing and research phase of multiple test screenings that supposedly scored super high notes on? Maybe the focus groups they used were more targeted than we think.

 

[Invader Joker]

For sure thats the problem, the question though is who DID this appeal to during their extensive testing and research phase of multiple test screenings that supposedly scored super high notes on? Maybe the focus groups they used were more targeted than we think.

My best guess is 30-40 year olds from LA that fanboyed hard over Keaton's return skewing the data to ridiculous proportions.

 

[kguillou]

My best guess is 30-40 year olds from LA that fanboyed hard over Keaton's return skewing the data to ridiculous proportions.

Bingo. Think you nailed it there.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think WB knew the VFX were so bad that by showing the movie early, those early audiences would think it was simply unfinished and give it a pass, getting the ball rolling on the good praise, which surely influenced subsequent early screenings for fanboys.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Flash looks like a steaming movie. There is nothing in it that justifies normies wanting to go to the movies to watch it.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Deadline:

Flash‘s running total at 10 days is pacing 2% behind that of Green Lantern‘s ($88.9M). That DC bomb, which starred Ryan Reynolds, posted a second weekend of $18M, -66% (also better than Flash). Black Adam finaled at $168.1M, Green Lantern ended its gross at $116.6M.

Looks like Green Lantern 2011 is finally of the hook as the biggest DC bomb.

 

[flickchick85]

I think WB knew the VFX were so bad that by showing the movie early, those early audiences would think it was simply unfinished and give it a pass, getting the ball rolling on the good praise, which surely influenced subsequent early screenings for fanboys.

Yeah I know I keep harping on about the grading curve that happens when you tell everyone the movie's "unfinished," but when the actual final product looks so unfinished that it's the thing that stands out most to the people who watch it, that WILL result in skewed test-screening results from people who assumed it will look great (or at least much better) when it's "done." Truth is, this movie's visuals are embarrassingly bad. And are so abundant as to be difficult to get past. Then there's the whole "we didn't have the proper ending" aspect to the test screenings that, once again, tricked that screening audience into thinking any issues they had would be resolved in the finished version. So of course those test audiences would be much kinder than the people who know they're watching the final product.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Looks like Green Lantern 2011 is finally of the hook as the biggest DC bomb.

Never thought a movie featuring the return of Michael Keaton as Batman would be the one to do that.

 

[Herolee10]

Never thought a movie featuring the return of Michael Keaton as Batman would be the one to do that.

Stranger things have happened. I never thought that the first movie with the Justice League would make less than a Thor movie.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

I hated it, and if this is what Marvel and DC think audiences want out of these movies then maybe I'm just over the live action adaptations.

Across the Spider-verse and My Adventures with Superman prove animation is King for these stories.

Edit: Of course The Batman exists but so long as they're not fully embracing that direction I stand by what I said.

 

[DyeLorean]

This could've played a part on opening weekend, but it has next to nothing to do with the second week drop. The second week drop is because people just hated the movie.

That's true.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Deadline:


Looks like Green Lantern 2011 is finally of the hook as the biggest DC bomb.

that’s just bad.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Flash looks like a steaming movie. There is nothing in it that justifies normies wanting to go to the movies to watch it.

They say casting is everything, and your lead who’s the entire emotional core of the film isn’t pulling people in either. It should’ve been a star making turn. Look at Chris Hemsworth for Thor. Or Chris Pratt for Guardians. Or even Gal Gadot for the original Wonder Woman.

 

[super85]

Since the film has both decent cgi and then really really awful CGI it felt jarring watching it. I still dont get why it looked that horrible at times. And No, I dont buy the directors excuse that it was "on purpose". I can buy it being a bit "Hypnotic" and unfocused at times when dealing with the speedforce, but I cant really accept characters looking like from the Polar Express or something.

Like was the reeshot stuff with actors so expensive that somebody just decided **** it when it came to the CGI effects? it looks like they just stopped polishing it. Like it was about 60% done and then everyone went home.

 

[DyeLorean]

The VFX houses are overworked. It has become a repeated issue in the last few years. There's has to be a change, is not good for anyone involved, not for the artists, not for the film, the moviegoers.

 

[super85]

Yeah, I know that VFX companies are overworked. And we have seen really awful cgi in the last few years in many movies. But this thing was in the making for years.

But this was at times very rough. Like superhero TV show rough.

 

[Predator jp]

Jurassic Park is 30 years old and still looks better than 90% of blockbusters today.

 

[samsnee]

The whole thing just leaked on twitter

 

[samsnee]

Jurassic Park is 30 years old and still looks better than 90% of blockbusters today.

Practical combined with cgi is the only way to go

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Jurassic Park is 30 years old and still looks better than 90% of blockbusters today.

I rewatched Terminator 2 a short while ago and thought exactly the same thing about that.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Across the Spider-verse and My Adventures with Superman prove animation is King for these stories.

There is absolutely no question for me that the average standard of DC animated movies taken as a whole far exceeds the average standard of DC live-action movies taken as a whole.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Watched a 2nd time, CGI aside, I don't think the movie is as bad as it's made out to be.

Am I only one that keeps thinking of the Adam Sandler movie Click "Menu" scene in the way this movie dealt with some of the time travel?

 

[Hurm...]

I think it's two very simple things - 1.) it never appealed to casuals in the first place (seriously, I've told y'all multiple times how put-off my "casuals" family members were by the trailers), and 2.) the non-casual fanbase that it WOULD appeal to, didn't end up liking it. Certainly not enough to drive WOM/repeat views, anyway.

I agree. Generally, casual audiences will be attracted to concepts with strong, simple central premises. When you require audiences to invest in an increasingly convoluted cinematic universe and stay "up-to-date" with new sequels to understand a film's central premise, you're going to have an uphill battle in engaging casual viewers.

It's funny. These superhero cinematic universe projects are now facing the same issue that the comic book industry faced and continues to face -- engaging uninitiated readers in new stories. That's exactly why the comics industry constantly reboots their brand, starting with new origins and backgrounds for their central characters so that audiences can engage in issue one. That was the idea behind the Ultimate universe as well.

Inevitably, this "reboot" will happen with the MCU to a certain extent. And this has already happened with DC by going from the DCEU to Gunn's DCU.

 

[DCDAVE]

The Flash movie had so many issues that kept it from being a success. First of all it was like the 5th multiverse movie that came out in the last two years. It didn’t help that a Spider-Man multiverse movie came out two weeks before. The Flashpoint concept was perfect for 2018 but not after Marvel has done it several times. It amazes me that DC stopped Darkseid because of Thanos but didn’t think of doing the same for the Flash when it comes to the multiverse. The movie really wasn’t a continuation of the Snyderverse but was more of the start Hamada’s plan to eliminate Superman/Batman and replace them with Supergirl/Batgirl. The movie would have been better off celebrating Snyder and leading to the DCU. The movie did neither.